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Post by mdunham on Jul 15, 2015 18:02:43 GMT -6
Well a quarter and a half in, the USA has stamped their unquestioned authority on France.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 18:21:05 GMT -6
Stop listening to the announcers, as a football coach the announcing is impossible and there less than a handful of announcers that are entertaining enough to even bother listening for entertainment.
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Post by mdunham on Jul 16, 2015 6:40:31 GMT -6
Wednesday's Schedule: Australia 16-8 Brazil Japan 35-7 Mexico USA 82-0 France
Saturday's Schedule: 5th place - South Korea vs. Australia, 12pm Bronze - Mexico vs. France, 330pm Gold - Japan vs. USA, 7pm
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Post by dman54 on Jul 16, 2015 8:04:53 GMT -6
82-0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mdunham on Jul 16, 2015 8:13:34 GMT -6
Forgot to add in above, it is a new IFAF World Cup record, the previous being a 77-0 smackdown of South Korea back in 2007. The US nearly scored in every way imaginable: tuns, passes, we had a blocked kick recovered in the end zone, a strip sack fumble in the end zone, and a 20 yard QB run that ended with a fumble on the 1 and rolled to the back of the endzone into the hands of a wide receiver. Unlike the previous two games, the US came out to a blazing start in this game.
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Post by mdunham on Jul 16, 2015 8:18:19 GMT -6
*Can't edit my post, it's a new US IFAF WC record. The overall record is 89-0 Mexico over Finland back in the inaugural event in 1999.
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Post by agame on Jul 16, 2015 11:10:38 GMT -6
Grand scheme of things...
USA whooping a team 82 zip is not good for the game on the world stage...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 16, 2015 11:26:31 GMT -6
Grand scheme of things... USA whooping a team 82 zip is not good for the game on the world stage... Uh...the original dream team had an average margin of victory of 43.8 points. That didn't seem to hurt international basketball. I would say that this isn't really a "world stage" however.
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Post by 33coach on Jul 16, 2015 11:33:44 GMT -6
Grand scheme of things... USA whooping a team 82 zip is not good for the game on the world stage... Uh...the original dream team had an average margin of victory of 43.8 points. That didn't seem to hurt international basketball. I would say that this isn't really a "world stage" however. thats one thing im having an issue with.... from what i know, there are some good teams in continental europe, and UK...where are they in this Tourney? and id like to see some Canadian teams come down - sure, they have to tweak their schemes abit...but they get an extra down!
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Post by mdunham on Jul 16, 2015 12:17:01 GMT -6
I'm sure limited preparation time have hurt these teams. I'm interested in understanding as well how "smart" these teams are. US players have been playing probably forever, for them they can play the game with instinct and can recognize things probably a lot quicker than other teams. The fatigue factor has to be huge too, pretty much everyone is semi-pro players while the US players in college train every day. Playing every 3 days for teams with only 45-man rosters has to be taking its toll.
Germany was qualified but couldn't secure enough funding on short notice to get here, Austria same story. Canada begged out due to player availability issues and didn't want to put out a second rate team.
I would say that while 82-0 doesn't look good, I think it's a good experience for these teams to be able to see first hand and be on the field against players of a higher quality, I'm sure it's a huge learning experience for them to play against guys who've played their entire athletic lives, only once in four years are they playing teams outside of their European competition. They earned the opportunity by winning the second tier pool. Perhaps on the next go around the US limits the team to Div2 and/or 3 players, and not draw anyone from the FBS/FCS levels. And look at the bright side, at least these teams are bringing homegrown talent. Just look into the lacrosse world cup and how much of a joke that is with their world cup team makeups.
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Post by fantom on Jul 16, 2015 12:37:42 GMT -6
I'm sure limited preparation time have hurt these teams. I'm interested in understanding as well how "smart" these teams are. US players have been playing probably forever, for them they can play the game with instinct and can recognize things probably a lot quicker than other teams. Our rugby team played English teams twice. One was a town club team touring the States (At the after-party they drank the bar out of gin) and the other was a pickup team from a British Navy ship. We were a pretty decent club team but we got our clocks cleaned both times. We had to think about doing things that they did automatically.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 16, 2015 12:40:53 GMT -6
I'm sure limited preparation time have hurt these teams. I'm interested in understanding as well how "smart" these teams are. US players have been playing probably forever, for them they can play the game with instinct and can recognize things probably a lot quicker than other teams. The fatigue factor has to be huge too, pretty much everyone is semi-pro players while the US players in college train every day. Playing every 3 days for teams with only 45-man rosters has to be taking its toll. Germany was qualified but couldn't secure enough funding on short notice to get here, Austria same story. Canada begged out due to player availability issues and didn't want to put out a second rate team. I would say that while 82-0 doesn't look good, I think it's a good experience for these teams to be able to see first hand and be on the field against players of a higher quality, I'm sure it's a huge learning experience for them to play against guys who've played their entire athletic lives, only once in four years are they playing teams outside of their European competition. They earned the opportunity by winning the second tier pool. Perhaps on the next go around the US limits the team to Div2 and/or 3 players, and not draw anyone from the FBS/FCS levels. And look at the bright side, at least these teams are bringing homegrown talent. Just look into the lacrosse world cup and how much of a joke that is with their world cup team makeups. I think one underlying issue with events such as these is simply that American football is not a sport that fits well with either a national team structure or a tournament schedule.
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Post by 33coach on Jul 16, 2015 12:53:18 GMT -6
I'm sure limited preparation time have hurt these teams. I'm interested in understanding as well how "smart" these teams are. US players have been playing probably forever, for them they can play the game with instinct and can recognize things probably a lot quicker than other teams. The fatigue factor has to be huge too, pretty much everyone is semi-pro players while the US players in college train every day. Playing every 3 days for teams with only 45-man rosters has to be taking its toll. Germany was qualified but couldn't secure enough funding on short notice to get here, Austria same story. Canada begged out due to player availability issues and didn't want to put out a second rate team. I would say that while 82-0 doesn't look good, I think it's a good experience for these teams to be able to see first hand and be on the field against players of a higher quality, I'm sure it's a huge learning experience for them to play against guys who've played their entire athletic lives, only once in four years are they playing teams outside of their European competition. They earned the opportunity by winning the second tier pool. Perhaps on the next go around the US limits the team to Div2 and/or 3 players, and not draw anyone from the FBS/FCS levels. And look at the bright side, at least these teams are bringing homegrown talent. Just look into the lacrosse world cup and how much of a joke that is with their world cup team makeups. I think one underlying issue with events such as these is simply that American football is not a sport that fits well with either a national team structure or a tournament schedule. it could fit in a tournament format easily. Double Elimination - 2 days between games would work just fine. now the national team - i completely agree, but you could argue the same thing about any sport - if we put together a national team in baseball we would wreck everyone as well...
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Post by mdunham on Jul 16, 2015 13:12:27 GMT -6
I'm sure limited preparation time have hurt these teams. I'm interested in understanding as well how "smart" these teams are. US players have been playing probably forever, for them they can play the game with instinct and can recognize things probably a lot quicker than other teams. Our rugby team played English teams twice. One was a town club team touring the States (At the after-party they drank the bar out of gin) and the other was a pickup team from a British Navy ship. We were a pretty decent club team but we got our clocks cleaned both times. We had to think about doing things that they did automatically. Exactly. My rugby coach from when I played in NYC recently is from New Zealand, played pro there as well as in Japan and England. He said one of the big things coaching here is that simple automatics are taken for granted have to be coached up here from the bottom up. I'm sure the same applies for football. A big thing not to underestimate as well is the coaching. I'm sure as the years go by the coaching and coach education aspect is improving and there is more material in different languages for coaches to learn.
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Post by raymul313 on Jul 16, 2015 13:13:31 GMT -6
We already do put out a national team for baseball in the World Baseball Classic and we've done alright, our best finish was 4th. I'm not surprised though the Japan & Dominican Republic teams always have talent even if they don't all play in MLB.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 16, 2015 13:15:54 GMT -6
it could fit in a tournament format easily. Double Elimination - 2 days between games would work just fine. now the national team - i completely agree, but you could argue the same thing about any sport - if we put together a national team in baseball we would wreck everyone as well... I disagree with both of these sentiments. 1st.. 2 days rest is not enough time to rest between football games. Period. People will respond "well, we do _____ or such and such state has ______ in their playoff format" Doesn't matter. ESPECIALLY when we are talking about men in their 20's, not middle school or even high school boys. Having coached 1AA ball, I don't think our players could have played a game on Monday, Thurs, Sun. 2nd, The NATURE of AMERICAN FOOTBALL is not one where you play 2 days between games. The nature of the sport is a single opponent, with ample time to analyze and prepare for that opponent. Regarding the national team, I am not sure if you understand. Plenty of sports can fit the national team model because they are more free flowing and can rely more on individual talents in a vacuum as opposed to football. Volleyball, Basketball, Ice Hockey, Soccer, Track &Swim Relays, baseball--all of those can take the top individual talents and create a national team (like the USWNT that just won the World Cup or like the USA basketball). I think that process is more difficult for football (not impossible, but more difficult)
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Post by agame on Jul 16, 2015 13:16:59 GMT -6
Uh...the original dream team had an average margin of victory of 43.8 points. That didn't seem to hurt international basketball. I would say that this isn't really a "world stage" however. thats one thing im having an issue with.... from what i know, there are some good teams in continental europe, and UK...where are they in this Tourney? and id like to see some Canadian teams come down - sure, they have to tweak their schemes abit...but they get an extra down! This was originally supposed to take place in Stockholm but after it fell through.. Abunch of good teams could not afford the trip to canton Canada I'm surprised still pulled out the comp
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Post by mdunham on Jul 16, 2015 13:17:54 GMT -6
if we put together a national team in baseball we would wreck everyone as well... We have already, no? World Baseball Classic I think was best team we could put together, and we lost. I don't think we've medaled as a matter of fact, not even in the medal round in 2013.
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Post by agame on Jul 16, 2015 13:21:00 GMT -6
Grand scheme of things... USA whooping a team 82 zip is not good for the game on the world stage... Uh...the original dream team had an average margin of victory of 43.8 points. That didn't seem to hurt international basketball. I would say that this isn't really a "world stage" however. Name a bigger stage currently for world American football?
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Post by agame on Jul 16, 2015 13:23:21 GMT -6
Our rugby team played English teams twice. One was a town club team touring the States (At the after-party they drank the bar out of gin) and the other was a pickup team from a British Navy ship. We were a pretty decent club team but we got our clocks cleaned both times. We had to think about doing things that they did automatically. Exactly. My rugby coach from when I played in NYC recently is from New Zealand, played pro there as well as in Japan and England. He said one of the big things coaching here is that simple automatics are taken for granted have to be coached up here from the bottom up. I'm sure the same applies for football. A big thing not to underestimate as well is the coaching. I'm sure as the years go by the coaching and coach education aspect is improving and there is more material in different languages for coaches to learn. Exactly this.. But for football
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Post by rudyrude9 on Jul 16, 2015 13:25:08 GMT -6
This is garbage football. I can't believe there are 2 pages of comments here about it. 3 games in a week? What a joke. I'm pretty sure most of our high school teams could beat these teams.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 16, 2015 13:29:17 GMT -6
Uh...the original dream team had an average margin of victory of 43.8 points. That didn't seem to hurt international basketball. I would say that this isn't really a "world stage" however. Name a bigger stage currently for world American football? The biggest stage...doesn't mean it is a world stage. Just like the World Fast Draw Association world champion might be the biggest stage for quick draw shooting...but that doesn't really mean it is world stage.
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Post by agame on Jul 16, 2015 13:37:48 GMT -6
This is garbage football. I can't believe there are 2 pages of comments here about it. 3 games in a week? What a joke. I'm pretty sure most of our high school teams could beat these teams. So these men should not play or coach a sport they enjoy, prob love because the football is garbage... ? The level of football outside of the USA is prob semi pro level at best.. For the whole... most of the men who play just like the ones who play here in UK it's s hobby.. They work full time.. And fit the sport in around work and family Does not mean they shouldn't be allowed to play the sport right?
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Post by agame on Jul 16, 2015 13:39:31 GMT -6
Name a bigger stage currently for world American football? The biggest stage...doesn't mean it is a world stage. Just like the World Fast Draw Association world champion might be the biggest stage for quick draw shooting...but that doesn't really mean it is world stage. But it is a world stage.. Ifaf is the governing body of the game of football iirc? So wherever the championship is its the world stage
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Post by mdunham on Jul 16, 2015 13:41:33 GMT -6
This is garbage football. I can't believe there are 2 pages of comments here about it. 3 games in a week? What a joke. I'm pretty sure most of our high school teams could beat these teams. Well these are all semi-pro athletes from around the world (and US is recent college football players), in a sport that is probably quite pricey around the world with the equipment necessary, with a ton less experience and coaching, taking time out of work and family to don a national jersey. I'm sure if you talk to all the participants, it is no joke. I'll tell you what, they're at a higher level playing in a World Cup, something I've never done, and something probably most all of us here haven't. I think it is a positive that this wonderful sport we love is spreading and being played in more places than ever before.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 16, 2015 13:41:34 GMT -6
This is garbage football. I can't believe there are 2 pages of comments here about it. 3 games in a week? What a joke. I'm pretty sure most of our high school teams could beat these teams. But is that a talent based issue, or a process one? As I mentioned earlier, American football doesn't seem conducive to this type of process. How are the teams selected? How long have they practiced together/trained together? The quality of the product on the field reflects that American Football is not really a sport that does well in this format.
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Post by agame on Jul 16, 2015 13:44:39 GMT -6
This is garbage football. I can't believe there are 2 pages of comments here about it. 3 games in a week? What a joke. I'm pretty sure most of our high school teams could beat these teams. But is that a talent based issue, or a process one? As I mentioned earlier, American football doesn't seem conducive to this type of process. How are the teams selected? How long have they practiced together/trained together? The quality of the product on the field reflects that American Football is not really a sport that does well in this format. Some Great points.. And These national teams only have limited time to learn offence defence and teams very short time
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Post by agame on Jul 16, 2015 13:45:10 GMT -6
This is garbage football. I can't believe there are 2 pages of comments here about it. 3 games in a week? What a joke. I'm pretty sure most of our high school teams could beat these teams. Well these are all semi-pro athletes from around the world (and US is recent college football players), in a sport that is probably quite pricey around the world with the equipment necessary, with a ton less experience and coaching, taking time out of work and family to don a national jersey. I'm sure if you talk to all the participants, it is no joke. I'll tell you what, they're at a higher level playing in a World Cup, something I've never done, and something probably most all of us here haven't. I think it is a positive that this wonderful sport we love is spreading and being played in more places than ever before. Well said sir
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 16, 2015 13:46:58 GMT -6
The biggest stage...doesn't mean it is a world stage. Just like the World Fast Draw Association world champion might be the biggest stage for quick draw shooting...but that doesn't really mean it is world stage. But it is a world stage.. Ifaf is the governing body of the game of football iirc? So wherever the championship is its the world stage The Ifaf has zero oversight of the NFL, of NCAA football, of HS football, of Local youth/pop warner football etc. What exactly does it govern? While international competition is the world stage for many sports, it isn't for a select few--Football, Baseball, Basketball, Golf, Tennis... My point being, is it a "world stage" if the world doesn't care? We might just be arguing word usage and semantics, but bottom line, whether this is a "world stage" or not...the world doesn't really care.
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Post by tommyfootball on Jul 16, 2015 13:49:19 GMT -6
Can only speak for France, but I can attest that in most places the level of coaching is what you'd expect from a country where football is like fifth on the list of most popular sports. It's an American novelty here. Not joking, it's less popular than Handball. HANDBALL.
This isn't true for some of the higher division teams, but a lot of people who play football here try it out for the first time in their early- to mid-twenties, and play for anywhere between one and three seasons. I'm originally from Indiana, and I'd imagine that a middling Class A team (smallest schools) would wipe the floor with our Division 3 team made up of grown men, let alone our Junior team of 16 to 19 year-olds.
So even if a team is lucky enough to find a freak athlete willing to play the sport, he wouldn't get the coaching needed to maximize his talent in a way to compete on the same level as American players, many of whom have had some relationship with the sport--Pop Warner, middle school FB, or even just two-hand touch after Thanksgiving dinner--for many years more than international players.
I can imagine that for other international teams, the situation may be similar.
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