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Post by ccoomes16 on Feb 26, 2016 11:41:35 GMT -6
Our wrestling coach is all about football, but I think that is because all of his wrestlers are football players. The last school I was at we had an OL that was over 400lbs as a freshmen. He joined wrestling just to lose weight and he dropped down to 285 his junior year and earned a D1 football scholarship. Only problem was that he was a little funny after he joined wrestling. He didn't seem to fit in with the football players and only hung around the wrestlers, who were strictly wrestlers. Wrestlers are a different breed all together in the first place, when they are pure wrestlers. And I don't like the hard work I put in during football season instilling character and values going out the window when tyhe wrestling weirdos get their hands on my best football players. Not sure if you're serious about that last sentence or not...if you are (and I could be taking your statement wrong), that's pretty offensive.
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Post by blb on Feb 26, 2016 11:48:35 GMT -6
If "character and values" went "out the window" after Football season, had you really instilled them in your players if they couldn't carry them with them when they were no longer under your influence?
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Post by racehorse on Feb 28, 2016 17:53:36 GMT -6
In my experience, kids that wrestle for four years make some of the best football players. I don't know that there's another sport that develops a kid better physically, emotionally or competitively. The sport of obviously difficult physically which turns them into beasts but the emotional aspect of the sport is where I see them get the most out of it. There's soo much pressure on a kid when he's out there on the mat, competing against a guy one to one and EVERYONE is watching them. Kids that stick through wrestling are built out of iron by the time they hit their senior year; very little rattles them. Funny... You need to tell our football HC that. He is telling the football players that wrestling is bad and they need to just work with him.
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Post by racehorse on Feb 28, 2016 17:59:19 GMT -6
The only thing I don't like about football players wrestling is the obsession some wrestling coaches have with kids cutting weight. When you have a 165 lb Freshmen center that you would like to be 200 lbs as a sophomore slimming down to 142 for wrestling it is a little counter productive. But I tell all the kids they are either wrestling, playing basketball, or in the weightroom. There is no 4th option if they want to play football. It is counter productive, but it can be done. Cutting weight can be done properly, without being dehydrated, and without being catabolic. Like I posted- our wrestlers just won their 4th championship in a row- this team is NOT as talented as the ones in the past, but one MAJOR difference this year was that our football guys, other than the one senior that's not playing college football, barely cut any weight to wrestle. They all elected to wrestle closer to their natural weight. Our 182lb kid is also a DE. He naturally carries 170-173lbs during wrestling without cutting. During football he's maybe 180. They wanted him to go down to 160 but he said no. He got 2nd in the conference and 4th seed in the state tournament at 182. He feels great. He feels strong and never winded. He eats well and doesn't suck weight at all. Coach puts him at 182 and sometimes 195 and he holds his own. Same with the other 4 football guys wrestling- they didn't suck weight this year and they feel good! They are able to lift, get stronger and wrestle all while staying lean. Win-win for us! I'm the wrestling coach too, and I never make anyone lose weight. Sometimes you see the fat sliding off them through the 4 month season, but I have never picked a weight class for them. If someone wants to wrestle at 182 and another wrestler is there as well, the best one gets the matches. So be it.
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Post by raymul313 on Feb 28, 2016 23:37:41 GMT -6
It is counter productive, but it can be done. Cutting weight can be done properly, without being dehydrated, and without being catabolic. Like I posted- our wrestlers just won their 4th championship in a row- this team is NOT as talented as the ones in the past, but one MAJOR difference this year was that our football guys, other than the one senior that's not playing college football, barely cut any weight to wrestle. They all elected to wrestle closer to their natural weight. Our 182lb kid is also a DE. He naturally carries 170-173lbs during wrestling without cutting. During football he's maybe 180. They wanted him to go down to 160 but he said no. He got 2nd in the conference and 4th seed in the state tournament at 182. He feels great. He feels strong and never winded. He eats well and doesn't suck weight at all. Coach puts him at 182 and sometimes 195 and he holds his own. Same with the other 4 football guys wrestling- they didn't suck weight this year and they feel good! They are able to lift, get stronger and wrestle all while staying lean. Win-win for us! I'm the wrestling coach too, and I never make anyone lose weight. Sometimes you see the fat sliding off them through the 4 month season, but I have never picked a weight class for them. If someone wants to wrestle at 182 and another wrestler is there as well, the best one gets the matches. So be it. I don't get how your HC can see wrestling as a negative (the exception being the rapid weight loss which can result is loss of strength) you learn leverage which is important as anything to move/stall an opponent where they don't want to even if you're smaller
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Post by coachgunter on Mar 15, 2016 12:24:05 GMT -6
I have been a wrestling and football coach for the last 6 years. The relationship with the two when I was a kid in high school was a bit strained because both felt the other was bad for each other but several of us did both. In reality since my self and one of the other football coaches started with wrestling(We are the OC and QB/RB coaches) we have never seen better success with both sports. The kids that come in from football to wrestle become much more athletic, even he heavyweights. The theory that wrestling makes you lose all this weight is not a huge thing. The kids come in and through the constant conditioning of everyday practice they naturally lose weight and body fat. They become leaner and quicker with both their hands and feet. Footwork has improved dramatically in our linemen since many are now wrestling and the athleticism in all have increased. By that same token, all of the kids that wrestle are in the weight room all spring and summer with football and many of the kids that may never have played football have become huge components of both. The problem generally lies in, dare I say it??, coaches in both sports. Some just have a tried and true belief in their system is the only system and that leads to a lot of the issues.
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Post by s73 on Mar 15, 2016 14:51:04 GMT -6
I want all of our kids to do whatever sports they want (including wrestling).
The only issue I have w/ our current wrestling program is they are trying to make it a year round thing. They want to do camp 3X / week starting next week until wrestling season starts.
The last thing I want my guys doing is wrestling 6 hours a week on top of football practice. We have tried not to step on anybody's toes by closing our weight program in November and March to encourage Winter & Spring sport participation (don't want FB weights to be used as an excuse not to do something).
If we can get this part worked out then I'm all for wrestling.
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Post by coachphillip on Mar 15, 2016 15:52:47 GMT -6
coachgunter You're right. It is the coaches of one or both sports at a school that is the issue. I don't blame wrestling for my kids being pushed to lose fifty to sixty pounds. I blame their coaches. I don't dissuade my kids from wrestling, I encourage it. But, I'm quick to remind 220 pound Timmy that he isn't going to be wresting 170 this year, no matter what Sargeant Slaughter says.
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Post by coachgunter on Mar 15, 2016 18:56:04 GMT -6
Absolutely coachphillip. It's something that you have to walk a fine line with sometimes. I am not going to force a kid to suck weight just to hope he can do better at another class for himself or the team. If he can perform well and it comes off naturally it helps him and both sports. We still allow them to lift with the football team 3 days a week when football gets back in the weight room in January and it helps for both sports. We have one of the most successful programs in wrestling in the area, no local school has beaten us in several years. It's when we get to the schools that are year round programs that we see how much of a difference we are from them. We still compete well with them but can not always go toe to toe. We tell the kids after wrestling season that if they want to go to off season tournaments they can go and if they want us to coach them we will but we don't sign up as a team and we don't require any of that. This is luckily a better situation that we deal with than I know a lot of you guys deal with. Unfortunately it also has to do sometimes with the area you live in but we are lucky that we are in a great wrestling area and we can work it out with the two. It can be hard, especially with the ones that think they are the only program that matters but just remember we aren't multi million dollar contract guys, we coach the sports we love and hope we can teach the kids we coach love it the same as us. Don't get me wrong I love both sports and football is over wrestling but I am there for the kids in both sports, not for me
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Post by aatx on Mar 21, 2016 12:10:58 GMT -6
Our football players will wrestle JV and avoid the weight class issue. We just want them competing.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Mar 21, 2016 12:19:04 GMT -6
Our wrestling coach is all about football, but I think that is because all of his wrestlers are football players. The last school I was at we had an OL that was over 400lbs as a freshmen. He joined wrestling just to lose weight and he dropped down to 285 his junior year and earned a D1 football scholarship. Only problem was that he was a little funny after he joined wrestling. He didn't seem to fit in with the football players and only hung around the wrestlers, who were strictly wrestlers. Wrestlers are a different breed all together in the first place, when they are pure wrestlers. And I don't like the hard work I put in during football season instilling character and values going out the window when tyhe wrestling weirdos get their hands on my best football players. Absolutely! I love wrestling. I think it's great for kids and I think the toughness it builds is second to none, including football. However, I have to say that the wrestling culture has gotten very strange. Lots of weirdos out there who are strictly wrestlers.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Mar 21, 2016 22:21:15 GMT -6
I love this. We're trying to get it through to the kids that we have now that playing more sports HELPS you. Our school is finally starting up a wrestling program next school year so there shouldn't be many excuses for kids to be playing one sport. And, I will not count bass fishing, even though it is a school sport here.
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Post by tmtfootball on Mar 25, 2016 20:24:06 GMT -6
Wrestling in PA is starting to become a year round thing for all wrestlers and we have lost a couple football players because of it. They basically have become one sport athletes because they think that they have to wrestle year round.
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Post by soonerj355alan on Mar 26, 2016 20:45:44 GMT -6
Too many football coaches don't see the benefit of wrestling. They only focus on the weight and not being in the weight room year round. Unfortunately, some bad wrestling coaches do not help with this.
I have coached both for 15 years and have never had a kid that was hurt by wrestling but we also handled weight issues the right way. I am for kids competing as much as possible and think being in the weight room from December to August as being boring. Kids do get stronger in the weight room but unless it is done right, they may not get functionally stronger. A heavy bench and squat is great but not if you can't use it.
Had a defensive end get talked into coming out for wrestling as a junior by other wrestlers on football team. He won a lot of matches because he was very athletic and it helped his football immensely. Said he learned how to use his hands so much better for getting off blocks and credits wrestling for him breaking the sack record his senior year. Never would have without it. The head football coach did everything he could to talk him out of wrestling because he would lose too much weight. Funny thing is he lost bad weight and put good weight on after season. Did't stop him from being one of the strongest kids on the team. Just like any other thing we talk about on this site, bad coaches make these things issues, not good coaches.
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Post by beebe on Sept 9, 2016 6:32:01 GMT -6
I honestly feel wrestling coaches should allow football players to gain weight through the football programs strength program and just have the kids move up in weight class as a result.
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beebe
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Post by beebe on Sept 9, 2016 6:40:00 GMT -6
it is very difficult for anyone to gain weight during wrestling season....the cardio training really just doesn't allow for that to happen....however as a football and wrestling coach, I do not ask any of my wrestlers to cut weight. With the conditioning we do and the aerobic nature of the sport, most will lose fat weight, but I do love it if my football players can keep lifting throughout the season. I want them to have fun, and enjoy the sport.
As for wrestlers being weirdos, granted some are, but most are not. And as for your character instilling work you have done with your football players, don't you think wrestling coaches do the same? I know I do. Plus as many have stated on here, football players who wrestle for 4 years are just tougher and more confident as athletes than those who don't
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 9, 2016 7:15:02 GMT -6
We never really had issues with kids losing weight or dropping classes with our wrestling programs. Head Wrestling coach was pretty accommodating with our kids and vice versa. The only time it was an issue was when the kid chose to lose the weight himself but he would always be back at full strength and size by the time the football season rolled around again.
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