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Post by mariner42 on Dec 10, 2015 23:27:07 GMT -6
I know the TCU coaches are very secretive and are very careful about letting anything about their defense get out. You'd have to be some kind of drum playing, Red Bull chugging football savant to be able to penetrate that layer of secrecy...
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Post by PIGSKIN11 on Dec 10, 2015 23:45:34 GMT -6
I know the TCU coaches are very secretive and are very careful about letting anything about their defense get out. You'd have to be some kind of drum playing, Red Bull chugging football savant to be able to penetrate that layer of secrecy... Sugar Free Red Bull hehe...
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Post by fantom on Dec 11, 2015 0:11:41 GMT -6
I know the TCU coaches are very secretive and are very careful about letting anything about their defense get out. You'd have to be some kind of drum playing, Red Bull chugging football savant to be able to penetrate that layer of secrecy... No. Just be known as somebody they can trust.
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Post by coachklee on Dec 11, 2015 5:41:17 GMT -6
I still think it's ridiculous the stuff that Light has gone through, including Auburn last year. He's a personal friend and has no bad intent. Just loves the game and breaking down what people do. There is no copyright on this crap. Not if it is game film that already is broadcast on television or streamed online that we (or anyone else) only turn around and watch for entertainment or educational reasons!
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Post by rsmith627 on Dec 11, 2015 6:04:20 GMT -6
I still think it's ridiculous the stuff that Light has gone through, including Auburn last year. He's a personal friend and has no bad intent. Just loves the game and breaking down what people do. There is no copyright on this crap. Not if it is game film that already is broadcast on television or streamed online that we (or anyone else) only turn around and watch for entertainment or educational reasons! Even if it's All 22 it's stupid for them to get bent out of shape. I coached for a guy that had coached at Navy and BYU. He had every game all of his opponents had played in going back several seasons. For a team like Auburn to get mad at Light for breaking down a couple of films is ludicrous. Their opponents have EVERYTHING on them that there is to have. For somebody to reach out and make him take down run and shoot resources is also pretty absurd. I don't care if people reprint my stuff as long as it is properly credited to me. SMU and Jones' name were all over those resources, and honestly there isn't really anything that anybody is doing out there that is super secret.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 7:00:54 GMT -6
Ibet it goes up on somebody's website, tone had with a fee.
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Post by wingtol on Dec 11, 2015 7:21:41 GMT -6
Couldn't u get some of the rns Lions oilers falcon stuff From the old tecmo super bowl video game or the old madden games? Aren't those suppose to pretty much be the actual playbooks? Or close.... And there is lots of mouse Davis videos out on the rns the big 3: Tiger Mouse Red had no issue sharing information on the shoot...its that second generation who seem to think everything they do is GOLD and must work so therefore they keep it secret.... (meanwhile their teams go 5-5, and they end up jobless) Was just thinking that same thing, are these guys even relevant anymore? Seems like they have faded off into the coaching sun set, it's not like someone just posted the Super Bowl game plan or something or the formula for cold fusion!
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Post by bigmoot on Dec 11, 2015 7:56:16 GMT -6
The Warren Commission released it over 50 years ago. His name's Lee Harvey Oswald. That's what "they" want you to believe... Area 51, Kennedy, Moonlanding, and now RNS...
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Post by coachphillip on Dec 11, 2015 8:57:28 GMT -6
I don't know if I read this correctly. June Jones shot JFK?
I do understand what fantom is arguing. I give stuff to guys and I tell them not to post any of it because I have competitors on the boards. Do I do anything different? No. Same old defensive stuff that other guys do. Any decent offensive guy can see what we are trying to do within a series or two. But, that doesn't mean I want them to know all my calls and signals either. I don't want to help them.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 11, 2015 9:48:27 GMT -6
I can see both sides of the argument. I don't think I could get too bent out of shape about All-22 film, but if somebody got their hands on our playbook and posted it on the Internet without asking I wouldn't be happy about it. Maybe not to the point of lawyers and stuff but it wouldn't make me happy.
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Post by Defcord on Dec 11, 2015 9:51:15 GMT -6
I can see both sides of the argument. I don't think I could get too bent out of shape about All-22 film, but if somebody got their hands on our playbook and posted it on the Internet without asking I wouldn't be happy about it. Maybe not too the point of lawyers and stuff but it wouldn't make me happy. I agree with this. I don't like that they contacted OP's employer and not him as well. That seems a little over the top.
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Post by oriolepower on Dec 11, 2015 9:59:45 GMT -6
Someone should probably make a conspiracy video and add it to all of the others on YouTube.
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Post by fantom on Dec 11, 2015 10:03:24 GMT -6
Someone should probably make a conspiracy video and add it to all of the others on YouTube. Might get on The History Channel.
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Post by fantom on Dec 11, 2015 10:05:26 GMT -6
I can see both sides of the argument. I don't think I could get too bent out of shape about All-22 film, but if somebody got their hands on our playbook and posted it on the Internet without asking I wouldn't be happy about it. Maybe not too the point of lawyers and stuff but it wouldn't make me happy. I agree with this. I don't like that they contacted OP's employer and not him as well. That seems a little over the top. I do think that that was over the top.
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Post by keysersoze on Dec 11, 2015 10:14:50 GMT -6
I had a friend who really tried to go all in w/ the RNS and brought in an SMU assistant coach to do a private clinic. The the SMU coach didn't know the protections and my friend couldn't find anyone to help him with him. Finally, he found a former line coach for Jones who said "f- it" and gave it all to my buddy. The story my friend heard was that the reason the RNS was a failure in the pros was due to the protections getting out and so Jones had become very protective of that info in particular.
Aren't the Navy coaches similarly secretive about what they do?
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Post by 33coach on Dec 11, 2015 10:16:37 GMT -6
I had a friend who really tried to go all in w/ the RNS and brought in an SMU assistant coach to do a private clinic. The the SMU coach didn't know the protections and my friend couldn't find anyone to help him with him. Finally, he found a former line coach for Jones who said "f- it" and gave it all to my buddy. The story my friend heard was that the reason the RNS was a failure in the pros was due to the protections getting out and so Jones had become very protective of that info in particular. Aren't the Navy coaches similarly secretive about what they do? if your offense takes some special protection more then "half slide right" - you have an failure in your system....
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 11, 2015 10:33:21 GMT -6
As I've always understood it, it would be nigh-Impossible to assert any intellectual property rights over a given football play, you wouldn't be able to establish that your idea was sufficiently new; anyone could easily show similarities between your play and many many others. The actual playbook itself would be covered though, with the specific drawings and such. However, barring an NDA I could just do my own drawings of your playbook and tell the whole world.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Dec 11, 2015 10:34:33 GMT -6
I think the failure would be no te/ fb for goalie situations when the field gets compressed Or those are no longer 50 de out there, they are actually lb/ss type guys that can run a bit
That's one reason why smash mouth ball had came back some imo
People have put smaller fast guys all over the field to stop the spread, but those guys really don't like to mix it up close to the l o s that well or take on big ole fullbacks.
Also I've seen a lot of air raid guys going back to the 2- back , 3 wide look, and blending some malazahn run game ( buck sweep) with it and some power with their rpos
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Post by philosopher0 on Dec 11, 2015 12:01:28 GMT -6
Red grange used a semi single wing set at the goal line.
The SMU playbook in question was base 10 personnel but also featured 11, 11+ (2 slots, 1 split end, 1 tight end, 1 superback), 20, and 21 personnel calls. It only showed alignments though from trips, doubles, and split slot. All from gun. Half with qb half roll, half drop back.
Not that I saw it or anything.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Dec 11, 2015 12:08:54 GMT -6
I was going off what I remember from the oilers , lions and falcons I remember the lions using a H- back a little
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Post by wingtol on Dec 11, 2015 13:32:19 GMT -6
I had a friend who really tried to go all in w/ the RNS and brought in an SMU assistant coach to do a private clinic. The the SMU coach didn't know the protections and my friend couldn't find anyone to help him with him. Finally, he found a former line coach for Jones who said "f- it" and gave it all to my buddy. The story my friend heard was that the reason the RNS was a failure in the pros was due to the protections getting out and so Jones had become very protective of that info in particular. Aren't the Navy coaches similarly secretive about what they do? if your offense takes some special protection more then "half slide right" - you have an failure in your system.... That boggles my mind as well. In a RS what do you have 5 OL plus a RB to protect? How crazy could it be? I mean do they like send their LT to the right side and have the Center block the DE or something LOL I mean I know it can get complicated and everyone has their own wrinkles but there are only so many ways to skin a cat. Sometimes I think guys try and make themselves seem a hell of a lot smarter than they are just to be the smartest guy in the room.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 11, 2015 14:19:22 GMT -6
Red grange used a semi single wing set at the goal line. The SMU playbook in question was base 10 personnel but also featured 11, 11+ (2 slots, 1 split end, 1 tight end, 1 superback), 20, and 21 personnel calls. It only showed alignments though from trips, doubles, and split slot. All from gun. Half with qb half roll, half drop back. Not that I saw it or anything. Red Grange used the single wing a lot when he was playing for the Illini 100 years ago.
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Post by philosopher0 on Dec 11, 2015 14:30:01 GMT -6
Red Faught* ROFL. My bad. Not talking about the halfback who challenged the NFL in 1926....
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Post by fantom on Dec 11, 2015 14:52:03 GMT -6
Red Faught* ROFL. My bad. Not talking about the halfback who challenged the NFL in 1926.... Didn't take much of a challenge given the fact that the fledgling NFL was in direct competition with college football and that a lot of college players picked up some spare cash by moonlighting under assumed names on Sundays.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 16:05:31 GMT -6
I can see both sides of the argument. I don't think I could get too bent out of shape about All-22 film, but if somebody got their hands on our playbook and posted it on the Internet without asking I wouldn't be happy about it. Maybe not too the point of lawyers and stuff but it wouldn't make me happy. I agree with this. I don't like that they contacted OP's employer and not him as well. That seems a little over the top. Way over the top!
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Post by philosopher0 on Dec 11, 2015 18:05:52 GMT -6
That sounds like a Jenkins thing. That's crazy. The funny thing is I just read some stuff that someone posted about him. How he breaks down the secondary into 5 looks. Shoot on one side and concept on another. He some how got ahold of Jones's clinic tapes he used while at Hawaii Tiger Ellison did that. I've never heard of June or Jenkins doing that, but to be fair, Jenks hasn't coached the shoot since the early 90s. Where did you read that?
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Post by morris on Dec 11, 2015 19:26:24 GMT -6
What u saw posted. He broke it down something like 1 high low corners 1 high loose corners 2 high low corners 2 high loose corners 4 across
Run a shoot concept on one side and a concept on the other. Use the concept to keep the drive going or come back to it. A guy who goes by Zach on dumcoach posted it. He has the clinic videos that were used at Hawaii. He won't trade or copy them and doesn't give out much info from them.
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Post by philosopher0 on Dec 11, 2015 21:46:13 GMT -6
The shoot is based on attacking leverages. Way back in the day they broke it down like that. Check the gamblers qb manual on footballxos.com under run and shoot. Coverages have become way more complex, they definitely don't do that anymore. Its all based on leverage and how keyed defenders respond. Palms, cover blue, banjo, and other coverages like that made that impossible and zone blitzes wouldn't be accounted for right. They did away with that system, the heavy motioning, and double slot in the early 90s and never went back.
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Post by philosopher0 on Dec 11, 2015 22:10:13 GMT -6
hemlock anything to add. I know you still lurk here...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 2:34:00 GMT -6
Aloha
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