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Post by 33coach on Sept 23, 2015 10:07:11 GMT -6
see thats where i differ, i wouldnt. I wouldnt send my kid to a long term boarding school where they "might" get to be a normal kid when they come home for holidays if they are allowed to because year round training. sometimes, us coaches need to realize this is just a game.... Not going to disagree, but people have been sending their kids to boarding schools for a long time. Just look at Hogwarts LOL boarding schools for education i get (or wizardry!?!). boarding school for sports i dont.
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Post by jlenwood on Sept 23, 2015 11:00:13 GMT -6
"A school guide describes a typical day for athletes: Breakfast from 6:30 to 7:30 a.m. Three classes lasting 80 minutes each. Forty minutes of tutoring and preparation for standardized tests. Lunch. Training and conditioning from 1:30 to 5:30 p.m. Dinner. Another hour of available tutoring and a mandatory 90-minute study hall"To those who say the education is lost, let's compare to a day in the life of a kid from a typical public school, which is where I coach: -7:20 schools starts Classes where you are a high achieving student surrounded by kids who could care less about being disruptive or even graduating. But you better not separate the students, because that would be unfair to the dumb students. So a smart student has to learn in an environment where everything is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. -Now you get a crappy lunch the govt says is healthy, but nobody eats. -Back to class with more dumba$$es. -Schools out, now you put on your school supplied equipment that hasn't been upgraded for YEARS. And you strap on your helmet that is old technology, because it isn't in the budget to use the newest technology (helmets, classrooms sharing computers, text books....oops, forgot this was about football). -Go practice on a practice field that most farmers wouldn't drive a tractor on. Hope you don't roll an ankle or anything, because for a lot of schools there is no $$ in the budget for a trainer. .....you get the picture. Now, contrast that with the IMG school day and learning environment, as well as the athletic environment, and then stand back and wonder why anyone would want to be a part of that...seriously!? Let's be honest, if you had a son who had aspirations of PLAYING college ball (not just being on a team), and you had the means to do it, I think the majority of guys on here would be on board with a place like this. As a side note, and this is by no means scientific, but if a parent has $70k to send a kid to a school like this, they are probably a high achieving individual and that rubs off on the kid. That kid will be able to handle the being away from home more than not, as well as not being a part of the "local school" environment just fine. see thats where i differ, i wouldnt. I wouldnt send my kid to a long term boarding school where they "might" get to be a normal kid when they come home for holidays if they are allowed to because year round training. sometimes, us coaches need to realize this is just a game.... Although I might seem to contradict myself here, I wouldn't send my kid away either, albeit because none of my 3 kids were professional caliber athletes (although very good HS athletes). However, it is hard to just blast this place as "everything that is wrong with football" when in fact IMG has had some great successes in getting people ready for a professional career in sports IE: The Williams sisters. And as far as the OP's position, what about those public schools that pay their coaches over 100K to coach football, or have facilities that rival a small college. Have you seen the show on ESPN about Snoop Doggs kid and Gorman (I think that's the school) in Las Vegas. I think the only difference is that IMG has the guts to admit that they are a "for profit" organization. It just seems to me that there should be as much outrage thrown at the many public schools across the nation that throw such huge $$$'s at football, when in fact the money could probably really help the academics of the school. As a side note, I wish they would recruit heavy in my area.....less of an a$$ beating we would have to take if they took some of our opponents players!
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Post by coachcb on Sept 23, 2015 11:34:33 GMT -6
"A school guide describes a typical day for athletes: Breakfast from 6:30 to 7:30 a.m. Three classes lasting 80 minutes each. Forty minutes of tutoring and preparation for standardized tests. Lunch. Training and conditioning from 1:30 to 5:30 p.m. Dinner. Another hour of available tutoring and a mandatory 90-minute study hall"To those who say the education is lost, let's compare to a day in the life of a kid from a typical public school, which is where I coach: -7:20 schools starts Classes where you are a high achieving student surrounded by kids who could care less about being disruptive or even graduating. But you better not separate the students, because that would be unfair to the dumb students. So a smart student has to learn in an environment where everything is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. -Now you get a crappy lunch the govt says is healthy, but nobody eats. -Back to class with more dumba$$es. -Schools out, now you put on your school supplied equipment that hasn't been upgraded for YEARS. And you strap on your helmet that is old technology, because it isn't in the budget to use the newest technology (helmets, classrooms sharing computers, text books....oops, forgot this was about football). -Go practice on a practice field that most farmers wouldn't drive a tractor on. Hope you don't roll an ankle or anything, because for a lot of schools there is no $$ in the budget for a trainer. .....you get the picture. Now, contrast that with the IMG school day and learning environment, as well as the athletic environment, and then stand back and wonder why anyone would want to be a part of that...seriously!? Let's be honest, if you had a son who had aspirations of PLAYING college ball (not just being on a team), and you had the means to do it, I think the majority of guys on here would be on board with a place like this. As a side note, and this is by no means scientific, but if a parent has $70k to send a kid to a school like this, they are probably a high achieving individual and that rubs off on the kid. That kid will be able to handle the being away from home more than not, as well as not being a part of the "local school" environment just fine. You may very well be correct; this school might have good academic intentions. However, they are just that; INTENTIONS. You have to take into consideration the environment of the school; they are selling themselves as a sports academy. Thus, they are going to attract kids, parents, teachers, administrators (etc) that feel that athletics hold just as much importance as the classroom does. So, I would imagine that all of those fine "intentions" go right out the window after the first time they review their academic "policy" in home room.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 23, 2015 11:41:27 GMT -6
"A school guide describes a typical day for athletes: Breakfast from 6:30 to 7:30 a.m. Three classes lasting 80 minutes each. Forty minutes of tutoring and preparation for standardized tests. Lunch. Training and conditioning from 1:30 to 5:30 p.m. Dinner. Another hour of available tutoring and a mandatory 90-minute study hall"To those who say the education is lost, let's compare to a day in the life of a kid from a typical public school, which is where I coach: -7:20 schools starts Classes where you are a high achieving student surrounded by kids who could care less about being disruptive or even graduating. But you better not separate the students, because that would be unfair to the dumb students. So a smart student has to learn in an environment where everything is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. -Now you get a crappy lunch the govt says is healthy, but nobody eats. -Back to class with more dumba$$es. -Schools out, now you put on your school supplied equipment that hasn't been upgraded for YEARS. And you strap on your helmet that is old technology, because it isn't in the budget to use the newest technology (helmets, classrooms sharing computers, text books....oops, forgot this was about football). -Go practice on a practice field that most farmers wouldn't drive a tractor on. Hope you don't roll an ankle or anything, because for a lot of schools there is no $$ in the budget for a trainer. .....you get the picture. Now, contrast that with the IMG school day and learning environment, as well as the athletic environment, and then stand back and wonder why anyone would want to be a part of that...seriously!? Let's be honest, if you had a son who had aspirations of PLAYING college ball (not just being on a team), and you had the means to do it, I think the majority of guys on here would be on board with a place like this. As a side note, and this is by no means scientific, but if a parent has $70k to send a kid to a school like this, they are probably a high achieving individual and that rubs off on the kid. That kid will be able to handle the being away from home more than not, as well as not being a part of the "local school" environment just fine. You may very well be correct; this school might have good academic intentions. However, they are just that; INTENTIONS. You have to take into consideration the environment of the school; they are selling themselves as a sports academy. Thus, they are going to attract kids, parents, teachers, administrators (etc) that feel that athletics hold just as much importance as the classroom does. So, I would imagine that all of those fine "intentions" go right out the window after the first time they review their academic "policy" in home room. thats kind of my thought. and what happens when you send your kid their and he doesnt make it to the NFL - and has a crappy education because hes only done sports his whole life? i guess you call a lawyer and go the lawsuit route? now the funny thing is, id be ok with this if they classified it as a trade school - and you went there to learn the college / pro game including how to deal with press, public speaking, finance, media...etc and not a typical education. because at least then, they would be telling the truth.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 23, 2015 11:57:39 GMT -6
Disagree. At $70K per year....parents are not idiots. They are purchasing both an education and a specific "trade" for their kids. If that is not the situation....they will fail because the kids generally will not get into College without the grades. Its only ludicrous because its a different way of doing things....finally. mahonz Correct me if I am wrong, you primarily work with youth ball correct? I think you are drastically underestimating the idiocy of parents when it comes to things like this. Regarding being ludicrous--I don't think your reply made any sense. My point was if IMG is a school attended by students who were SPECIFICALLY brought to the school because of their athletic prowess, it seems rather silly for them to play schools attended by a cross section of the population. Then I misunderstood the gist of what you were saying. I agree that this school presents an unfair advantage for any of their opponents. At the same time I believe change is in order and it has to start somewhere. Im not looking at this as a Coach. I am a youth Coach. I am looking at this as a taxpayer that for the life of me cannot understand why my local Board of Educators cant make 2+2=4.....for the last 30 years. So...they have had plenty of opportunities. I live in the largest School District in the State. They have hacked away all MS Sports and are now beginning to drill into the HS Programs. Something has got to give.
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Post by jlenwood on Sept 23, 2015 12:01:10 GMT -6
You may very well be correct; this school might have good academic intentions. However, they are just that; INTENTIONS. You have to take into consideration the environment of the school; they are selling themselves as a sports academy. Thus, they are going to attract kids, parents, teachers, administrators (etc) that feel that athletics hold just as much importance as the classroom does. So, I would imagine that all of those fine "intentions" go right out the window after the first time they review their academic "policy" in home room. thats kind of my thought. and what happens when you send your kid their and he doesnt make it to the NFL - and has a crappy education because hes only done sports his whole life? i guess you call a lawyer and go the lawsuit route? now the funny thing is, id be ok with this if they classified it as a trade school - and you went there to learn the college / pro game including how to deal with press, public speaking, finance, media...etc and not a typical education. because at least then, they would be telling the truth. I don't know about a crappy education. I looked up their web site and it certainly looks pretty good to me.
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Post by indian1 on Sept 23, 2015 17:16:24 GMT -6
That is not true. You are making your statement on the assumption that the parents are making thoughtful rational choices based on their child's best developmental and academic needs. That is not necessarily the case. Bottom line, it is fairly ludicrous to even think that a school that is SPECIFICALLY CHARTERED to support kids for athletic excellence should ever compete against schools that are tasked with chore of educating the general public. Disagree. At $70K per year....parents are not idiots. They are purchasing both an education and a specific "trade" for their kids. If that is not the situation....they will fail because the kids generally will not get into College without the grades. Its only ludicrous because its a different way of doing things....finally. parents are not idiots.... yes. yes they are, and there are lots of them
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 23, 2015 17:45:50 GMT -6
Why is the assumption their education sux?
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 23, 2015 18:09:59 GMT -6
Im not looking at this as a Coach. I am a youth Coach. I am looking at this as a taxpayer that for the life of me cannot understand why my local Board of Educators cant make 2+2=4.....for the last 30 years. So...they have had plenty of opportunities. I live in the largest School District in the State. They have hacked away all MS Sports and are now beginning to drill into the HS Programs. Something has got to give. One reason...is because your local school board has to educate the public... the good, the BAD and THE UGLY.
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 23, 2015 18:25:24 GMT -6
My initial gut feeling when I look at the IMG academy website is to wonder if they have any job openings. Probably not. Most of us are posting against this school but I think if we are really honest with ourselves at the end of the day something like this would be our dream job.
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Post by fantom on Sept 23, 2015 18:35:33 GMT -6
Why send a kid there? If a kid is on IMG's radar he's on a lot of radars already. How many offers do you need? This strikes me a strictly an ego thing.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 23, 2015 18:46:19 GMT -6
Why send a kid there? If a kid is on IMG's radar he's on a lot of radars already. How many offers do you need? This strikes me a strictly an ego thing. To be honest though, I don't think someone goes to IMG to get a scholarship. That is probably a foregone conclusion. The kids that go there attend to presumably increase their chances at SUCCESS in college.
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Post by fantom on Sept 23, 2015 18:55:15 GMT -6
Why send a kid there? If a kid is on IMG's radar he's on a lot of radars already. How many offers do you need? This strikes me a strictly an ego thing. To be honest though, I don't think someone goes to IMG to get a scholarship. That is probably a foregone conclusion. The kids that go there attend to presumably increase their chances at SUCCESS in college. Athletically or academically?
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 23, 2015 19:03:45 GMT -6
To be honest though, I don't think someone goes to IMG to get a scholarship. That is probably a foregone conclusion. The kids that go there attend to presumably increase their chances at SUCCESS in college. Athletically or academically? Both most likely. One of the biggest hurdles college athletes face is the adjustment to the regimented and demanding college schedule.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 23, 2015 20:35:09 GMT -6
Athletically or academically? Both most likely. One of the biggest hurdles college athletes face is the adjustment to the regimented and demanding college schedule. I havnt heard of any IMG graduates going to play football for yale, harvard, MIT, Georgia Tech...etc..etc...etc Academics are probably on the back burner, they are looking to go to "championship" schools which are pretty lax in the grade requirments.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 23, 2015 21:32:34 GMT -6
Disagree. At $70K per year....parents are not idiots. They are purchasing both an education and a specific "trade" for their kids. If that is not the situation....they will fail because the kids generally will not get into College without the grades. Its only ludicrous because its a different way of doing things....finally. parents are not idiots.... yes. yes they are, and there are lots of them If a parent spends 3/4 of a million on their child's pre College education...some might consider that idiotic. I consider it...reminding the Educator who really signs their paychecks.
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Post by fantom on Sept 23, 2015 21:40:06 GMT -6
parents are not idiots.... yes. yes they are, and there are lots of them If a parent spends 3/4 of a million on their child's pre College education...some might consider that idiotic. I consider it...reminding the Educator who really signs their paychecks. Do you really think it's the education they're paying for?
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Post by mahonz on Sept 23, 2015 21:40:08 GMT -6
Im not looking at this as a Coach. I am a youth Coach. I am looking at this as a taxpayer that for the life of me cannot understand why my local Board of Educators cant make 2+2=4.....for the last 30 years. So...they have had plenty of opportunities. I live in the largest School District in the State. They have hacked away all MS Sports and are now beginning to drill into the HS Programs. Something has got to give. One reason...is because your local school board has to educate the public... the good, the BAD and THE UGLY. Wrong. There are 14 Billion reasons. Its called the Teachers Pension Debt and its bankrupting the system. Although I do agree with you on one point....its getting ugly for the public.
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Post by fantom on Sept 23, 2015 21:44:20 GMT -6
One reason...is because your local school board has to educate the public... the good, the BAD and THE UGLY. Wrong. There are 14 Billion reasons. Its called the Teachers Pension Debt and its bankrupting the system. Although I do agree with you on one point....its getting ugly for the public. {censored}. When the private schools have to take special ed kids, when they have to hire a deaf interpreter to shadow a kid, when a guy gets paid to push a wheelchair around the hallway, talk to me.
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Post by tothehouse on Sept 23, 2015 22:27:57 GMT -6
I'd like my kid go to the school he would normally attend. The school with all his friends. The school he can help make better. If he's good enough to play at the next level...he'll come out of the school that he was supposed to be at and bring some pride to our community.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 24, 2015 5:33:25 GMT -6
One reason...is because your local school board has to educate the public... the good, the BAD and THE UGLY. Wrong. There are 14 Billion reasons. Its called the Teachers Pension Debt and its bankrupting the system. Although I do agree with you on one point....its getting ugly for the public. Without turning this into a political debate or a discussion on class warfare..keep in mind the salaries some of the hedgefund managers and CEOs that caused the most recent economic melt down, which is greatly responsible for the devaluing of pensions worldwide. Also keep in mind that public school teachers either get ZERO or REDUCED Social Security benefits. Lastly, without crying a river, you need to recognize that the social contract between the public and teachers regarding benefits and retirement was set a long time ago, as it was realized that teaching, especially elementary school teaching requires a tremendous amount of energy not often found in older individuals. mahonz I know you aren't a teacher..so just some perspective. Several times you have posted comments complaining about all the benefits us "rich teachers" seem to get, and how the system is all screwed up, but your posts all seem to simply be stating some uniformed dogmatic "party line" so to speak by those who are trying to privatize education. In that way, your posts often parallel the posts of high school coaches who state uniformed, dogmatic claims that "youth football coaches need to answer to us" or blanket negative remarks regarding youth football and youth football coaches.
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 24, 2015 5:37:08 GMT -6
Wrong. There are 14 Billion reasons. Its called the Teachers Pension Debt and its bankrupting the system. Although I do agree with you on one point....its getting ugly for the public. Without turning this into a political debate or a discussion on class warfare..keep in mind the salaries some of the hedgefund managers and CEOs that caused the most recent economic melt down, which is greatly responsible for the devaluing of pensions worldwide. Also keep in mind that public school teachers either get ZERO or REDUCED Social Security benefits. mahonz I know you aren't a teacher..so just some perspective. Several times you have posted comments complaining about all the benefits us "rich teachers" seem to get, and how the system is all screwed up, but your posts all seem to simply be stating some uniformed dogmatic "party line" so to speak by those who are trying to privatize education. In that way, your posts often parallel the posts of high school coaches who state uniformed, dogmatic claims that "youth football coaches need to answer to us" or blanket negative remarks regarding youth football and youth football coaches. Don't waste your time arguing our education system with this guy. If you look at some of his older posts you'll see he clearly despises teachers and looks down on our entire profession.
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Post by silkyice on Sept 24, 2015 6:23:38 GMT -6
Both most likely. One of the biggest hurdles college athletes face is the adjustment to the regimented and demanding college schedule. I havnt heard of any IMG graduates going to play football for yale, harvard, MIT, Georgia Tech...etc..etc...etc Academics are probably on the back burner, they are looking to go to "championship" schools which are pretty lax in the grade requirments. Just because Harvard is top notch and a difficult school doesn't mean Ohio State, for instance, is easy. I really know nothing about IMG. But I would assume they are trying to get these kids to pass the NCAA requirements and get them ready for college academics whatever the level.
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Post by utchuckd on Sept 24, 2015 7:10:49 GMT -6
Is anybody's public school so good that they can question IMG's academics? This is a school who's express purpose is to put kids in college, why do we think they're education wouldn't prepare the students for that? How long do you think they last if they get kids scholarships but the kids can't get into school?
I don't say this to bash public schools or teachers. I'm not one, but I talk to enough that I understand all the {censored} y'all have to wade through and I wonder why anyone would do it (it's obviously not my calling).
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 24, 2015 9:12:17 GMT -6
My initial gut feeling when I look at the IMG academy website is to wonder if they have any job openings. Probably not. Most of us are posting against this school but I think if we are really honest with ourselves at the end of the day something like this would be our dream job. Except for the not being able to win a championship part. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards
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Post by mahonz on Sept 24, 2015 9:13:09 GMT -6
Without turning this into a political debate or a discussion on class warfare..keep in mind the salaries some of the hedgefund managers and CEOs that caused the most recent economic melt down, which is greatly responsible for the devaluing of pensions worldwide. Also keep in mind that public school teachers either get ZERO or REDUCED Social Security benefits. mahonz I know you aren't a teacher..so just some perspective. Several times you have posted comments complaining about all the benefits us "rich teachers" seem to get, and how the system is all screwed up, but your posts all seem to simply be stating some uniformed dogmatic "party line" so to speak by those who are trying to privatize education. In that way, your posts often parallel the posts of high school coaches who state uniformed, dogmatic claims that "youth football coaches need to answer to us" or blanket negative remarks regarding youth football and youth football coaches. Don't waste your time arguing our education system with this guy. If you look at some of his older posts you'll see he clearly despises teachers and looks down on our entire profession. You couldn't be more wrong. Teaching is an honorable Profession. I have said that numerous times and that I am rooting for each and every one of you because you all make a living with in a system that is in quite a bit of trouble right now financially. Find one of my older posts to the contrary. You must have me confused with someone else. I'll be waiting for your apology. My Brother is a Teacher....my own Daughter......my Aunt is a retired Teacher....I Teach an Urban Planning Course every Winter at a local CC. My Contract pays me $1 as a means to keep Tuition costs down. Now I do ask some curious questions in these types of Threads....only because I do care about your Profession....and the future of your Profession. Plus I find it fascinating what some of you have to go through just to be a Teacher now a day. IMG may or may not have it right....but at least its another model to look at for the future. The current model seems broken.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 24, 2015 9:14:39 GMT -6
Is anybody's public school so good that they can question IMG's academics? This is a school who's express purpose is to put kids in college, why do we think they're education wouldn't prepare the students for that? How long do you think they last if they get kids scholarships but the kids can't get into school? I don't say this to bash public schools or teachers. I'm not one, but I talk to enough that I understand all the {censored} y'all have to wade through and I wonder why anyone would do it (it's obviously not my calling). the last HS i coached at was a small Div 5 Central section school. my entire varsity squad was academic honor roll. in 2009 2 of my kids went ivy league and a bunch of others ended up at tech schools (not for football). This was a varsity team of 22....that was the culture we created though. do well in all things, not just sports. thats why i dont like the idea of an all sports academy.
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 24, 2015 9:15:44 GMT -6
Don't waste your time arguing our education system with this guy. If you look at some of his older posts you'll see he clearly despises teachers and looks down on our entire profession. You couldn't be more wrong. Teaching is an honorable Profession. I have said that numerous times and that I am rooting for each and every one of you because you all make a living with in a system that is in quite a bit of trouble right now financially. Find one of my older posts to the contrary. You must have me confused with someone else. I'll be waiting for your apology. My Brother is a Teacher....my own Daughter......my Aunt is a retired Teacher....I Teach an Urban Planning Course every Winter at a local CC. My Contract pays me $1 as a means to keep Tuition costs down. Now I do ask some curious questions in these types of Threads....only because I do care about your Profession....and the future of your Profession. Plus I find it fascinating what some of you have to go through just to be a Teacher now a day. IMG may or may not have it right....but at least its another model to look at for the future. The current model seems broken. My problem is that most times that teaching as a profession or model comes up you turn it into a partisan union bashing opportunity or talk about how the education model is broken which generally isn't topical to this board, whether you support education as it stands or not. We try to avoid getting political here for a reason, it is controversial and people get pissed off no matter what side you land on. I don't even always disagree with your points, I just don't think this is the place for it.
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Post by pistola on Sept 24, 2015 9:19:34 GMT -6
If a parent spends 3/4 of a million on their child's pre College education...some might consider that idiotic. I consider it...reminding the Educator who really signs their paychecks. Do you really think it's the education they're paying for? I would agree with some who have said its not really the "education" so to speak but more of the how they receive the education.. highly regimented preparing for college.. college athletics are a JOB for the athletes, so maybe this place will help the transition.. that being said that would be one of the reasons I would have a hard time sending a kid to something like this. HS athletics need to be a blast for the athletes not a job.. it needs to be something they can look back on as fun not so much worklike they experienced with their friends and family. If my kid would be good enough to get a college scholarship and they wanted to pursue college athletics then they can transition to more joblike atmosphere.. If parents want to do that while their kid is in high school i guess that is their decision
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Post by 33coach on Sept 24, 2015 9:25:23 GMT -6
I havnt heard of any IMG graduates going to play football for yale, harvard, MIT, Georgia Tech...etc..etc...etc Academics are probably on the back burner, they are looking to go to "championship" schools which are pretty lax in the grade requirments. Just because Harvard is top notch and a difficult school doesn't mean Ohio State, for instance, is easy. I really know nothing about IMG. But I would assume they are trying to get these kids to pass the NCAA requirements and get them ready for college academics whatever the level. no but it seems like the Championship schools are getting easier and easier. seems to me like all you need to get into Florida State (for example) is a #2 pencil and shoes. ;-)
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