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Post by coachbdud on Feb 11, 2016 16:54:16 GMT -6
unless your section votes in a contact period to start a little sooner then it can begin as early as late July
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Post by dblwngr on Feb 11, 2016 17:29:32 GMT -6
We may be getting rid of our defensive coordinator (me), if switching from the 33 to a 46 doesn't pan out - Long verbiage - Tough guy stuff - Tackling to the ground - 3 to 4 hour coaches meetings on Sundays, we get in and get out! Still waiting to cut out static stretching that follows our dynamic but we have one old school guy on staff that swears by it when done after dynamic.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 11, 2016 18:51:43 GMT -6
This just came to me... i am really curious what things have you gotten rid of as a football coach... i do not mean the old blocking bag you tossed in the trash i mean what things from the game, your playbook, coaching, drills have you just completely gotten rid of... i am guilty of seeing things offensively and thinking man i wanna run that too... we see this cool play, and that cool tag, and this cool blah blah blah... and we want to add it but i am more interested now in trimming the fat as much as possible. I think we waste a lot of time practice wise and during ST i want to start scrapping some things just curious as to things any of you have gotten rid of for example i know coach plaa got rid of practice pants in his program... they wear shorts and VB knee pads... awesome we scrapped some scrapped PAT... screw it , we are going for 2 every time... we just need to get more than half... and all that extra practice time on 2 pointers makes us a better team in GL/Red zone situations any ideas of how you have trimmed the fat would be awesome, id love to get a discussion going on it In short? Everything. With new blood and 0 returners, we have flipped our whole program. - practice philosophy. - offensive system - special teams system - removed 90% of our coverages. - got rid of alot of our 7 man pressures. It's going to be New and different. And i think I got the right guys to "buy in" and make it successful.
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Post by murdr on Feb 12, 2016 6:28:34 GMT -6
This is my first stop as a coach. When I was OL coach, the OC ran a zone scheme. That was the first thing I got rid of as an OC.
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Post by joris85 on Feb 15, 2016 5:45:21 GMT -6
This is my first stop as a coach. When I was OL coach, the OC ran a zone scheme. That was the first thing I got rid of as an OC. And now you run the facemelter instead? Not trying to be a d!ck, I'm just wondering why you got rid of it. If it is because you ran this on top of other schemes and you want to be good at fewer things, I get that. If the answer is "Because zoneblocking sµcks", you probably should think a little harder about why it "sµcks".
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Post by murdr on Feb 15, 2016 6:10:54 GMT -6
This is my first stop as a coach. When I was OL coach, the OC ran a zone scheme. That was the first thing I got rid of as an OC. And now you run the facemelter instead? Not trying to be a d!ck, I'm just wondering why you got rid of it. If it is because you ran this on top of other schemes and you want to be good at fewer things, I get that. If the answer is "Because zoneblocking sµcks", you probably should think a little harder about why it "sµcks". I never said it sucks. It's a fantastic scheme. I just know power blocking better.
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Post by CoachD on Feb 15, 2016 10:53:54 GMT -6
We never practice full pads. We are always shoulder pads helmets. We go full speed never take to the ground on purpose. Feel our kids go full speed consistently with out the pants. Not worrying about the heat as much mentally. We have great practices most of the time lol
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Post by georgefred86 on Feb 15, 2016 10:56:44 GMT -6
In 23 years of coaching we have gotten rid of ... Live tackling in practice (we did this long before it was a state rule) Playbooks for players In season practices lasting more than 2 hours Static stretching Walk throughs (we play a simulated game instead) Blocking sleds Two way players Long Sunday evening meetings (now meet at 11 and done by 4, at latest) Saturday morning run/lift/film (in season) Going to clinics every weekend in winter/early spring instead we meet weekly as a staff and/or meet with hs/college staffs Elected captains at beginning of the season Summer passing league practices Summer OL/DL summer skills & drills 5:45 am required offseason lifts 2x/wk for winter & spring sport athletes (sleep is way more important) No music (installed sound system on practice field 5 years ago) Standard punt formation Huddling on offense or defense Keeping attendance for strength & speed Having youth program run exact same system we run (more concerned about the proper teaching of fundamentals and keeping players jacked about the game of football) No practice pants Very little man & gap scheme
Bigger list than I expected.
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Post by joris85 on Feb 15, 2016 14:21:05 GMT -6
And now you run the facemelter instead? Not trying to be a d!ck, I'm just wondering why you got rid of it. If it is because you ran this on top of other schemes and you want to be good at fewer things, I get that. If the answer is "Because zoneblocking sµcks", you probably should think a little harder about why it "sµcks". I never said it sucks. It's a fantastic scheme. I just know power blocking better. I guess i made bad assumptions, sorry for that. Coach what you know best, good for you!
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Post by lakercl9 on Feb 16, 2016 8:51:07 GMT -6
Good Stuff here
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Post by coachgrob on Feb 16, 2016 10:10:53 GMT -6
Many of you have posted that you got rid of Saturdays. Do you just do game film Monday with team? How do you make this work?
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Post by fantom on Feb 16, 2016 10:16:05 GMT -6
Many of you have posted that you got rid of Saturdays. Do you just do game film Monday with team? How do you make this work? Monday for us is a light but fairly long day: Weights, game plan, light running, film.
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Post by vanden48 on Feb 16, 2016 10:26:17 GMT -6
I have coached with saturday practices and coached without them. I can tell you this, if you have a full staff, defensive and offensive staff, who is dedicated to the program, having a Saturday film session with the staff is extremely valuable for high schools. Bringing the players in presents two problems, one is what do you do about players that miss a saturday, and two does coming in saturday morning after a game burn them out. In college we would never watch film with the players the day after a game, they came in for injury treatment and that was it. Players watched film with their position coach after a team special teams session.
I am at a small school now with a very small part-time staff. I don't have the kids come in on saturday, I think they need the time off. I think with HUDL I can break down game film and share playlists with players and coaches and require them to watch the film on their own time. I can monitor their activity and see if they are watching or not and I will call them out on not watching film. I give the coaches some data that they need to enter for our opponents scout film, Down and Distance, hash, run/pass, ect. That way I don't have to train coaches on how to watch film and they can concentrate on entering small amounts of data and not get overwhelmed with weekend coaching work. These are guys that have other jobs and I understand that. Then they see the other team and they get their own perspective on what we will see and how we can attack it with out my influence. This gives me other ideas on how we should game plan.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 16, 2016 10:36:30 GMT -6
Many of you have posted that you got rid of Saturdays. Do you just do game film Monday with team? How do you make this work? Yes just film on Monday. How do we make it work? I don't know if we'd be able to do this without being 2 platoon players/coaches. Also, our Thursdays are not a walk through. We go as hard on Thursday as we do on Wednesday.
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Post by blb on Feb 16, 2016 10:52:59 GMT -6
Many of you have posted that you got rid of Saturdays. Do you just do game film Monday with team? How do you make this work? Monday for us is a light but fairly long day: Weights, game plan, light running, film.
When I was an assistant and my first year as HC we did Saturday mornings.
I realized I hated it so we stopped doing it. I had not had time to watch film yet before viewing it with kids because I wasn't going to watch it right after the game, that was debriefing-social time. So that wouldn't be very productive. And depending on result of previous night's game, I might still be hung over.
So we watched film as a team on Sunday evenings after coaches' meeting because I wanted a full practice (helmets and shoulder pads only) to begin game preparation, especially Defensively, on Monday.
The exception was at schools that prohibited school activities on the Sabbath. Then we would do film after school Monday and have a shortened practice plus lifting following.
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Feb 16, 2016 17:53:12 GMT -6
One of the main reasons we keep Saturday mornings is to keep the kids out of trouble
My hope is that by knowing we have to run, lift, and film at 8am they will make better decisions on Friday night after the game haha
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Post by fantom on Feb 16, 2016 18:07:40 GMT -6
Monday for us is a light but fairly long day: Weights, game plan, light running, film.
When I was an assistant and my first year as HC we did Saturday mornings.
I realized I hated it so we stopped doing it. I had not had time to watch film yet before viewing it with kids because I wasn't going to watch it right after the game, that was debriefing-social time. So that wouldn't be very productive. And depending on result of previous night's game, I might still be hung over.
So we watched film as a team on Sunday evenings after coaches' meeting because I wanted a full practice (helmets and shoulder pads only) to begin game preparation, especially Defensively, on Monday.
The exception was at schools that prohibited school activities on the Sabbath. Then we would do film after school Monday and have a shortened practice plus lifting following.
I don't like watching film on Saturday mornings because we like for the coaches to watch it together before we show it to the kids. In our state we can't bring them on Sunday so that leaves Monday.
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Post by silkyice on Feb 16, 2016 18:39:50 GMT -6
Not really sure why you have to watch as a staff before you watch with players. They either did it right or messed up on a play. Just make the corrections.
We do come in on Saturday mornings at 9am usually. We clean up the field house. It is always a wreck after games and I am not about to make them clean up after just playing a game. We go do a warmup and one light jog around the field. I believe that helps with soreness a little and helps you assess injuries a little bit better. Much better to know and start treatment on Sat morning than Monday afternoon. We then come in and watch film and eat Chick-fil-a biscuits and Krispy Kreme doughnuts and drink orange juice and milk.
Reasons to do it:
24 hour rule. We have 24 hours to enjoy the win and 24 hours to mourn a loss. If we wait until Monday to watch the film, we violate our own rule.
Keep Monday's practice from being so long, especially since JV's usually play that day.
Get them moving and warmed up.
Evaluate and treat injuries.
Clean field house.
Have them just concentrating on the next game by Monday.
Limit partying on Friday nights!!!!
If a kid can't make it, 100 yard bear crawl and watch film after Monday practice or early Monday morning.
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Post by lions23 on Feb 16, 2016 18:54:30 GMT -6
We watch about a half hour of it on Monday. We split up-I take all skills and HC takes all lineman. We watch in sequence so that've can talk about the momentum of the game as well as assignments and technique.
We check plays in hudl while we watch on Friday after game so if there is anything we must get to in film we can pull it from the playlist bc in a half hour we will not cover the entire film.
Then we spend 15 minutes on new opponent film scout and personal.
We spend about an hour at practice.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 16, 2016 19:14:22 GMT -6
Many of you have posted that you got rid of Saturdays. Do you just do game film Monday with team? How do you make this work? yeah we do film by playlists no reason to watch a whole game i do notes on film (both our own and scout film) we review our own game clips with notes and i review a short playlist of the opponent... 10-15 plays only the kids dont need to see 30 clips of the same defensive front and coverage i show a few fronts, any blitz i want them to see coverage and highlight any super stud we wanna avoid, or weak defender we wanna attack
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Post by mhs99 on Feb 16, 2016 19:34:58 GMT -6
Things we have shed: - Hitting, except for week 1 at the end of the week (we tackle a lot- locking up) - Any weekend practices (see Fantom) - Wind Sprints/Traditional Conditioning - Pursuit drill - PAT's the last 4 year (converted 73% of 2 point conversions) - A longtime line coach who did not buy in completely - Losing mentality - Read and react mentality defensively - Noting offensively- 21 personnel and punch you in the mouth mentality -
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 17, 2016 7:23:14 GMT -6
2 seasons ago we did Saturday morning film with the kids. I wanted the kids to watch it with the coaches as we grade it. The rule was that we watch it no more than 2x's per clip and we had a grading system where the kids had their own sheet and coaches would call out positives/negatives. It was REALLY well thought out, but we nixed it a few games into the season because it was taking entirely too long AND most of my kids adjusted their work schedules for Saturday- too many kids were missing.
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 17, 2016 9:54:28 GMT -6
We scrapped Saturday morning film for the following reasons 1. Kids have stuff going on. Some work. Some go see their other parent on weekends (divorced parents) some go out of town, some go camping/hunting/fishing (our town is an interesting mix of country folk and ghetto) 2. I always hated it because that early in the morning I've maybe had time to watch it once Let alone add positive and negative feedback Can't grade it yet Unless I run on just a couple hours of sleep Some teams like to just wing it and talk about stuff as it comes up but that's too unfocused for my taste You schedule it later in the day and it's a complete day ruiner... Both kids and coaches lose a whole day essentially I think this is one of those things that was necessary years ago, but with hudl... I can add notes when I have time Saturday, share them... And little Johnny can watch it on hudl on his iPhone while he takes a crap over he weekend It's not like "back in the day" where there was 1 scout tape, maybe you made a few copies and you were he only ones with the video... Kids needed to Come to you to get it It's 2016 I Easier ways to share information Shoot I can periscope myself grading the film if I wanted and all the kids can watch while getting stupid turnt
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 17, 2016 10:08:56 GMT -6
Non-Saturday guys:
I want to pitch this to the staff. I'm sold on cutting Saturdays but what do you do about...
Laundry-I've always started the laundry that night...soaking awful ones in a trashcan full of Biz/Tide/Water overnight and starting the uniforms that didn't get much play. Anyone soak all uniforms over the entire weekend and then have "trainers/managers" work on them on Monday while we lift/film/practice?
I'd like to turn at least one Saturday a month into a "Super Saturday" that would be a canoe trip, NCAA Game, tailgating party, paintball, bowling, whatever event that focused on just getting the guys together but for a different reason. I think hacking Saturdays all together will help get this done and will give kids more experiences.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 17, 2016 10:41:20 GMT -6
I'd like to turn at least one Saturday a month into a "Super Saturday" that would be a canoe trip, NCAA Game, tailgating party, paintball, bowling, whatever event that focused on just getting the guys together but for a different reason. I think hacking Saturdays all together will help get this done and will give kids more experiences. i love that idea! might steal it
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 17, 2016 10:52:20 GMT -6
Non-Saturday guys: I want to pitch this to the staff. I'm sold on cutting Saturdays but what do you do about... Laundry-I've always started the laundry that night...soaking awful ones in a trashcan full of Biz/Tide/Water overnight and starting the uniforms that didn't get much play. Anyone soak all uniforms over the entire weekend and then have "trainers/managers" work on them on Monday while we lift/film/practice? I'd like to turn at least one Saturday a month into a "Super Saturday" that would be a canoe trip, NCAA Game, tailgating party, paintball, bowling, whatever event that focused on just getting the guys together but for a different reason. I think hacking Saturdays all together will help get this done and will give kids more experiences. i/we don't do team laundry that is weird to me i guess
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 17, 2016 11:00:51 GMT -6
Non-Saturday guys: I want to pitch this to the staff. I'm sold on cutting Saturdays but what do you do about... Laundry-I've always started the laundry that night...soaking awful ones in a trashcan full of Biz/Tide/Water overnight and starting the uniforms that didn't get much play. Anyone soak all uniforms over the entire weekend and then have "trainers/managers" work on them on Monday while we lift/film/practice? I'd like to turn at least one Saturday a month into a "Super Saturday" that would be a canoe trip, NCAA Game, tailgating party, paintball, bowling, whatever event that focused on just getting the guys together but for a different reason. I think hacking Saturdays all together will help get this done and will give kids more experiences. i/we don't do team laundry that is weird to me i guess Congrats! I'm envious. lol In small town Indiana we collect laundry in two piles (nasty, less nasty) and then start the process of soaking nasty while we wash less nasty Friday night while the tech guys sync/upload the Hudl. Change over nasty to dryer on Fri night and finish on Sat morning throughout our work day on Saturday.
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Post by blb on Feb 17, 2016 11:05:36 GMT -6
If we didn't have people at school whose job it was to do laundry, kids did their own.
I did take scrimmage vests ('pinnies') home to wash though.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 17, 2016 11:44:20 GMT -6
i/we don't do team laundry that is weird to me i guess Congrats! I'm envious. lol In small town Indiana we collect laundry in two piles (nasty, less nasty) and then start the process of soaking nasty while we wash less nasty Friday night while the tech guys sync/upload the Hudl. Change over nasty to dryer on Fri night and finish on Sat morning throughout our work day on Saturday. We don't do laundry either. Used to- stayed past midnight on Friday nights to do them. It sucked...cuts into my beer drinking time. We have (within our school) a low-functioning special needs program, and I recruited that whole crew to do laundry and sort it. They (and their instructors) absolutely love it and do a great job! All practice gear the kids are responsible for cleaning regularly. No punishment for not cleaning them, but if they get destroyed then they buy us new ones.
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Post by pistolwhipped on Feb 17, 2016 11:46:00 GMT -6
Congrats! I'm envious. lol In small town Indiana we collect laundry in two piles (nasty, less nasty) and then start the process of soaking nasty while we wash less nasty Friday night while the tech guys sync/upload the Hudl. Change over nasty to dryer on Fri night and finish on Sat morning throughout our work day on Saturday. We don't do laundry either. Used to- stayed past midnight on Friday nights to do them. It sucked...cuts into my beer drinking time. We have (within our school) a low-functioning special needs program, and I recruited that whole crew to do laundry and sort it. They (and their instructors) absolutely love it and do a great job! All practice gear the kids are responsible for cleaning regularly. No punishment for not cleaning them, but if they get destroyed then they buy us new ones. So do you soak them until Monday? Thanks for the idea.
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