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Post by gambler00 on Feb 23, 2016 19:29:17 GMT -6
We handle warm ups with the kids jogging a lap and then they have about 5 min before we start practice to stretch warm up etc what they want /need to. We don't meet before practice so all the kids dress and go straight to the field. We do t start practice til after school is over so our kids do prepractice stuff until we all get out to the field. We believe games aren't won in warmups.
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Post by coachphillip on Feb 24, 2016 9:17:46 GMT -6
Things I've cut out:
Paper scout reports for the defense, huddling on defense, conditioning by means of gassers, walk through day before game, watching entire film as a staff, Saturday practices, punishment after practice for tardiness (I just start cutting immediately into playing time), defensive goal sheet, two a days, hell week, printing the entire paper play book for assistants, choosing defensive captain (defense decides, they already know who the captain is anyway), and that's all I can think of for now.
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Post by airraider on Feb 28, 2016 21:47:54 GMT -6
Coaches meetings... Other than the occasional need.. We text info..
Traditional conditioning... If it doesn't mimick something in the game we don't do it.. No need in fat guys running 40's.
Traditional pregame.. we head off to an undisclosed location.. We want the first time the see us to be when we are ready to play.. On the same hand, we want our guys focused on us and our prep.. Not goggling down on the other side of the field.
Kicking deep.. We either onside it or sky it.. If we don't have a guy to kick it in the endzone.. We ain't kicking it to the 10.
Keeping kids after school on game day.. We send them home.. Tell them to be back at a certain time.. I don't have time to baby sit..
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Post by raymul313 on Feb 28, 2016 23:11:55 GMT -6
Coaches meetings... Other than the occasional need.. We text info.. Traditional conditioning... If it doesn't mimick something in the game we don't do it.. No need in fat guys running 40's. Traditional pregame.. we head off to an undisclosed location.. We want the first time the see us to be when we are ready to play.. On the same hand, we want our guys focused on us and our prep.. Not goggling down on the other side of the field. Kicking deep.. We either onside it or sky it.. If we don't have a guy to kick it in the endzone.. We ain't kicking it to the 10. Keeping kids after school on game day.. We send them home.. Tell them to be back at a certain time.. I don't have time to baby sit.. What would you be keeping them after school on a game day for?
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Post by cwaltsmith on Feb 29, 2016 8:13:25 GMT -6
Coaches meetings... Other than the occasional need.. We text info.. Traditional conditioning... If it doesn't mimick something in the game we don't do it.. No need in fat guys running 40's. Traditional pregame.. we head off to an undisclosed location.. We want the first time the see us to be when we are ready to play.. On the same hand, we want our guys focused on us and our prep.. Not goggling down on the other side of the field. Kicking deep.. We either onside it or sky it.. If we don't have a guy to kick it in the endzone.. We ain't kicking it to the 10. Keeping kids after school on game day.. We send them home.. Tell them to be back at a certain time.. I don't have time to baby sit.. What would you be keeping them after school on a game day for? Ive kept them and let them go. Keeping them avoids missing bus, being late, having wreck, seeing girlfriend. If you keep them you have the expense of feeding, which isnt bad, but I have been at places that couldnt afford to do it.
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 29, 2016 8:22:45 GMT -6
Traditional pregame.. we head off to an undisclosed location.. We want the first time the see us to be when we are ready to play.. On the same hand, we want our guys focused on us and our prep.. Not goggling down on the other side of the field. I love this. I've always wanted to never come out to the field so the other team is left wondering what we looked like, why we weren't on the field..etc.
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Post by coachgrob on Feb 29, 2016 10:52:20 GMT -6
i know coach plaa got rid of practice pants in his program... they wear shorts and VB knee pads... awesome we scrapped Do you guys provide the VB knee pads??? Or make the kids buy them?
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Post by hsrose on Feb 29, 2016 12:21:41 GMT -6
VB knee pads - Our school/district policy is that anything that is required to be worn we must provide. 1 time. So when we get a new player, incoming Freshmen, transfer, whatever, we give them the 'player pack' that has a t-shirt, shorts, vb knee pads, and 5-pad girdle. The team/boosters pay for this because we can't have the players fundraise for gear that they have to have.
After that if they lose something, want additional gear, grow out of it, they are on the hook for purchasing it from the team store we setup with our primary vendor. The team store will have additional items they can purchase, but we don't use it as a fundraiser. Last year was our first year going to the shorts and knee pads and it worked really well. I think they wore practice pants 2-3 times all year. Much cooler, kids felt faster, lighter, etc.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 4, 2016 4:46:31 GMT -6
So what about dropping plays that over a 3-4 year period just don't seem to work? Let's say you have investigated and researched why, and have come to the conclusion it worked when Superman carried the ball behind the Incredible Hulk, but doesn't work as well or consistently anymore? What if said play(s) were considered to be "sacred cows" by many but the stats just don't add up?
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Post by coachklee on Mar 4, 2016 11:00:34 GMT -6
Pre-practice static stretching is bad, mmmkay. Thank you Mr. Mackey lol I should've been more specific and asked: What dynamic stretches/football related warm-ups are y'all doing and how is it being organized? We just put all of them (about 45 9th-12th) on the goalline and then they do 20 yards of each: -High Knees -Butt-Kickers -Karaoke -Shuffle -Side Lunges -Forward Lunges -1 Leg-Up T Toe Touches -1 Leg Knee Tucks / Pull-Ins -Punters (Kick 1 Leg Cross Body & touch toes with hand) We are fully stretched in about 5-8 minutes. We had no pulled muscles or other injuries related to not being “lose/stretched”.
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Post by dblwngr on Mar 4, 2016 11:02:23 GMT -6
So what about dropping plays that over a 3-4 year period just don't seem to work? Let's say you have investigated and researched why, and have come to the conclusion it worked when Superman carried the ball behind the Incredible Hulk, but doesn't work as well or consistently anymore? What if said play(s) were considered to be "sacred cows" by many but the stats just don't add up? Would like to see a thread on this topic all by itself. I can think of a few runs and passes we've dump over time. Sent from my SCH-R970 using proboards
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Post by coachklee on Mar 4, 2016 11:05:02 GMT -6
What would you be keeping them after school on a game day for? Ive kept them and let them go. Keeping them avoids missing bus, being late, having wreck, seeing girlfriend. If you keep them you have the expense of feeding, which isnt bad, but I have been at places that couldnt afford to do it. ...because I've found in general that teenagers are very good at finding dumb things to do (see above). Teenagers under supervision aren't much better, but then at least you are the voice of reason that ensures that they will be suited up for that night’s game healthy and on time.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on May 3, 2018 6:36:38 GMT -6
Looking over my bookmarked threads and thought this thread was well worthy of a bump.
My current staff has almost completely done away with summer football and I love it. We practice I think 6 times or so and we have a 1-day team camp mixed in with some 7v7’s. But that’s it. And damn, those practices/scrimmages are some of the best football we play. Are they perfect? Of course not. But our kids are always fresh, fired up, and bring a ton of energy.
We’re in a rural farming community, filled with a lot of do-it-yourselfers. A lot of our kids buy their own vehicles, make their own money, and will mostly go to the weight room without having to tell them. Our kids really enjoy being able to have a job, enjoy the summer, and sorta recharge. Of course we still lift, but that’s about the only football-related thing we do day-to-day in the summer.
This is a drastic change from my last stop. There, we were getting after it literally the day after school got out. Some days we would be at the school from 3:30 to 9 at night. Two meetings a day, weights at 5:30, etc. Our kids and coaches were burnt out by the time the first game even started. But that wasn’t necessarily “wrong”, it just fit better with the type of community we had (more affluent, reliant, grinder types).
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Post by okiepadokie on May 3, 2018 7:15:26 GMT -6
This is a great thread. I have cut out, like many others, live tackling and "toughness" drills. Early in my career, a kid broke his femur in the Oklahoma Drill which sealed the deal.
My favorite memory from this most current season is having community members and parents come up to me and talk about how great we tackle and that all that hitting and practicing is finally making our boys better tacklers......We practice tackling in a dummy-padded controlled environment maybe 15 minutes per week. Some weeks not even that, but the fun thing is our summer weight room attendance went from 12 in year one, to damn near every kid in the program by summer three which really reinforced my opinion on those "toughness" and "bad ass" builder drills......better and stronger athletes, who have confidence because of their gains, make better tacklers.
We are also trying to eliminate the "grind" nature of the game. A lot of people celebrate the grind, but there are times in my career where I have felt ground and tired and have not enjoyed myself as I should. We are all privileged to participate in HS athletics and so are kids. Trying to make football important, while maintaining personal balance, is something I have tried to make important each year. I have read many posts on the benefits of scaling back, and it is something I am continuing to evaluate and implement each year.
Hope this thread has a resurgence, there is a lot of great information here.
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Post by gators41 on May 3, 2018 10:24:54 GMT -6
Looking over my bookmarked threads and thought this thread was well worthy of a bump. My current staff has almost completely done away with summer football and I love it. We practice I think 6 times or so and we have a 1-day team camp mixed in with some 7v7’s. But that’s it. And damn, those practices/scrimmages are some of the best football we play. Are they perfect? Of course not. But our kids are always fresh, fired up, and bring a ton of energy. We’re in a rural farming community, filled with a lot of do-it-yourselfers. A lot of our kids buy their own vehicles, make their own money, and will mostly go to the weight room without having to tell them. Our kids really enjoy being able to have a job, enjoy the summer, and sorta recharge. Of course we still lift, but that’s about the only football-related thing we do day-to-day in the summer. This is a drastic change from my last stop. There, we were getting after it literally the day after school got out. Some days we would be at the school from 3:30 to 9 at night. Two meetings a day, weights at 5:30, etc. Our kids and coaches were burnt out by the time the first game even started. But that wasn’t necessarily “wrong”, it just fit better with the type of community we had (more affluent, reliant, grinder types). I would like to hear more about reducing summer. I have been a part of just some epic summer workouts, running, hours upon hours, and I am about sick of it. I know a few successful programs that have gone away from it
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Post by CoachSP on May 3, 2018 12:31:37 GMT -6
VB knee pads - Our school/district policy is that anything that is required to be worn we must provide. 1 time. So when we get a new player, incoming Freshmen, transfer, whatever, we give them the 'player pack' that has a t-shirt, shorts, vb knee pads, and 5-pad girdle. The team/boosters pay for this because we can't have the players fundraise for gear that they have to have. After that if they lose something, want additional gear, grow out of it, they are on the hook for purchasing it from the team store we setup with our primary vendor. The team store will have additional items they can purchase, but we don't use it as a fundraiser. Last year was our first year going to the shorts and knee pads and it worked really well. I think they wore practice pants 2-3 times all year. Much cooler, kids felt faster, lighter, etc. I'm assuming you mean volleyball knee pads? If so, is that enough protection? Is it allowed by the rules? Do yall wear regular football knee pads on Friday night or do you wear game pants over the VB knee pads? Sorry for all the questions. This is interesting to me.
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Post by CoachemUpKats on May 3, 2018 12:40:54 GMT -6
VB knee pads - Our school/district policy is that anything that is required to be worn we must provide. 1 time. So when we get a new player, incoming Freshmen, transfer, whatever, we give them the 'player pack' that has a t-shirt, shorts, vb knee pads, and 5-pad girdle. The team/boosters pay for this because we can't have the players fundraise for gear that they have to have. After that if they lose something, want additional gear, grow out of it, they are on the hook for purchasing it from the team store we setup with our primary vendor. The team store will have additional items they can purchase, but we don't use it as a fundraiser. Last year was our first year going to the shorts and knee pads and it worked really well. I think they wore practice pants 2-3 times all year. Much cooler, kids felt faster, lighter, etc. I'm assuming you mean volleyball knee pads? If so, is that enough protection? Is it allowed by the rules? Do yall wear regular football knee pads on Friday night or do you wear game pants over the VB knee pads? Sorry for all the questions. This is interesting to me. When we used volleyball knee pads, we just used them for practice and the kids wore shorts, made it a little cooler for the hot days. Friday nights we wore game pants with regular knee pads in, that were only used for games. We lost a lot less football knee pads those years.
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Post by Sonofahitch on May 8, 2018 11:13:16 GMT -6
we havent been in that exact situation in 4 years this past season our best bet percentage wise wouldve been to throw up a jumpball in the end zone we do work the kicking game a little, just to have it but just a few minutes a week we have a QB coming up from JV who is a really good kicker with him the next 3 years we will have the option to kick FGs if we absolutely need it but i will still go for 2... i think i am stealing points that way Do you have a series of plays from your 2 pt formation? Id like to learn what you do. That makes two of us. I'm all ears.
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Post by coachnichols on May 10, 2018 10:47:02 GMT -6
I'm assuming you mean volleyball knee pads? If so, is that enough protection? Is it allowed by the rules? Do yall wear regular football knee pads on Friday night or do you wear game pants over the VB knee pads? Sorry for all the questions. This is interesting to me. When we used volleyball knee pads, we just used them for practice and the kids wore shorts, made it a little cooler for the hot days. Friday nights we wore game pants with regular knee pads in, that were only used for games. We lost a lot less football knee pads those years. Another question for those of you that use or have used volleyball knee pads...I coached one year as an assistant with the HC who believed in these. Kids wore girdles under their shorts and VB pads in practice. I took over as head coach the next year and gave them away to volleyball players who needed them and we still practiced in girdles just without the knee pads. I didn't notice any issues other than the kids being happy not having to wear the knee pads, but I'm wondering if they have some sort of benefit. I'm planning on going without them at my new school but I'm wondering if I should reevaluate my decision. Any thoughts as to why they are needed?
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Post by fshamrock on May 10, 2018 10:51:28 GMT -6
Do you have a series of plays from your 2 pt formation? Id like to learn what you do. That makes two of us. I'm all ears. okay but do you still work on extra points ever? I mean what if you're playing the biggest game of the year and you score a touchdown in the waning seconds to tie the game? you marching out the offense to go for 2 or in that instance you bring out the kicker and hope he remembers how to do it?
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Post by eaglemountie on May 10, 2018 10:51:55 GMT -6
Some of the things we are doing this year:
Nothing in June. No weights, no running, no 7on7. Come back in July ready to go.
No 2-a-days.
No in-season practice over 2 hours.
No Sunday coaches meetings.
No punt return team, no fg/pat team, no punt team. Offense takes care of punt (quick kick) and Defense goes after every kick (no returns).
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Post by JoshC on May 10, 2018 11:38:09 GMT -6
This is a great thread. I have cut out, like many others, live tackling and "toughness" drills. Early in my career, a kid broke his femur in the Oklahoma Drill which sealed the deal. My favorite memory from this most current season is having community members and parents come up to me and talk about how great we tackle and that all that hitting and practicing is finally making our boys better tacklers......We practice tackling in a dummy-padded controlled environment maybe 15 minutes per week. Some weeks not even that, but the fun thing is our summer weight room attendance went from 12 in year one, to damn near every kid in the program by summer three which really reinforced my opinion on those "toughness" and "bad ass" builder drills......better and stronger athletes, who have confidence because of their gains, make better tacklers. We are also trying to eliminate the "grind" nature of the game. A lot of people celebrate the grind, but there are times in my career where I have felt ground and tired and have not enjoyed myself as I should. We are all privileged to participate in HS athletics and so are kids. Trying to make football important, while maintaining personal balance, is something I have tried to make important each year. I have read many posts on the benefits of scaling back, and it is something I am continuing to evaluate and implement each year. Hope this thread has a resurgence, there is a lot of great information here. I like where your going about scaling back at bit. I had the opportunity to listen to an old HC of mine speak in a clinic this year and he said something that just clicked. "We have our kids out there giving us their all for 2 hours a day. No more days of keeping players around for 3 hours anymore. They fly around, bust their tails for 2 hours, then they go home and focus on school and girls. I don't need them thinking about football all day everyday. That's my job. I want them thinking about football for 2 hours."Worked out well for him, as they won a state championship this past season. But it goes to show that less is more sometimes. We don't need to be knocking heads for hours and conditioning kids after practice. Fly around the field during practice and that's your conditioning.
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Post by junior6589 on May 10, 2018 11:45:16 GMT -6
For those HCs out there, what do your weekends look like if you play on Fridays? Our program brings our kids in on Sunday for lift/run/film after we've done the game plan for the week. So Sundays for our staff are 9-5 most times. I, personally, don't find much value in the Sunday for the kids because they have a tough time maintaining full attention, and we just really reinforce the game plan on Monday anyway. As an HC, someday hopefully, I'd probably scrap it.
Just wanted to see what you think about that.
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Post by planck on May 10, 2018 12:38:23 GMT -6
How are you guys getting by without whistles? Just hollering? I'd be OK with trying that out, although I'm consistently told I have a quiet voice (right up until I get mad, anyway).
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Post by hsrose on May 10, 2018 12:58:21 GMT -6
No punt return team, no fg/pat team, no punt team. Offense takes care of punt (quick kick) and Defense goes after every kick (no returns). I've looked at that approach. How does that go for you guys? Schematics? Any details? I need something to put on my whiteboard and get my purple and orange and brown pens working on. Thanks
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Post by eaglemountie on May 10, 2018 13:12:09 GMT -6
No punt return team, no fg/pat team, no punt team. Offense takes care of punt (quick kick) and Defense goes after every kick (no returns). I've looked at that approach. How does that go for you guys? Schematics? Any details? I need something to put on my whiteboard and get my purple and orange and brown pens working on. Thanks It worked well for us last year (lost in the state semis). Just kept the group we had out on the field and ran our schemes. Offense (UBSW) ran quick kick when we wanted to punt, we went for 2 when we scored, worked PAT/FG on Thursdays out of the same formation just added a wing on the opposite side. Defense we went after kicks and fair caught everything that was returnable but most punters in our area weren't able to kick us a returnable ball. Saved a ton of practice time. So really the only true "special teams" we had were KO and KOR/Hands Team.
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Post by Chief0934 on May 10, 2018 20:52:39 GMT -6
We cut out practice. We just show up on Friday and play.
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Post by sam11 on May 12, 2018 6:37:15 GMT -6
As a multiple gun option team I cut quick game out of our offensive package. Did not throw it enough the previous year.
We do zero 7 on 7
I cut out chutes for my offensive line. I truly believe they do not make players play lower. Instead, creates bending at the waist. Pad level is developed on the weight room and by having a great stance.
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Post by agap on May 12, 2018 12:30:33 GMT -6
I agree about special teams. A few years ago we basically stopped practicing punt block/return because we kept almost all defensive starters out there and tried to block it. We didn't need to rep it a lot because we used the same terminology from defense and they already knew what to do. We only practiced PAT/FG as a unit on Thursdays. We repped kickoff and punt less during the week; we didn't need to rep each for more than 15 minutes in a week.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on May 13, 2018 7:23:02 GMT -6
When we used volleyball knee pads, we just used them for practice and the kids wore shorts, made it a little cooler for the hot days. Friday nights we wore game pants with regular knee pads in, that were only used for games. We lost a lot less football knee pads those years. Another question for those of you that use or have used volleyball knee pads...I coached one year as an assistant with the HC who believed in these. Kids wore girdles under their shorts and VB pads in practice. I took over as head coach the next year and gave them away to volleyball players who needed them and we still practiced in girdles just without the knee pads. I didn't notice any issues other than the kids being happy not having to wear the knee pads, but I'm wondering if they have some sort of benefit. I'm planning on going without them at my new school but I'm wondering if I should reevaluate my decision. Any thoughts as to why they are needed? Coach I am with you on this.
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