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Post by coachfowler on Sept 18, 2015 10:53:43 GMT -6
IGM AcademyWonder if anybody on here plays them on their schedule. Is this really what we are headed towards?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2015 10:56:17 GMT -6
The days of it being just a game have been gone for quite some time.
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Post by coachfowler on Sept 18, 2015 10:58:33 GMT -6
True but this is getting absurd.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 18, 2015 14:31:01 GMT -6
IGM AcademyWonder if anybody on here plays them on their schedule. Is this really what we are headed towards? sure, for profit private school looking to collect athletes....but the funny thing is, look at who they play they are ranked #2 in the nation, but only 3 of their opps this year are ranked in the top 100? looks like a soft schedule to me....
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Post by silkyice on Sept 18, 2015 14:51:23 GMT -6
IGM AcademyWonder if anybody on here plays them on their schedule. Is this really what we are headed towards? sure, for profit private school looking to collect athletes....but the funny thing is, look at who they play they are ranked #2 in the nation, but only 3 of their opps this year are ranked in the top 100? looks like a soft schedule to me.... Out of 15,000 or more schools? That sounds pretty tough to me.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 18, 2015 14:52:25 GMT -6
sure, for profit private school looking to collect athletes....but the funny thing is, look at who they play they are ranked #2 in the nation, but only 3 of their opps this year are ranked in the top 100? looks like a soft schedule to me.... Out of 15,000 schools? That sounds pretty tough to me. not when you can litterally recruit from across the country and are trying to bill yourself as "the school for sports". they should have to play a top 10 school every week...in every sport
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Post by coachdude on Sept 18, 2015 18:02:15 GMT -6
I imagine there are more teams that don't want to play them than those that will. I could see it hard scheduling the tougher teams toward the end of the season.
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Post by fantom on Sept 18, 2015 21:17:59 GMT -6
I imagine there are more teams that don't want to play them than those that will. I could see it hard scheduling the tougher teams toward the end of the season. Why would you want to play them? If you have a great prospect you're just giving them a chance to recruit him.
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Post by CS on Sept 18, 2015 21:18:15 GMT -6
The only way to stop companies like this is basically to refuse to play them. And it helps that the state of Florida won't let them play for a state title.
We have this same problem in my area because we are more of a baseball area. We have the talent to win or compete for a state title every year but these kids don't play because their AAU team is playing out of state.
It's hard to compete with a tournament in Florida vs. going down the road on a bus in Podunk Arkansas and playing a team
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Post by rsmith627 on Sept 18, 2015 22:17:34 GMT -6
I imagine there are more teams that don't want to play them than those that will. I could see it hard scheduling the tougher teams toward the end of the season. Why would you want to play them? If you have a great prospect you're just giving them a chance to recruit him. That would be a non-issue for us. We have zero prospects LOL Still wouldn't play them because I don't agree with the concept of what they're doing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 4:51:24 GMT -6
I would love to play them, just from an ego standpoint... And we would be lucky to keep it w/in 50. For what it's worth, all of you in favor of club football, there you go. The word amateur gone forever.
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Post by coachtua on Sept 20, 2015 21:21:39 GMT -6
One of our kids went to their track camp this summer and was offered a scholarship to stay there. Now kinda wish he had. He ended up being a headache...
Don't know if the article mentioned this but they host one of the largest 7on7 tournaments in the nation. One of kids in my brothers 7on7 group got offered a scholarship after playing in their tournament.
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Post by dytmook on Sept 21, 2015 9:20:11 GMT -6
Our basketball team lost a kid to them or someone like them not long ago. Seems kind of silly and also a good way to potential expose yourself as not as good as you thought...
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Post by mahonz on Sept 21, 2015 15:07:08 GMT -6
I say its about time.
Good for them for finally thinking outside the system for a change.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 21, 2015 15:16:20 GMT -6
I say its about time. Good for them for finally thinking outside the system for a change. so we should all be recruiting 8th graders to live on campus and only focus on football? doubt their education is worth anything.
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Post by jaydub66 on Sept 21, 2015 17:00:36 GMT -6
I went to a Catholic high school (I know, I'm evil), and I know there was recruiting going on with some of the kids I played with. This how ever is a snap back to college being so expensive and parents saying, "I need my kid to go to school for free". Even though IMG is like 50,000 a year or something, you go to a school, average cost is 20,000-30,000 total, times 4-5 years, you're still saving money in the long run.
Parents are freaking out about the cost of school
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 21, 2015 17:25:19 GMT -6
This is a tough one. Besides elementary school, I've always been a public school kid and now coach at my Alma mater. So, as a public school coach we never like the private schools much. However, this is good ole Merica. If the best of the best want their own school, and if a group of businessmen want to put up the cash and take a chance on a for profit school, then all the power to them. They have the right to do so. This doesn't mean this school has to be allowed to compete in any type of post season and it also doesn't mean schools will be forced to play them.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 21, 2015 17:45:34 GMT -6
I say its about time. Good for them for finally thinking outside the system for a change. so we should all be recruiting 8th graders to live on campus and only focus on football? doubt their education is worth anything. They are K-12.....its better. It has to be or they fail.
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Post by fantom on Sept 21, 2015 18:17:41 GMT -6
This is a tough one. Besides elementary school, I've always been a public school kid and now coach at my Alma mater. So, as a public school coach we never like the private schools much. However, this is good ole Merica. If the best of the best want their own school, and if a group of businessmen want to put up the cash and take a chance on a for profit school, then all the power to them. They have the right to do so. This doesn't mean this school has to be allowed to compete in any type of post season and it also doesn't mean schools will be forced to play them. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards All if that's true but would you feel that way if one of your guys was one of the best of the best?
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 21, 2015 18:51:20 GMT -6
so we should all be recruiting 8th graders to live on campus and only focus on football? doubt their education is worth anything. They are K-12.....its better. It has to be or they fail. That is not true. You are making your statement on the assumption that the parents are making thoughtful rational choices based on their child's best developmental and academic needs. That is not necessarily the case. Bottom line, it is fairly ludicrous to even think that a school that is SPECIFICALLY CHARTERED to support kids for athletic excellence should ever compete against schools that are tasked with chore of educating the general public.
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Post by olinedude on Sept 22, 2015 9:46:00 GMT -6
The vast majority of me hates it. They openly recruit and because of marketing and advertising they are drawing from the entire nation. They live or die on being able to schedule games, and I hope nobody schedules them. On the other hand I'd love to see them play some of the top schools out here and get beat, because they would.
On the other hand... as a coach, this could reshape the high school football world. Maybe (like a 1% chance) even for the better. With all of the televised games, more media coverage of HS ball, and ultimately the more money coming down to high school football, we could potentially one day see coaching jobs with substantial pay without classroom duties. I love the current system in my state a lot, but I'd almost sell my soul to make around 100k and not have to deal with the classroom.
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Post by mahonz on Sept 22, 2015 9:54:52 GMT -6
They are K-12.....its better. It has to be or they fail. That is not true. You are making your statement on the assumption that the parents are making thoughtful rational choices based on their child's best developmental and academic needs. That is not necessarily the case. Bottom line, it is fairly ludicrous to even think that a school that is SPECIFICALLY CHARTERED to support kids for athletic excellence should ever compete against schools that are tasked with chore of educating the general public. Disagree. At $70K per year....parents are not idiots. They are purchasing both an education and a specific "trade" for their kids. If that is not the situation....they will fail because the kids generally will not get into College without the grades. Its only ludicrous because its a different way of doing things....finally.
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Post by coachfloyd on Sept 22, 2015 10:05:22 GMT -6
from the article...my comments in parenthesis...The school, 45 miles south of Tampa, recruits football players from around the country. It offers high-performance training (I am certified by USAW and run the Georgia Strength Coaches Association), college preparatory courses(we have those here along with dual enrollment and AP classses), coaches with N.F.L. playing experience(our HC played in the NFL and coached in college and Arena), facilities that resemble a small college more than a high school (we are getting a new gym with indoor facility, weight room, and dressing rooms), and a chance to play a national schedule and on ESPN(my school played on ESPN just a few years ago) against some of the highest-rated teams.
With that being said, private schools have been doing this for a loooooong time.
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Post by pistola on Sept 22, 2015 10:29:58 GMT -6
Do what you want.. Parents wanna throw a crazy amount of money for their kid to go.. thats fine.. people wanna spend crazy amount of money for scholarships thats fine.. I wouldnt schedule anybody thats not playing by the same rules i am.. We dont schedule private school now anyways.
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Post by spos21ram on Sept 22, 2015 11:15:55 GMT -6
This is a tough one. Besides elementary school, I've always been a public school kid and now coach at my Alma mater. So, as a public school coach we never like the private schools much. However, this is good ole Merica. If the best of the best want their own school, and if a group of businessmen want to put up the cash and take a chance on a for profit school, then all the power to them. They have the right to do so. This doesn't mean this school has to be allowed to compete in any type of post season and it also doesn't mean schools will be forced to play them. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards All if that's true but would you feel that way if one of your guys was one of the best of the best? I've had a few conversations with players and some friends of mine that are parents. I truly am honest and advise these kids with what's best for them in mind. If I have a player that is good enough to get substantial playing time at a private powerhouse and their parents had the money, then I would tell them to go. A 2 year successful starter at a football powerhouse playing against top notch talent would be way better for his future than if he were a 3 or 4 year starter at an average team that doesn't play great competition. If a kid has a pipedream and would sit the bench and maybe get some playing time by senior year then I would try to talk them into staying. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using proboards
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 22, 2015 17:50:53 GMT -6
That is not true. You are making your statement on the assumption that the parents are making thoughtful rational choices based on their child's best developmental and academic needs. That is not necessarily the case. Bottom line, it is fairly ludicrous to even think that a school that is SPECIFICALLY CHARTERED to support kids for athletic excellence should ever compete against schools that are tasked with chore of educating the general public. Disagree. At $70K per year....parents are not idiots. They are purchasing both an education and a specific "trade" for their kids. If that is not the situation....they will fail because the kids generally will not get into College without the grades. Its only ludicrous because its a different way of doing things....finally. mahonz Correct me if I am wrong, you primarily work with youth ball correct? I think you are drastically underestimating the idiocy of parents when it comes to things like this. Regarding being ludicrous--I don't think your reply made any sense. My point was if IMG is a school attended by students who were SPECIFICALLY brought to the school because of their athletic prowess, it seems rather silly for them to play schools attended by a cross section of the population.
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Post by jlenwood on Sept 23, 2015 7:43:17 GMT -6
"A school guide describes a typical day for athletes: Breakfast from 6:30 to 7:30 a.m. Three classes lasting 80 minutes each. Forty minutes of tutoring and preparation for standardized tests. Lunch. Training and conditioning from 1:30 to 5:30 p.m. Dinner. Another hour of available tutoring and a mandatory 90-minute study hall"
To those who say the education is lost, let's compare to a day in the life of a kid from a typical public school, which is where I coach:
-7:20 schools starts Classes where you are a high achieving student surrounded by kids who could care less about being disruptive or even graduating. But you better not separate the students, because that would be unfair to the dumb students. So a smart student has to learn in an environment where everything is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. -Now you get a crappy lunch the govt says is healthy, but nobody eats.
-Back to class with more dumba$$es.
-Schools out, now you put on your school supplied equipment that hasn't been upgraded for YEARS. And you strap on your helmet that is old technology, because it isn't in the budget to use the newest technology (helmets, classrooms sharing computers, text books....oops, forgot this was about football).
-Go practice on a practice field that most farmers wouldn't drive a tractor on. Hope you don't roll an ankle or anything, because for a lot of schools there is no $$ in the budget for a trainer.
.....you get the picture.
Now, contrast that with the IMG school day and learning environment, as well as the athletic environment, and then stand back and wonder why anyone would want to be a part of that...seriously!?
Let's be honest, if you had a son who had aspirations of PLAYING college ball (not just being on a team), and you had the means to do it, I think the majority of guys on here would be on board with a place like this. As a side note, and this is by no means scientific, but if a parent has $70k to send a kid to a school like this, they are probably a high achieving individual and that rubs off on the kid. That kid will be able to handle the being away from home more than not, as well as not being a part of the "local school" environment just fine.
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Post by fshamrock on Sept 23, 2015 7:49:55 GMT -6
My initial gut feeling when I look at the IMG academy website is to wonder if they have any job openings.
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Post by 33coach on Sept 23, 2015 9:16:45 GMT -6
"A school guide describes a typical day for athletes: Breakfast from 6:30 to 7:30 a.m. Three classes lasting 80 minutes each. Forty minutes of tutoring and preparation for standardized tests. Lunch. Training and conditioning from 1:30 to 5:30 p.m. Dinner. Another hour of available tutoring and a mandatory 90-minute study hall"To those who say the education is lost, let's compare to a day in the life of a kid from a typical public school, which is where I coach: -7:20 schools starts Classes where you are a high achieving student surrounded by kids who could care less about being disruptive or even graduating. But you better not separate the students, because that would be unfair to the dumb students. So a smart student has to learn in an environment where everything is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. -Now you get a crappy lunch the govt says is healthy, but nobody eats. -Back to class with more dumba$$es. -Schools out, now you put on your school supplied equipment that hasn't been upgraded for YEARS. And you strap on your helmet that is old technology, because it isn't in the budget to use the newest technology (helmets, classrooms sharing computers, text books....oops, forgot this was about football). -Go practice on a practice field that most farmers wouldn't drive a tractor on. Hope you don't roll an ankle or anything, because for a lot of schools there is no $$ in the budget for a trainer. .....you get the picture. Now, contrast that with the IMG school day and learning environment, as well as the athletic environment, and then stand back and wonder why anyone would want to be a part of that...seriously!? Let's be honest, if you had a son who had aspirations of PLAYING college ball (not just being on a team), and you had the means to do it, I think the majority of guys on here would be on board with a place like this. As a side note, and this is by no means scientific, but if a parent has $70k to send a kid to a school like this, they are probably a high achieving individual and that rubs off on the kid. That kid will be able to handle the being away from home more than not, as well as not being a part of the "local school" environment just fine. see thats where i differ, i wouldnt. I wouldnt send my kid to a long term boarding school where they "might" get to be a normal kid when they come home for holidays if they are allowed to because year round training. sometimes, us coaches need to realize this is just a game....
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Post by silkyice on Sept 23, 2015 10:00:01 GMT -6
"A school guide describes a typical day for athletes: Breakfast from 6:30 to 7:30 a.m. Three classes lasting 80 minutes each. Forty minutes of tutoring and preparation for standardized tests. Lunch. Training and conditioning from 1:30 to 5:30 p.m. Dinner. Another hour of available tutoring and a mandatory 90-minute study hall"To those who say the education is lost, let's compare to a day in the life of a kid from a typical public school, which is where I coach: -7:20 schools starts Classes where you are a high achieving student surrounded by kids who could care less about being disruptive or even graduating. But you better not separate the students, because that would be unfair to the dumb students. So a smart student has to learn in an environment where everything is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. -Now you get a crappy lunch the govt says is healthy, but nobody eats. -Back to class with more dumba$$es. -Schools out, now you put on your school supplied equipment that hasn't been upgraded for YEARS. And you strap on your helmet that is old technology, because it isn't in the budget to use the newest technology (helmets, classrooms sharing computers, text books....oops, forgot this was about football). -Go practice on a practice field that most farmers wouldn't drive a tractor on. Hope you don't roll an ankle or anything, because for a lot of schools there is no $$ in the budget for a trainer. .....you get the picture. Now, contrast that with the IMG school day and learning environment, as well as the athletic environment, and then stand back and wonder why anyone would want to be a part of that...seriously!? Let's be honest, if you had a son who had aspirations of PLAYING college ball (not just being on a team), and you had the means to do it, I think the majority of guys on here would be on board with a place like this. As a side note, and this is by no means scientific, but if a parent has $70k to send a kid to a school like this, they are probably a high achieving individual and that rubs off on the kid. That kid will be able to handle the being away from home more than not, as well as not being a part of the "local school" environment just fine. see thats where i differ, i wouldnt. I wouldnt send my kid to a long term boarding school where they "might" get to be a normal kid when they come home for holidays if they are allowed to because year round training. sometimes, us coaches need to realize this is just a game.... Not going to disagree, but people have been sending their kids to boarding schools for a long time. Just look at Hogwarts
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