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Post by mahonz on Sept 24, 2015 9:26:30 GMT -6
Wrong. There are 14 Billion reasons. Its called the Teachers Pension Debt and its bankrupting the system. Although I do agree with you on one point....its getting ugly for the public. Without turning this into a political debate or a discussion on class warfare..keep in mind the salaries some of the hedgefund managers and CEOs that caused the most recent economic melt down, which is greatly responsible for the devaluing of pensions worldwide. Also keep in mind that public school teachers either get ZERO or REDUCED Social Security benefits. Lastly, without crying a river, you need to recognize that the social contract between the public and teachers regarding benefits and retirement was set a long time ago, as it was realized that teaching, especially elementary school teaching requires a tremendous amount of energy not often found in older individuals. mahonz I know you aren't a teacher..so just some perspective. Several times you have posted comments complaining about all the benefits us "rich teachers" seem to get, and how the system is all screwed up, but your posts all seem to simply be stating some uniformed dogmatic "party line" so to speak by those who are trying to privatize education. In that way, your posts often parallel the posts of high school coaches who state uniformed, dogmatic claims that "youth football coaches need to answer to us" or blanket negative remarks regarding youth football and youth football coaches. Teachers deserve every penny of their Pensions. But the system is upside down right now and its crippling the State. You can lump in all Civil Servants in there. There has to be a solution but Im afraid that requires a total re-boot. My perspective in these Threads is meant to spark some friendly debate. I don't work for the Government. I don't like Big Government either and that is what Education is too me. It seems to me that if Education fell under the free enterprise umbrella things would improve for everyone. I could be way off base. I realize nothing is that simple. My Brother is a Professor at CSU....an institution the has been State run for over 100 years. They are working diligently to get off the State's Dole. They see the writing on the wall. Its going to take another 10 years.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 24, 2015 9:29:15 GMT -6
You couldn't be more wrong. Teaching is an honorable Profession. I have said that numerous times and that I am rooting for each and every one of you because you all make a living with in a system that is in quite a bit of trouble right now financially. Find one of my older posts to the contrary. You must have me confused with someone else. I'll be waiting for your apology. My Brother is a Teacher....my own Daughter......my Aunt is a retired Teacher....I Teach an Urban Planning Course every Winter at a local CC. My Contract pays me $1 as a means to keep Tuition costs down. Now I do ask some curious questions in these types of Threads....only because I do care about your Profession....and the future of your Profession. Plus I find it fascinating what some of you have to go through just to be a Teacher now a day. IMG may or may not have it right....but at least its another model to look at for the future. The current model seems broken. My problem is that most times that teaching as a profession or model comes up you turn it into a partisan union bashing opportunity or talk about how the education model is broken which generally isn't topical to this board, whether you support education as it stands or not. We try to avoid getting political here for a reason, it is controversial and people get pissed off no matter what side you land on. I don't even always disagree with your points, I just don't think this is the place for it. My apologies then. You are correct. These discussion are not what this great Forum is all about.
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Post by olinedude on Sept 24, 2015 10:12:15 GMT -6
I think a lot of you are missing one HUGE piece of the puzzle of IMG's academics. That is, motivation.
These are kids who are trying to go play in college, which means having good grades and being able to do well on the SAT and ACT. A lot of college athletes get a bad wrap for barely getting in, being dumb, etc. but across the board and in my experience the guys who really want to play college ball do fine in the classroom. At the very least they have accountability. For those of you who teach, can you really look up in your classrooms and say, "most of these kids really want to go to college and be successful?" I've got the so-called future rappers, 35 year old bartenders, night shift drive thru assistant managers, and val wilder plan college student in my classes who are more than content to just get by and hopefully avoid prison. Give me a bunch of kids who want to go be D1 athletes and I can almost promise that is a recipe for solid academics.
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Post by coachwoodall on Sept 24, 2015 20:22:51 GMT -6
You couldn't be more wrong. Teaching is an honorable Profession. I have said that numerous times and that I am rooting for each and every one of you because you all make a living with in a system that is in quite a bit of trouble right now financially. Find one of my older posts to the contrary. You must have me confused with someone else. I'll be waiting for your apology. My Brother is a Teacher....my own Daughter......my Aunt is a retired Teacher....I Teach an Urban Planning Course every Winter at a local CC. My Contract pays me $1 as a means to keep Tuition costs down. Now I do ask some curious questions in these types of Threads....only because I do care about your Profession....and the future of your Profession. Plus I find it fascinating what some of you have to go through just to be a Teacher now a day. IMG may or may not have it right....but at least its another model to look at for the future. The current model seems broken. My problem is that most times that teaching as a profession or model comes up you turn it into a partisan union bashing opportunity or talk about how the education model is broken which generally isn't topical to this board, whether you support education as it stands or not. We try to avoid getting political here for a reason, it is controversial and people get pissed off no matter what side you land on. I don't even always disagree with your points, I just don't think this is the place for it. As the current model of education is, this whole thread is rather 'political' in nature.
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