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Post by mariner42 on Dec 8, 2015 12:07:51 GMT -6
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Post by eaglemountie on Dec 8, 2015 12:16:55 GMT -6
sigh...
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Post by hunhdisciple on Dec 8, 2015 12:18:58 GMT -6
So, basically eliminate football entirely.
I get there are risks and all that, and I would always encourage a player to put their health before the game, period.
But, I think this is too much. I don't know of any kids on our team who are truly forces to play. Maybe one or two every few years whose father played and he wants to live through his sons again. Most kids are playing because they enjoy some aspect of it.
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Post by olinedude on Dec 8, 2015 12:33:41 GMT -6
The rewards far outweigh the risks.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 8, 2015 12:40:14 GMT -6
Dumbest thing I have ever read! Give them a smartphone at 4 though.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Dec 8, 2015 12:43:42 GMT -6
I guess my question would be do we need to make kids wait until they're 18 to ride bikes, ski, snowboard, ride a dirtbike, bmx, play lacrosse, drive a car, climb a tree, or any other activity you can think of where they could suffer injury?
And the better question, that you know won't get addressed in the media, is there science that shows that kids playing football is actually detrimental to their health? As far as I know there has been one study done on high school players and how their health compared to the general public of their community as they got older, and the football playing population was in the same or better health as they got older than the non-football playing population.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 14:37:12 GMT -6
Safety is not, was never the end game for critics. It has always been to destroy the game. 18? Just come out and say it, you hate everything tackle football is about.
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Post by The Lunch Pail on Dec 8, 2015 16:06:28 GMT -6
It's completely ridiculous how the media is so biased on this topic. I read an article from the NY Times, literally titled "Don't let kids play football". I think it's about time that someone should shine some light on the other side of this debate.
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Post by chi5hi on Dec 8, 2015 20:02:35 GMT -6
There are silly people everywhere you look.
Do what we've always done...politely disregard them...then go outside and play.
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Post by WingTheT on Dec 9, 2015 10:49:33 GMT -6
Well, I guess I'll go ahead and turn in my headset. I will NOT become a flag football coach.....
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Post by eaglemountie on Dec 10, 2015 9:04:01 GMT -6
Well, I guess I'll go ahead and turn in my headset. I will NOT become a flag football coach..... Bingo.
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Post by oriolepower on Dec 10, 2015 9:20:04 GMT -6
I've been trying to find the article but can't locate it right now. Three of the fastest growing youth sports are Rugby, Lacrosse, and Mixed martial arts. When I read that I think the concussion Drs have more issues than football.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 5:47:22 GMT -6
My thoughts are that he has an upcoming movie to promote. The science is troublesome, but only a handful of researchers are really banging the CTE drum because of the notoriety and money it brings them when they do so.
Many of the anti-football articles seem to have been written by people with weird axes to grind against the game and all it represents in American society. I doubt they'll be happy until athletics as a whole are abolished or de-emphasized in schools.
Also, there was that study mentioned above that said former football players had, on average, healthier lives and better outcomes than the general population.
The idea of banning football but letting kids take up MMA is absurd. We can't just dismiss CTE, but as far as I know there hasn't been much comparison between football players and the general population. The same doctor has now found it in military veterans, hockey players, and cheerleaders (which have more injuries than football players) but there's no outcry to ban ROTC or those sports. I wonder if band kids might even have it from the sub concussive sound waves from drums...
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Post by brophy on Dec 11, 2015 6:08:06 GMT -6
Where would you play football if you didnt start until 18?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 6:13:40 GMT -6
Where would you play football if you didnt start until 18? Those sly football nazi
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 11, 2015 6:19:25 GMT -6
He is full of crap. Movie to promote.
People like that should go pound sand.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 6:30:24 GMT -6
Where would you play football if you didnt start until 18? Exactly. Seriously, your only choices would be college, semi-pro and club teams, ala rugby and roller derby in the US. College and NFL football is too big a part of our culture to go anywhere, so I could see a world where they recruit athletes from other sports and club teams to play. The idea of teams of freak athletes who don't even pick up the game or begin learning proper technique until 18 is terrifying.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 6:34:32 GMT -6
Where would you play football if you didnt start until 18? Exactly. Seriously, your only choices would be college, semi-pro and club teams, ala rugby and roller derby in the US. College and NFL football is too big a part of our culture to go anywhere, so I could see a world where they recruit athletes from other sports and club teams to play. The idea of teams of freak athletes who don't even pick up the game or begin learning proper technique until 18 is terrifying. The idea behind saying something like that is to end youth sports, remove sports from its current perch in our culture.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 6:39:34 GMT -6
Exactly. Seriously, your only choices would be college, semi-pro and club teams, ala rugby and roller derby in the US. College and NFL football is too big a part of our culture to go anywhere, so I could see a world where they recruit athletes from other sports and club teams to play. The idea of teams of freak athletes who don't even pick up the game or begin learning proper technique until 18 is terrifying. The idea behind saying something like that is to end youth sports, remove sports from its current perch in our culture. Exactly. What I'm saying is that, despite efforts to remove sports from our culture... sports are so ingrained that isn't going to happen, though efforts like this may cripple the youth levels. The idea that if the youth levels disappear, the big money leagues would die out is mistaken. MMA didn't have a nationwide feeder system until very recently and what feeder system they do have is completely outside of schools, yet that sport grew bigger and bigger because athletes would switch from other sports to compete there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 6:44:50 GMT -6
The idea behind saying something like that is to end youth sports, remove sports from its current perch in our culture. Exactly. What I'm saying is that, despite efforts to remove sports from our culture... sports are so ingrained that isn't going to happen, though efforts like this may cripple the youth levels. The idea that if the youth levels disappear, the big money leagues would die out is mistaken. MMA didn't have a nationwide feeder system until very recently and what feeder system they do have is completely outside of schools, yet that sport grew bigger and bigger because athletes would switch from other sports to compete there. I don think that is how they look at it. In their screwed up world view, they would then push for a ban, not just on football but all athletics. The push for 18 is just a stance to look reasonable. And if they get football the rest won't be far behind.
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Post by CS on Dec 11, 2015 6:49:30 GMT -6
Just another guy with an agenda. I wouldn't get my feathers ruffled over it because its just propaganda to up ticket sales. If anything the sport is becoming more popular and we will have to worry about club teams taking players from us before we have to worry about kids not playing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 7:29:46 GMT -6
Just another guy with an agenda. I wouldn't get my feathers ruffled over it because its just propaganda to up ticket sales. If anything the sport is becoming more popular and we will have to worry about club teams taking players from us before we have to worry about kids not playing. Losing kids to club teams is already a reality with AAU football and things like IMG Academy, which is a glorified club team with a school. What I could see happening in some places is school boards and some powerful parents getting so freaked out/stressed over rising insurance rates that they drop football, which then makes club teams the only option. HS Football, at least in our area, has been in decline for a while. Numbers are creeping downward just about everywhere, attendence is down, and local media are devoting less attention to it than they did 15-20 years ago. This is not good for us... but it also won't kill the game.
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Post by oriolepower on Dec 11, 2015 7:58:05 GMT -6
I don't mean to hijack the thread but has anyone else been getting the daily email that we should take our team to go see the concussion movie together.
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Post by brophy on Dec 11, 2015 8:47:04 GMT -6
for what its worth, we've dealt with all this before in the last 40 years....it was serious ligament damage (coming back from an ACL tear was unheard of 40 years ago), then it was spinal injuries, then it was dehyrdation, then it was heat stroke, then it was concussions, now it is long-term degenerative brain condition. I'm not saying this equal (because brain science is very young), but its not like this is anything the sport cannot overcome.
Also, to throw the 18 year old adult argument out there sounds more like absolving an organization of financial liability, rather than a rational plan to address issues in the sport.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 11, 2015 9:11:41 GMT -6
I know I talk to older guys today and they say things like my shoulder hurts all the time I shouldn't have played football! Same guy rode Motorcross for 25 years from the age of 7 and broke about every bone doing it.
It is just macho to say you have an old war(football) injury.
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Post by gibbs72 on Dec 11, 2015 11:17:02 GMT -6
I would like to be see a study that shows the effects of CTE on people who played up through high school (no college or pro) to see the correlation and the frequency of CTE. I understand the problem in the NFL with the size and speed of all the athletes involved. I just can't imagine CTE being a huge issue (high %) for athletes who compete until the end of high school only.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 11, 2015 11:28:54 GMT -6
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Post by brophy on Dec 11, 2015 11:38:07 GMT -6
I would like to be see a study that shows the effects of CTE on people who played up through high school (no college or pro) to see the correlation and the frequency of CTE. I understand the problem in the NFL with the size and speed of all the athletes involved. I just can't imagine CTE being a huge issue (high %) for athletes who compete until the end of high school only. This is the answer right here. We didnt have the technology until very recently to accurately study evidence of brain trauma unless it was an autopsy. The brain trauma (onset disease) is a precursor to CTE. Of a representative sample of HS players, how pervasive is the evidence of the disease? That would determine the scope of risk to give everyone an actionable decision. This is akin to saying McDonalds french fries give you butthole cancer. Okay, I believe you, but how many french fries do I have to eat to increase my butthole cancer risk?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 11:47:36 GMT -6
There's a huge difference between a 175 pound athlete that runs ~17 miles per hour and a 250 pound athlete that runs ~22 miles per hour.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 11, 2015 11:55:30 GMT -6
There's a huge difference between a 175 pound athlete that runs ~17 miles per hour and a 250 pound athlete that runs ~22 miles per hour. I assume you teach PHYSICS?? LOL!!!
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