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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 21, 2016 15:55:00 GMT -6
We had 2 players from our Defensive Line win state wrestling titles..Thought that was pretty cool. Our other kid wrestled too Click to see my pic. screencast.com/t/Xns3IZlnEYea , i know we are not in under..The nose is a Frosh
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Post by fantom on Feb 21, 2016 16:03:41 GMT -6
Congratulations. Our safety won at 145 and our LB was 5th at 182 in his first year wrestling.
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Post by blb on Feb 21, 2016 16:05:14 GMT -6
How much do they Squat?
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 21, 2016 16:54:55 GMT -6
LOL That is funny..They wrestled so we didn't test them...The right DE played at 185...couldn't gain weight..I have personally seen him eat 6 breakfast burritos..not McDonalds either....The Frosh looks like a man..seriously, his Dad told us he went out trick or treating with his friends and the houses wouldn't give him candy..He already is the strongest kid on the team..he will play H/Y for us too Our wrestling coach is AWESOME is a football guy all the way. he allows the football players 45 minutes with us a couple of days a week to lift..hey it helps him too
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Post by wingtol on Feb 21, 2016 17:39:54 GMT -6
Our nose wrestled at 160 and just got pinned by a qb we face who he sacked twice this past year. Gotta love HS sports!
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Post by 19delta on Feb 21, 2016 19:02:21 GMT -6
You can never have enough wrestlers. They are a breed apart, indeed!
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Post by raymul313 on Feb 21, 2016 20:33:28 GMT -6
My team's starting safety is the skinniest kid I have ever seen and he wrestles at 160 he's 6'2 and he does alright for himself as a wrestler...same may not be said for his FS play though lol
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 21, 2016 22:10:35 GMT -6
A cool thing... We just had our league finals (from here they move on to section and eventually state)
Our starting QB won league in his weight
So he has 2 league titles so far this year
He's also decent at tennis
I'm going to make a strong push for him as senior athlete of the year
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 21, 2016 22:27:39 GMT -6
We had 3 football players make our section semi finals, one champ. We had a fourth reach the semis, former football player.
Our HC and the wrestling coach both sell the other's program as much as possible because they both believe in the other.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 22, 2016 7:07:05 GMT -6
Haven't had state individual tournament yet but:
We won state title in wrestling for 4th straight year. Our heavyweight is the first athlete in our history to have won 5 state titles (4 wrestling/1 football).
We just had conference individual tournaments and all weight classes qualified for the state tournament. My football guys:
160 (DE) won conference and is returning state champ, 1st seed in states 170 (Saf) won 3rd in conference, 8th seed states 182 (DE) won 2nd in conference, 3rd seed states (he's a soph) 285 (OG) won 4th in conference, 9th seed in states
Love it.
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Post by coachmonkey on Feb 22, 2016 9:40:24 GMT -6
I need more wrestlers.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 22, 2016 10:29:22 GMT -6
In my experience, kids that wrestle for four years make some of the best football players.
I don't know that there's another sport that develops a kid better physically, emotionally or competitively.
The sport of obviously difficult physically which turns them into beasts but the emotional aspect of the sport is where I see them get the most out of it. There's soo much pressure on a kid when he's out there on the mat, competing against a guy one to one and EVERYONE is watching them. Kids that stick through wrestling are built out of iron by the time they hit their senior year; very little rattles them.
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Post by vanden48 on Feb 25, 2016 10:58:29 GMT -6
The only thing I don't like about football players wrestling is the obsession some wrestling coaches have with kids cutting weight. When you have a 165 lb Freshmen center that you would like to be 200 lbs as a sophomore slimming down to 142 for wrestling it is a little counter productive.
But I tell all the kids they are either wrestling, playing basketball, or in the weightroom. There is no 4th option if they want to play football.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 25, 2016 11:09:41 GMT -6
The only thing I don't like about football players wrestling is the obsession some wrestling coaches have with kids cutting weight. When you have a 165 lb Freshmen center that you would like to be 200 lbs as a sophomore slimming down to 142 for wrestling it is a little counter productive. But I tell all the kids they are either wrestling, playing basketball, or in the weightroom. There is no 4th option if they want to play football. It is counter productive, but it can be done. Cutting weight can be done properly, without being dehydrated, and without being catabolic. Like I posted- our wrestlers just won their 4th championship in a row- this team is NOT as talented as the ones in the past, but one MAJOR difference this year was that our football guys, other than the one senior that's not playing college football, barely cut any weight to wrestle. They all elected to wrestle closer to their natural weight. Our 182lb kid is also a DE. He naturally carries 170-173lbs during wrestling without cutting. During football he's maybe 180. They wanted him to go down to 160 but he said no. He got 2nd in the conference and 4th seed in the state tournament at 182. He feels great. He feels strong and never winded. He eats well and doesn't suck weight at all. Coach puts him at 182 and sometimes 195 and he holds his own. Same with the other 4 football guys wrestling- they didn't suck weight this year and they feel good! They are able to lift, get stronger and wrestle all while staying lean. Win-win for us!
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Post by bigdog2003 on Feb 25, 2016 11:44:23 GMT -6
I couldn't convince the football coaches at the school I was coaching wrestling at that it would help both our programs if they encouraged kids to come out. Only had a handful of football guys the 4 years I was there. 1 was a region champ and 2 time state qualifier, another didn't come out until his senior year and almost made state. I left that school because there was no support for the program.
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Post by mariner42 on Feb 25, 2016 12:51:52 GMT -6
The only thing I don't like about football players wrestling is the obsession some wrestling coaches have with kids cutting weight. When you have a 165 lb Freshmen center that you would like to be 200 lbs as a sophomore slimming down to 142 for wrestling it is a little counter productive. But I tell all the kids they are either wrestling, playing basketball, or in the weightroom. There is no 4th option if they want to play football. It is counter productive, but it can be done. Cutting weight can be done properly, without being dehydrated, and without being catabolic. Like I posted- our wrestlers just won their 4th championship in a row- this team is NOT as talented as the ones in the past, but one MAJOR difference this year was that our football guys, other than the one senior that's not playing college football, barely cut any weight to wrestle. They all elected to wrestle closer to their natural weight. Our 182lb kid is also a DE. He naturally carries 170-173lbs during wrestling without cutting. During football he's maybe 180. They wanted him to go down to 160 but he said no. He got 2nd in the conference and 4th seed in the state tournament at 182. He feels great. He feels strong and never winded. He eats well and doesn't suck weight at all. Coach puts him at 182 and sometimes 195 and he holds his own. Same with the other 4 football guys wrestling- they didn't suck weight this year and they feel good! They are able to lift, get stronger and wrestle all while staying lean. Win-win for us! Props for your guy for saying no to his coach, that's a scary proposition for a lot of kids.
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 25, 2016 13:11:10 GMT -6
That's why I don't like my guys wrestling too. I would love my players to wrestle, but our school's coach wanted our 220 pound sophomore guard to cut to 180. Yeah, I don't think so.
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Post by fantom on Feb 25, 2016 13:30:47 GMT -6
For a long time I wasn't a fan of our players wrestling because of the weight loss thing. We had a kid almost lose a scholarship over it. He played at 185 and could really run. He was an all state LB for us but he projected as a possible safety. The wrestling coach got him down to 160. Recruiters would come to watch him wrestle, see his emaciated a$$, and cross him off of their list. He did get a scholarship to a 1AA where he was a three year starter so it worked out but it definitely cut down his options.
Don't they have rules now to eliminate those drastic weight losses? Rules or not we do encourage our guys to wrestle now. We get along well with the wrestling coach and I think that he and our HC have an agreement about weight loss. It worked out for him because they won their first team district championship in school history and the first individual state champion, a football player.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 25, 2016 13:49:56 GMT -6
For a long time I wasn't a fan of our players wrestling because of the weight loss thing. We had a kid almost lose a scholarship over it. He played at 185 and could really run. He was an all state LB for us but he projected as a possible safety. The wrestling coach got him down to 160. Recruiters would come to watch him wrestle, see his emaciated a$$, and cross him off of their list. He did get a scholarship to a 1AA where he was a three year starter so it worked out but it definitely cut down his options. Don't they have rules now to eliminate those drastic weight losses? Rules or not we do encourage our guys to wrestle now. We get along well with the wrestling coach and I think that he and our HC have an agreement about weight loss. It worked out for him because they won their first team district championship in school history and the first individual state champion, a football player. They do- wrestling weight certification now involves bodyfat%. So that means my 200lb LB who is 12% BF could essentially cut to 7%BF and be 189lbs based on a 1.5% loss per week. But the fatter the kid, the more he can lose. If that same kid was 200lb but 17% body fat he could cut to 179lbs at 1.5% per week.
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 25, 2016 14:04:51 GMT -6
I wish we had wrestling.
Wrestling has more to do with me being the person I am today than football does. Take that for what you think it's worth.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 25, 2016 14:05:15 GMT -6
i have a lot of the same feelings as many of you
the sport of wrestling is great... kids are competing, there is no "hiding" on a wrestling mat... you kick his @ss or he kicks yours
build toughness, great for teaching leverage and body control
the problem is weight loss, and for some kids even weight maintenance kind of goes against everything that i want them to do in the off season... which is to GET BIGGER
we have a few real BIG kids... for them, weight loss would be great and i wish our bigger kids would wrestle... but some are too big... and who wants to practice and never get to play/compete
i never try to persuade a kid to not wrestle, but i also do not beg them to wrestle in the off season like i do with track
our wrestling program is way down too, so not a ton of kids want to do it... sad really, our school was a POWER HOUSE state champion level program back in the day
we typically have 1 or 2 kids per year who are good wrestlers and good football players
had a DE who went to state a few years ago a TE who went to state last year and our starting QB actually won the league title last week
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Post by raymul313 on Feb 25, 2016 16:01:25 GMT -6
I honestly feel wrestling coaches should allow football players to gain weight through the football programs strength program and just have the kids move up in weight class as a result.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 25, 2016 17:35:11 GMT -6
we actually had a big kid drop too much weight and he wasn't allowed to wrestle because he lost the weight too fast..he went from like 290 to 265 or something like that..
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Post by s73 on Feb 25, 2016 18:14:22 GMT -6
The only thing I don't like about football players wrestling is the obsession some wrestling coaches have with kids cutting weight. When you have a 165 lb Freshmen center that you would like to be 200 lbs as a sophomore slimming down to 142 for wrestling it is a little counter productive. But I tell all the kids they are either wrestling, playing basketball, or in the weightroom. There is no 4th option if they want to play football. In my experience, the wrestling coaches really count on FB for their numbers, so they tend to shy away from that stuff with us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 18:45:16 GMT -6
If the kid wrestling is a wrestler first and football player second, then let him cut to wherever he wants to be competitive. If he is a football player first and wrestling to get better at football, then let him wrestle his natural weight class.
Two things I hate that coaches say all of the time; football players need to get bigger and wrestlers gotta cut weight...both statements so untrue.
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 26, 2016 8:49:01 GMT -6
I don't necessarily think our guys need to get bigger, so much as I think they need to lift heavy and eat well which will naturally lead to them getting bigger. I definitely don't need my OL wearing trash bags to workouts and eating cabbage soup while spitting into Gatorade bottles during class.
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Post by fantom on Feb 26, 2016 9:05:31 GMT -6
Two things I hate that coaches say all of the time; football players need to get bigger and wrestlers gotta cut weight...both statements so untrue. What's wrong with getting bigger?
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Post by vanden48 on Feb 26, 2016 10:14:36 GMT -6
Our wrestling coach is all about football, but I think that is because all of his wrestlers are football players.
The last school I was at we had an OL that was over 400lbs as a freshmen. He joined wrestling just to lose weight and he dropped down to 285 his junior year and earned a D1 football scholarship. Only problem was that he was a little funny after he joined wrestling. He didn't seem to fit in with the football players and only hung around the wrestlers, who were strictly wrestlers. Wrestlers are a different breed all together in the first place, when they are pure wrestlers. And I don't like the hard work I put in during football season instilling character and values going out the window when tyhe wrestling weirdos get their hands on my best football players.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 10:21:16 GMT -6
Stronger, yes. More athletic, yes. So I guess there is nothing wrong with getting "bigger" if you do it right. You don't want athletes to add fat weight and hurt their movement. There is merit for getting "bigger" by adding muscle for sure.
Wrestling, if you do it without trying to cut and continue lifting throughout the season, you should be able to maintain your strength level and cut some of that nasty body fat!
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Post by coachcb on Feb 26, 2016 10:33:09 GMT -6
Around here, wrestling coaches are monitored very carefully to make sure they're not asking the kids to do anything unhealthy. They will do BF% tests (which are kind of unreliable..) and they won't let a kid cut any weight if he's at 8% or lower. And, they don't screw around with the good ol' methods of running around with four layers of clothes on with a trash bag under them...
I ended up quitting wrestling in HS because of this very issue. We didn't have these protocols in place and our wrestling coaches wanted me to cut from 210lbs down to 171lbs. I did it for ONE season, I was miserable, lost a considerable amount of strength and chose football over wrestling.
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