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Post by coachwoodall on Jan 1, 2016 15:10:35 GMT -6
Watching these ball games got me wondering; what game/team gave you some type of inspiration? Or maybe which one gave you something to chew on in your offseason study/planning/preparation?
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 1, 2016 15:52:36 GMT -6
Watching these ball games got me wondering; what game/team gave you some type of inspiration? Or maybe which one gave you something to chew on in your offseason study/planning/preparation? Well, obviously Baylor inspired me to realize that the I formation is inferior  In all seriousness the longer I am around the LESS excited bowl season is getting. It is just "different" than the regular season, and with that results are heavily influenced by which squads handle that difference better. All that said, YOu have to be impressed with Michigan and Harbaugh. That guy just wins EVERYWHERE he goes. Only two losing seasons (first two at Stanford) in his 12 year HC career. It would be interesting to learn more about how he runs an organization. |
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Post by wolverine55 on Jan 1, 2016 15:58:34 GMT -6
I liked a couple concepts Northwestern ran, although obviously the game as a whole didn't go well for them. I watch Baylor pretty closely all season, but I really wish I had DVRed that game once I got home that night and saw the stats! I agree with the sentiments on Harbaugh too. I'm not an I formation guy, but his thoughts on overall program management would be good to discuss!
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Post by coachg125 on Jan 1, 2016 18:24:48 GMT -6
Baylor, Houston and that one play Callaway ran for Florida where he had the TD.
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Post by coachg125 on Jan 1, 2016 18:26:27 GMT -6
I liked a couple concepts Northwestern ran, although obviously the game as a whole didn't go well for them. I watch Baylor pretty closely all season, but I really wish I had DVRed that game once I got home that night and saw the stats! I agree with the sentiments on Harbaugh too. I'm not an I formation guy, but his thoughts on overall program management would be good to discuss! Here you go: |
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Post by coachb23 on Jan 2, 2016 0:10:08 GMT -6
Michigan, Alabama's defense, Stanford's Christian McCaffrey and Clemson overall have been the most impressive to me so far. Still looking forward to Oregon vs TCU, and of course the national championship.
Bowl season, and to some extent college football period, has lost its luster to me because everyone is running the spread and there's not significant scheme differences from team to team. I miss the good ole days of a healthy mix of Wing-T, Pro I, Spread, and (my personal favorite) Flexbone. I guess I just like variety.
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Post by wamp19 on Jan 2, 2016 1:10:25 GMT -6
I liked a play that Notre Dame ran. It looked like power read. But instead of the qb being the dive phase he shoveled it to the tight end underneath. It appears at 1:24:15
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Post by Coach Bennett on Jan 2, 2016 8:11:31 GMT -6
With all the time teams have to prepare, I appreciate seeing the trick plays throughout bowl week. Stanford's backward pass to their Olineman was cool.
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 2, 2016 8:14:46 GMT -6
That's nifty - wonder if he's really reading the DE for give? Maybe just give or shovel?
Bowl season has been a little disappointing. I thought Stanford was really impressive. Iowa isn't as good as their record but they are tough and sound, and Stanford just eviscerated him. The McCaffrey kid is special and I like how they've evolved the offense to be more spread to use him, particularly in the passing game. (Stanford even scored on a zone read.)
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Post by raymul313 on Jan 2, 2016 8:24:39 GMT -6
Michigan, Alabama's defense, Stanford's Christian McCaffrey and Clemson overall have been the most impressive to me so far. Still looking forward to Oregon vs TCU, and of course the national championship. Bowl season, and to some extent college football period, has lost its luster to me because everyone is running the spread and there's not significant scheme differences from team to team. I miss the good ole days of a healthy mix of Wing-T, Pro I, Spread, and (my personal favorite) Flexbone. I guess I just like variety. I get bored with all of the spread also...though I liked how FSU & Miami mix in other alignments besides 2x2 & 3x1, they got into I formations & 2 TE looks |
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Post by blb on Jan 2, 2016 8:34:43 GMT -6
Bowl season, and to some extent college football period, has lost its luster to me because everyone is running the spread and there's not significant scheme differences from team to team. I miss the good ole days of a healthy mix of Wing-T, Pro I, Spread, and (my personal favorite) Flexbone. I guess I just like variety.
I feel that way too - Zone, Jet Sweep, Zone-Read, Bubble Screen, the occasional PAP deep ball all from Gun and-or Pistol, 3-5 WRs.
As an option coach I appreciate watching Navy and the like. It still amazes me more bottom tier P5s who have never been and never will be Bama, Ohio State, USC et al don't run option football to be more competitive.
As an old fart OL coach I like seeing teams that will run some Power football.
Let's face it, a lot of the "bowl" games - especially those before New Year's Eve - are just made-for-TV (ESPN) OOC games that with advent of playoffs will become more meaningless every year.
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Post by lochness on Jan 2, 2016 8:41:22 GMT -6
Bowl season, and to some extent college football period, has lost its luster to me because everyone is running the spread and there's not significant scheme differences from team to team. I miss the good ole days of a healthy mix of Wing-T, Pro I, Spread, and (my personal favorite) Flexbone. I guess I just like variety.
I feel that way too - Zone, Jet Sweep, Zone-Read, Bubble Screen, the occasional PAP deep ball all from Gun and-or Pistol, 3-5 WRs.
As an option coach I appreciate watching Navy and the like. It still amazes me more bottom tier P5s who have never been and never will be Bama, Ohio State, USC et al don't run option football to be more competitive.
As an old fart OL coach I like seeing teams that will run some Power football.
Let's face it, a lot of the "bowl" games - especially those before New Year's Eve - are just made-for-TV (ESPN) OOC games that with advent of playoffs will become more meaningless every year.
Right- nowadays I enjoy watching ANYTHING besides spread and pro style 1-back. It has gotten so dull and generic. I love watching the academy teams, Georgaia Tech, Stanford (although they've gotten away from their unique heavy/power looks this season) etc because they actually use a different way to move the football. |
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Post by raymul313 on Jan 2, 2016 8:46:09 GMT -6
Bowl season, and to some extent college football period, has lost its luster to me because everyone is running the spread and there's not significant scheme differences from team to team. I miss the good ole days of a healthy mix of Wing-T, Pro I, Spread, and (my personal favorite) Flexbone. I guess I just like variety.
I feel that way too - Zone, Jet Sweep, Zone-Read, Bubble Screen, the occasional PAP deep ball all from Gun and-or Pistol, 3-5 WRs.
As an option coach I appreciate watching Navy and the like. It still amazes me more bottom tier P5s who have never been and never will be Bama, Ohio State, USC et al don't run option football to be more competitive.
As an old fart OL coach I like seeing teams that will run some Power football.
Let's face it, a lot of the "bowl" games - especially those before New Year's Eve - are just made-for-TV (ESPN) OOC games that with advent of playoffs will become more meaningless every year.
Its okay I'm a young fart WR/DBs coach and I like power football XD |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 9:36:26 GMT -6
The spread mania is over done, burnt to a crisp. I have loved being able to start seeing thing, that I hadn't seen previously technique wise especially.scheme wise ain't bad either.
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Post by s73 on Jan 2, 2016 9:55:24 GMT -6
That'a a relief to hear from so many. I thought I was the only one to feel that way about the spread. Really tired of watching it. I have felt that way for YEARS. I really like watching teams run the ball. Used to be a big ND fan and then they fired Lou Holtz and I lost interest. Was also a BIG Nebraska fan and after Osbourne, they fired Solich and I lost interest as well (btw, they've never been the same since they went away from the "Osbourne tree").
Now about all I have left is the academies & GT. Not really interested in much else. CFB has kind of turn into the cookie cutter/ copy cat NFL where everybody runs the same stuff. That's why I thought the 49ers and the option was so fascinating back in 2012, but alas it didn't last.
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Post by rsmith627 on Jan 2, 2016 10:02:35 GMT -6
Spread is just a formation. I still think there is enough variation in it to make it worth watching.
With that said, even though we run a spread offense I would rather watch some of the power football teams.
I'm a Michigan State slappy but love some of the stuff Harbaugh is doing with a loaded backfield or multiple TEs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 10:10:37 GMT -6
Spread is just a formation. I still think there is enough variation in it to make it worth watching. With that said, even though we run a spread offense I would rather watch some of the power football teams. I'm a Michigan State slappy but love some of the stuff Harbaugh is doing with a loaded backfield or multiple TEs. I am a huge fb/te guy. I love watching jim harbaugh offense. Those element, fb/Y, make a spread that much more potent. |
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Post by s73 on Jan 2, 2016 10:21:25 GMT -6
Spread is just a formation. I still think there is enough variation in it to make it worth watching. With that said, even though we run a spread offense I would rather watch some of the power football teams. I'm a Michigan State slappy but love some of the stuff Harbaugh is doing with a loaded backfield or multiple TEs. I agree, but I think for expediency purposes it's easier to say "I'm sick of the spread" v. I'm sick of the quick pass, bubble, duck n' chuck my guys faster than your guy stuff. But I do agree that the spread has evolved and I really "liked" the option stuff that has been evolved from it, but again, it seems almost everyone now runs zone read, power read, etc. Just kind of nice to see a true downhill in your face running scheme once in a while. Or a GT in the Sugar Bowl last season run for 550 yards with old school triple and the wing t down. It was an interesting change of pace for me personally. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 10:30:33 GMT -6
Spread is just a formation. I still think there is enough variation in it to make it worth watching. With that said, even though we run a spread offense I would rather watch some of the power football teams. I'm a Michigan State slappy but love some of the stuff Harbaugh is doing with a loaded backfield or multiple TEs. I agree, but I think for expediency purposes it's easier to say "I'm sick of the spread" v. I'm sick of the quick pass, bubble, duck n' chuck my guys faster than your guy stuff. But I do agree that the spread has evolved and I really "liked" the option stuff that has been evolved from it, but again, it seems almost everyone now runs zone read, power read, etc. Just kind of nice to see a true downhill in your face running scheme once in a while. Or a GT in the Sugar Bowl last season run for 550 yards with old school triple and the wing t down. It was an interesting change of pace for me personally. The answer to everything is gun, 2x2, 3x1 and throw. Most predictable game on the planet. And worse its one read and take off and run. |
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Post by utchuckd on Jan 2, 2016 11:19:42 GMT -6
I turn total fan boy during bowls. Don't watch for this scheme or that scheme in general. Just love watching players make plays (hello LaQuon Treadwell). But I'll tell you what's frustrating is having a damn man in the backfield (like Jalen Hurd) and running him sideways from the gun looking for a cut instead of downhill from an under center set. That said, I'm enjoying bowl season.
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Post by s73 on Jan 2, 2016 11:59:00 GMT -6
I agree, but I think for expediency purposes it's easier to say "I'm sick of the spread" v. I'm sick of the quick pass, bubble, duck n' chuck my guys faster than your guy stuff. But I do agree that the spread has evolved and I really "liked" the option stuff that has been evolved from it, but again, it seems almost everyone now runs zone read, power read, etc. Just kind of nice to see a true downhill in your face running scheme once in a while. Or a GT in the Sugar Bowl last season run for 550 yards with old school triple and the wing t down. It was an interesting change of pace for me personally. The answer to everything is gun, 2x2, 3x1 and throw. Most predictable game on the planet. And worse its one read and take off and run. It was funny, after the Sugar Bowl last season somebody got on here and was talking about GT's success and how maybe now some major colleges might take a 2nd look at the flex bone if they wanted to get a program off the ground by maybe doing something different than what other schools are doing etc. Well, there was a BIG blowback by many of the spread guys on here (again, I know spread is a generic term and means many things). Anyhow, I had a big laugh. I had to chime in and say "Hey spread guys, can't we NON spread guys have ONE BOWL GAME ? LOL. It was actually pretty entertaining tbh. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jan 2, 2016 13:36:15 GMT -6
The answer to everything is gun, 2x2, 3x1 and throw. Most predictable game on the planet. And worse its one read and take off and run. It was funny, after the Sugar Bowl last season somebody got on here and was talking about GT's success and how maybe now some major colleges might take a 2nd look at the flex bone if they wanted to get a program off the ground by maybe doing something different than what other schools are doing etc. Well, there was a BIG blowback by many of the spread guys on here (again, I know spread is a generic term and means many things). Anyhow, I had a big laugh. I had to chime in and say "Hey spread guys, can't we NON spread guys have ONE BOWL GAME ? LOL. It was actually pretty entertaining tbh. I remember that thread. I love love love the Flexbone. Ran it for a year at a high school under a guy who formally coached at Navy. I learned more under that coach in one year about the game in general than I have in all other seasons combined. I don't think it'll ever catch on at the college level again because the athletes are evolving. They're bigger and faster than ever, and recruits just don't want to run that kind of offense. I know there are ways to get them the ball in the Flexbone as well, I just think as a coach on the recruiting trail that it's a tougher sell. |
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Post by s73 on Jan 2, 2016 14:16:13 GMT -6
It was funny, after the Sugar Bowl last season somebody got on here and was talking about GT's success and how maybe now some major colleges might take a 2nd look at the flex bone if they wanted to get a program off the ground by maybe doing something different than what other schools are doing etc. Well, there was a BIG blowback by many of the spread guys on here (again, I know spread is a generic term and means many things). Anyhow, I had a big laugh. I had to chime in and say "Hey spread guys, can't we NON spread guys have ONE BOWL GAME ? LOL. It was actually pretty entertaining tbh. I remember that thread. I love love love the Flexbone. Ran it for a year at a high school under a guy who formally coached at Navy. I learned more under that coach in one year about the game in general than I have in all other seasons combined. I don't think it'll ever catch on at the college level again because the athletes are evolving. They're bigger and faster than ever, and recruits just don't want to run that kind of offense. I know there are ways to get them the ball in the Flexbone as well, I just think as a coach on the recruiting trail that it's a tougher sell. I agree with you on that point. My point in bringing it up was just that I found it interesting and genuinely humorous when that thread came out that it devolved from a couple of hopeful flex bone guys like myself wanting to see more of it on TV to some spread guys (again in the generic sense) getting all fired up b/c they didn't understand the intention of the OP. The OP as I recall, was not implying that the flex was superior in anyway to anything else, just that it might be advantageous to run something unfamiliar at a new school b/c the unfamiliarity of the system, NOT the superiority of it might be an advantage v. their opponents. As I recall, my response to the thread was something akin to "Hey, spread guys, lighten up. Us non spread guys have to listen to the "inferior system everyday" and you guys get watch your stuff 3x a day every Saturday, can't you just throw us a bone here? Can't we dream? LOL. In reality though, I agree the flex is not "sexy" enough for the casual fan who would rather see the ball airborne rather than the intricacy of the flex. I just remember that thread cracking me up. |
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Post by 33coach on Jan 2, 2016 15:15:41 GMT -6
The Nebraska UCLA game gave me a few thoughts (being there was way too much fun)
1) 2-man snag is awesome
2) when you have "that kid" at fullback use him a lot.
3) a 1 route pass concept can be just as effective as a 5 route concept.
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Post by Defcord on Jan 2, 2016 18:35:25 GMT -6
The guy that really impressed me this year was Mike Leach. After losing to Portland State they played really good football concluding with a bowl win. That guy is one coach that just amazes me...interesting story,fun personality, and food football.
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Post by coachb23 on Jan 2, 2016 22:54:36 GMT -6
I'll tell you something else that annoys me. Wide Receivers seem like they get up calling for pass interference on EVERY single pass play. Granted some plays there is PI. But I'm talking about on plays that aren't even close to being PI, they get up wanting a flag. It's like their go to reaction on every play. It's ridiculous.
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Post by raymul313 on Jan 2, 2016 23:04:27 GMT -6
I'll tell you something else that annoys me. Wide Receivers seem like they get up calling for pass interference on EVERY single pass play. Granted some plays there is PI. But I'm talking about on plays that aren't even close to being PI, they get up wanting a flag. It's like their go to reaction on every play. It's ridiculous. It's equal to flopping in basketball and soccer/futbol |
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Post by fballcoachg on Jan 3, 2016 7:48:30 GMT -6
Talk about devolving, this thread really devolved in to a "I hate spread" thread.
I think there's plenty of variation in college football even within the same formations
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Post by raymul313 on Jan 3, 2016 8:00:35 GMT -6
I don't hate the spread, I dislike the fact it is becoming just about the only system of offense we see in the pros & collegiate football. There may only be 6 1000 yard rushers in the NFL this season (I know it's not much of a benchmark for a good runningback, but how many meh QBs will throw for 4,000 yards).
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Post by natenator on Jan 3, 2016 8:13:53 GMT -6
this thread really devolved in to a "I hate spread" thread. No it didn't. |
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