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Post by wolfden12 on Dec 26, 2015 11:31:08 GMT -6
This program has intrigued me for years. I am looking for any information/resources looking the offense defense, special teams, program, games etc. Does anyone have any insight into location of these resources or if they are available? I have looked online and several other sites and have come up dry. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 11:32:56 GMT -6
This program has intrigued me for years. I am looking for any information/resources looking the offense defense, special teams, program, games etc. Does anyone have any insight into location of these resources or if they are available? I have looked online and several other sites and have come up dry. Any help is greatly appreciated. Like most programs that are having that kind of success, it really has very little to do with x and o's and a whole lot more to do with infrastructure. |
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Post by wolfden12 on Dec 26, 2015 12:03:50 GMT -6
I agree. That is what is so intriguing to me. I mean, its North Dakota. What makes a program in a place like that with a coaching change and not skip a beat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 12:19:41 GMT -6
I agree. That is what is so intriguing to me. I mean, its North Dakota. What makes a program in a place like that with a coaching change and not skip a beat. while a different level play and different stature at their respective levels of play, Oregon, Boise State and ND have a lot in common |
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Post by CanyonCoach on Dec 28, 2015 21:04:49 GMT -6
Just got there invite to the spring coaches clinic on April 8-10. I have gone before and they are great about getting you on the field and seeing the drills/schemes up close and personal. Also have a couple of kids there right now and I can tell you that they don't leave anything to chance. It is detail orientated from the summer dietary guide to how each block is executed.
Strength of the Herd is the Bison and the strength of the Bison is the Herd. Hoping to get to Frisco this year and then head to San Antonio.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Dec 28, 2015 21:25:18 GMT -6
Doesn't championship videos have some of their stuff on DVDs to buy
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Post by spartan on Jan 8, 2016 18:56:32 GMT -6
Honestly as a NDSU ALUM this is Awesome thread. 3 things make this prrgram successful 1. money, 2. Simplistic schemes that maximize the talent from Chicago, Wisconsin Minnesota and the 1-2 kids from North Dakota. 3 development.
Kids stay 5 years. We have more championships then anyone and we got most of them running split back veer!
Also pretty sure will win the Big ten in 10 years!
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Post by biggus3 on Jan 8, 2016 20:01:39 GMT -6
I can tell you that as a high school coach from Minnesota, that the success seen there can be directly attributed to the gophers being god awful recruiters.
They can't land the few "4 and 5 star" guys from our state because they inevitably go to Norte dame, Wisconsin, or Ohio state because they can.. So they inevitably chase the 33rd best running back from the state of Texas or Florida , who is a criminal,can barely read and has no connection to the area and can't stand the fact that it sucks here in the winter.
Meanwhile, the "2 and 3 star" guys are told they are not good enough for big ten ball so they stay close to home, have a chip on their shoulder, and win championships.You are telling me that Mankato, university of st Thomas, Augustana, NDSU, and Minnesota Duluth all play high level football in their respective divisions and recruit Minnesota hard, and yet their top guys can't suit up for one of the worst teams in the big ten? Good for NDSU! I hope they do join the big ten and beat some gopher a$$. I saw their head coach speak at a clinic and he does things right way. They get a bunch of blue collar kids and they essentially just set up the framework for them to outwork everyone.
Furthermore, the gophers continually beg the public for money to upgrade facilities, carries more debt than almost any other D1 school in order to attract recruits, when in reality they are right here, you just have to build them up a bit. If they think that it's going to be handed to them with a bigger budget they are sorely mistaken.
Rant over!
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Post by coachgreen05 on Jan 8, 2016 20:07:12 GMT -6
So they inevitably chase the 33rd best running back from the state of Texas or Florida , who is a criminal,can barely read really? |
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Post by biggus3 on Jan 8, 2016 20:55:05 GMT -6
The gophers are notorious for skipping over quality instate "program guys." I coach at a school in the largest class in the Minneapolis area and have recommended multiple guys who I know given some time could have played in the big ten. All of them were outstanding workers with great character, grades etc. However they were all an inch short, or twenty pounds too light, but they all had the speed (which is the hardest quality to come by) and the drive to be there. I'm not saying they would be dominant, but they would definitely would be an asset. I wouldn't recommend them if they couldnt compete at that level because it hurts my crediblity and I hate blowing smoke up a 17 yo kid.
Most recently, a d end w/ a 4.0 GPA and had the height, strength and speed, but was only 235and had "short arms" was told he was a "tweener" and didnt have the hips for linebacker and didn't have the size for d line. So he ended up going to one of the aforementioned schools, redshirted, gained 50 lbs, didnt lose a step, and was the defensive player of the year in his conference by his rs freshmen year. Meanwhile, the kid who they brought in from Texas because they were "looking for lineman" and was allegedly ready to play right now failed and dropped out of school. I've talked to several of the coaches in my area and they have had similar experiences as well.
One of the kids from a school nearby, had a center that was probably the best hs football player I've ever seen from a technical aspect was not pursued by the gophers at all because he barely registered a star on rivals. The kid goes to a camp at Alabama and Saban tells him if you gain 25 pounds, you have a spot here. Well he did just that, and Saban held true to his word and offered him when he came back to camp the next year. He is like their utility interior lineman now who goes in whenever somebody goes down. I don't know how a kid like that ever leaves the state! He is way better than any of the kids they throw out there, especially with all the injury issues the gophers had on the line this year had this year.
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Post by jared10227 on Jan 8, 2016 22:15:18 GMT -6
As a high school coach in FL, who coaches a RB in the 20s (state ranking), who is being recruited by the Gophers....and not knowing much else about the University...I agree with the poster who made these claims.
It's happening
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Post by spartan on Jan 8, 2016 23:46:43 GMT -6
Recruiting aside I don't see NDSU playing your RPO SPREAD NO HUDDLE Sight adjustment offense. They play power football and some outside zone and short passing game and 4-4 defense. and they do it better then you. Athletes with simple responsibilities.
OH btw the JSU We comin!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 6:11:03 GMT -6
if you think the problem at Minnesota is about recruiting, you don't understand the problem. What I am about to say is no knock on any coach, but its about resources. Wisconsin has lost coach after coach for the same reason. YOu have to pay to play when it comes to resources. When you get coaches and their staff on the cheap, you get what you pay for. When you have a limited recruited, you get what you pay for. Half the big ten is doing what Minnesota is doing and it shows in bowl games when the other team shows up. Their is a reason OSU and UM are going to kill the big 10 over the next decade barring coaches leaving ncaa sanctions.
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Post by blb on Jan 9, 2016 8:13:34 GMT -6
if you think the problem at Minnesota is about recruiting, you don't understand the problem.
biggus is a HS coach in the Twin Cities area. jared has a player being recruited by Minnesota so has had contact with the staff.
Why would you presume to tell them they "don't understand the problem"?
Where do you coach? How familiar are you with the Minnesota program specifically (not Big Ten in general)? Have you had any dealings with their coaches?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 8:25:19 GMT -6
if you think the problem at Minnesota is about recruiting, you don't understand the problem.
biggus is a HS coach in the Twin Cities area. jared has a player being recruited by Minnesota so has had contact with the staff.
Why would you presume to tell them they "don't understand the problem"?
Where do you coach? How familiar are you with the Minnesota program specifically (not Big Ten in general)? Have you had any dealings with their coaches?
I am sure Biggus knows the coaching staff, and inner working great. Nothing against Biggus. the picture is much bigger than coaches at Minnesota. I do not special access to any program to understand why most programs are irrelevant. Coach Kill has done a great JOB with what he had been given. But the picture is much bigger than coach Kill. I am not knocking the coaches anywhere. They are doing whatever they have to do. But for a program like Minnesota to be relevant on the national stage, resources have to be given.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 9, 2016 10:18:28 GMT -6
biggus is a HS coach in the Twin Cities area. jared has a player being recruited by Minnesota so has had contact with the staff.
Why would you presume to tell them they "don't understand the problem"?
Where do you coach? How familiar are you with the Minnesota program specifically (not Big Ten in general)? Have you had any dealings with their coaches?
I am sure Biggus knows the coaching staff, and inner working great. Nothing against Biggus. the picture is much bigger than coaches at Minnesota. I do not special access to any program to understand why most programs are irrelevant. Coach Kill has done a great JOB with what he had been given. But the picture is much bigger than coach Kill. I am not knocking the coaches anywhere. They are doing whatever they have to do. But for a program like Minnesota to be relevant on the national stage, resources have to be given.
So... that's a no. You have little to any familiarity with Minnesota's program, just as you have little to no familiarity with the relationship/dynamic between Coach Saban and Coach Kiffin at Alabama, and you have no knowledge of the workings of the UGA program, nor the attitude of Kirby Smart. Bottom line, your comments are essentially your own thoughts and opinions on the matter but those opinions seemed to be formed without any knowledge of the situation, but rather just speculation. All that said, EVERY school needs to have resources to be relevant on the national stage in the current climate of college athletics. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 10:35:04 GMT -6
I am sure Biggus knows the coaching staff, and inner working great. Nothing against Biggus. the picture is much bigger than coaches at Minnesota. I do not special access to any program to understand why most programs are irrelevant. Coach Kill has done a great JOB with what he had been given. But the picture is much bigger than coach Kill. I am not knocking the coaches anywhere. They are doing whatever they have to do. But for a program like Minnesota to be relevant on the national stage, resources have to be given.
So... that's a no. You have little to any familiarity with Minnesota's program, just as you have little to no familiarity with the relationship/dynamic between Coach Saban and Coach Kiffin at Alabama, and you have no knowledge of the workings of the UGA program, nor the attitude of Kirby Smart. Bottom line, your comments are essentially your own thoughts and opinions on the matter but those opinions seemed to be formed without any knowledge of the situation, but rather just speculation. All that said, EVERY school needs to have resources to be relevant on the national stage in the current climate of college athletics. I love that you know everything. |
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Post by blb on Jan 9, 2016 14:23:26 GMT -6
I love that you know everything.
Actually, meshparker...as someone who has coached a long time and been on coachhuey.com for quite awhile -
your posts come across as if YOU know everything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 14:33:10 GMT -6
I clearly do not.
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Post by ndcoach on Jan 9, 2016 14:59:51 GMT -6
The gophers are notorious for skipping over quality instate "program guys." I coach at a school in the largest class in the Minneapolis area and have recommended multiple guys who I know given some time could have played in the big ten. All of them were outstanding workers with great character, grades etc. However they were all an inch short, or twenty pounds too light, but they all had the speed (which is the hardest quality to come by) and the drive to be there. I'm not saying they would be dominant, but they would definitely would be an asset. I wouldn't recommend them if they couldnt compete at that level because it hurts my crediblity and I hate blowing smoke up a 17 yo kid. Most recently, a d end w/ a 4.0 GPA and had the height, strength and speed, but was only 235and had "short arms" was told he was a "tweener" and didnt have the hips for linebacker and didn't have the size for d line. So he ended up going to one of the aforementioned schools, redshirted, gained 50 lbs, didnt lose a step, and was the defensive player of the year in his conference by his rs freshmen year. Meanwhile, the kid who they brought in from Texas because they were "looking for lineman" and was allegedly ready to play right now failed and dropped out of school. I've talked to several of the coaches in my area and they have had similar experiences as well. One of the kids from a school nearby, had a center that was probably the best hs football player I've ever seen from a technical aspect was not pursued by the gophers at all because he barely registered a star on rivals. The kid goes to a camp at Alabama and Saban tells him if you gain 25 pounds, you have a spot here. Well he did just that, and Saban held true to his word and offered him when he came back to camp the next year. He is like their utility interior lineman now who goes in whenever somebody goes down. I don't know how a kid like that ever leaves the state! He is way better than any of the kids they throw out there, especially with all the injury issues the gophers had on the line this year had this year. Look at John Crockett, Marcus Williams, and Billy Turner. All 3 are from the Twin Cities and were passed over by Minnesota. All 3 wound up at NDSU and now all 3 are in the NFL. Pretty much 3 great examples of exactly what you are saying. As a Bison fan though I hope Minnesota never changes. |
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Post by blb on Jan 9, 2016 15:03:45 GMT -6
Then word your posts that way and we'll all have better "give and take" here, which is what it should be about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 15:12:45 GMT -6
Then word your posts that way and we'll all have better "give and take" here, which is what it should be about.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 9, 2016 15:47:03 GMT -6
Then word your posts that way and we'll all have better "give and take" here, which is what it should be about.
Wonder if you know irony of that post. Dude-- irony is a post by you accusing others of sounding like a know it all. I dint claim to be, but in this case all I am doing is pointing out what YOU DON'T know |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 15:58:47 GMT -6
I have said openly and sincerely you two know everything. Smartest gentlemen I know.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 9, 2016 17:03:32 GMT -6
I think Kill had it going in the right direction. Program started to win some games and the new stadium helps. I think sometimes overlooked is the type of kid you are getting. I think programs look at these "rankings" and think this kid is going to light it up, but others factors arise and some just don't pan out. I am not saying you don't recruit these kids, but the Twin Cities is a unique place (weather) and if your from a warmer place it isn't always your bag of tea. I think a place like Minnesota has improved greatly in terms of the caliber of players they have gotten since the Glenn Mason era. They have recruited Ohio and Michigan well. I think if they identified there realistic needs and development they could take the next step. They obviously know more than myself otherwise I would be at that level. I just see it at our recruiting nights with D3 coaches coming off a 1-9 (consistently) and their first question is who are your D1 type kids. I almost laugh because it happens every year. I want to tell him seriously. No D1 kid is coming to your school. Your first question is who are your best program kids that can help us develop a culture and be all in. There is a reason you are 1-9 every year. Build up the program with guys who want to be there and success will come I believe. This will inevitably help you recruit better players as your record improves and you do not have a coaching change every 2-3 years.
Meshparker,
By the way, when you are speaking in regard to the "resources" just what is wrong with society and young people today. Not everything is going to be given to you. Not every job and situation in life is going to be peachy. You go to school, get job, marry a girl not based on resources all the time, but based on how comfortable are you there, do you mesh with the locals, is the scene(social) to your liking, do they have my major and is the program quality, is the job secure and less money over insecure and high money, do I work long hours with no personal time or do I work quality hours and have a life, is she smoking hot and makes great money or comes from money, but treats me like **** or is she less attractive, supportive, dependable and a "team" player.
blb put it best its not what you know its how it is received.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 17:35:55 GMT -6
I think Kill had it going in the right direction. Program started to win some games and the new stadium helps. I think sometimes overlooked is the type of kid you are getting. I think programs look at these "rankings" and think this kid is going to light it up, but others factors arise and some just don't pan out. I am not saying you don't recruit these kids, but the Twin Cities is a unique place (weather) and if your from a warmer place it isn't always your bag of tea. I think a place like Minnesota has improved greatly in terms of the caliber of players they have gotten since the Glenn Mason era. They have recruited Ohio and Michigan well. I think if they identified there realistic needs and development they could take the next step. They obviously know more than myself otherwise I would be at that level. I just see it at our recruiting nights with D3 coaches coming off a 1-9 (consistently) and their first question is who are your D1 type kids. I almost laugh because it happens every year. I want to tell him seriously. No D1 kid is coming to your school. Your first question is who are your best program kids that can help us develop a culture and be all in. There is a reason you are 1-9 every year. Build up the program with guys who want to be there and success will come I believe. This will inevitably help you recruit better players as your record improves and you do not have a coaching change every 2-3 years. Meshparker, By the way, when you are speaking in regard to the "resources" just what is wrong with society and young people today. Not everything is going to be given to you. Not every job and situation in life is going to be peachy. You go to school, get job, marry a girl not based on resources all the time, but based on how comfortable are you there, do you mesh with the locals, is the scene(social) to your liking, do they have my major and is the program quality, is the job secure and less money over insecure and high money, do I work long hours with no personal time or do I work quality hours and have a life, is she smoking hot and makes great money or comes from money, but treats me like **** or is she less attractive, supportive, dependable and a "team" player. blb put it best its not what you know its how it is received. It isn't about the coaches at places like Minnesota or Wisconsin. We coaches do what we do to the best of our ability. Kill did and has done a great job every where he has been. I will use your analogy: Minnesota wants to date the world class model ( go to rose bowl) while being the guy who flips burgers( low end coaches pay, low end recruiting budget, low end facilities). Um, Osu, Oregon, osu all have similar weather but don't seem to affected by it. |
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 9, 2016 17:39:06 GMT -6
I am not even going to comment on your response. As mentioned previously, you obviously are more concerned with ruffling feathers than looking at facts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 18:00:01 GMT -6
I have relatives in Minnesota. Kids should want to go to Minnesota. You can't match the people in Minnesota. Nicest people on earth. No reason for them to not be elite.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 9, 2016 18:49:24 GMT -6
Ok, so can someone please send me a list of all the underappreciated Minnesota kids in the class of 2016/17? Our last Minnesota kid has been a real treat and we'd like some more.
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Post by agap on Jan 9, 2016 22:39:59 GMT -6
Out of the top five draft prospects for the NFL from the Gophers, three were 2-star prospects and two were 3-star prospects. They had a three-star prospect drafted in the 2nd round last year and he didn't get offers from many of the top programs in college football. They will miss on prospects just like any other program will; but I'm pretty sure they know more than me and they know which recruits will fit their program and schemes.
NDSU hasn't won five national championships in a row because of how the Gophers recruit. This thread is about NDSU, not how the Gophers recruit.
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