biggus3
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Post by biggus3 on May 13, 2015 19:29:58 GMT -6
I've heard the word PSI 12,538 times today. Given that there is so much talk about cheating, are there any instances where you have suspected cheating, whether it was your team or an opponent?
I know that adderall use is absolutely rampant on my current team I coach. I caught a kid taking a fistful during warm ups one day and I know he didn't have prescription. Fortunately, he barely got in the rotation, but we hammered him nonetheless. We tried to set the tone, but I can tell when a kid who can barely get excited over a bus load of Hawaiian tropic girls suddenly is shooting lasers out of his eyes.
In college, our db coach played for the eagles. He showed us about every trick of the trade. Everyone used silicone spray that was somehow both dry and slick. Quite a few guys were gassed up, even at the crappy school I went to.
I am convinced that our current rival has a radio jammer. Our headsets are crystal clear everywhere else we go, but in their stadium, we would be better off with tin cans and strings.
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Post by natenator on May 14, 2015 7:50:18 GMT -6
Oakland Raiders football rules:
1) Cheating is encouraged 2) See #1
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Post by coachphillip on May 14, 2015 7:51:17 GMT -6
I thought all this stuff was crazy and then I remembered you're in Texas lol.
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Post by fantom on May 14, 2015 8:48:06 GMT -6
Some guys will play games with the film. One guy gave us a blank tape. Another time we started watching a tape from the same guy and something seemed off. Eventually we realized that they'd played that game at home instead of in the stadium that the tape was from and that he'd sent us tape from the wrong year. The same guy once gave us the wrong day for one of his scrimmages after he'd scouted our's. Back in the days of 16 mm there was a guy who was notorious for cutting any trick plays out of his trade film.
There's a stadium where we never give our pregame review or halftime adjustments verbally. We always write on the board. The reason is that the locker rooms are adjacent and if you stand in the bathroom you can hear every word that they're saying in the other room.
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Post by bluedevil4 on May 14, 2015 9:28:02 GMT -6
It happens everywhere. A few years ago, a team in our conference lined up #49 at guard, and they were throwing screens and even threw a pop pass to him. It was actually discovered later that the refs were in on it, and that crew was banned from reffing MHSAA football. Fortunately, the team was terrible and we still beat the tar out of them.
We also had a team that we were pretty sure was tapping in on our headsets one game. When we were on offense, every time we snapped the ball, all 11 players would literally leave their spot and go into a dead sprint to the exact spot where the ball was going (Like D-line not even engaging the O-line sprinting). Our adjustment in the second half was that we called a play, and we just told our QB that if he had a hunch just sneak it. We had 200+ yards off QB sneak in the second half.
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Post by msirishman on May 15, 2015 6:51:14 GMT -6
Even w/ Hudl, we'll get films that have plays deleted. I just laugh and go about my business.
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Post by WingTheT on May 15, 2015 6:57:14 GMT -6
What made me mad was the quality film we would get when we would trade with other teams. Our quality would be pretty good imo but the film we go in return??
I had to do a lot of the film info and other stats but how can I do it if the camera is all the way zoomed out and it looks like little ants are running around? Not to mention that the picture quality of some of the films we would get would looks like something you would see on the NFL network classics from the 1940's...
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Post by wolverine55 on May 15, 2015 7:14:58 GMT -6
I've found a few times over the years where special team plays seem to go missing, but even then, I could probably count on one hand how many times I've caught that.
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Post by blb on May 15, 2015 7:17:36 GMT -6
When I was coaching in college we got a trade film from a team that had won their previous game 43-6.
Watching the film you would've thought they lost 6-0 - all their scoring plays were missing.
Perhaps not coincidentally the HC of that team had been fired by a Big Ten school for recruiting violations.
Few years ago I drove literally half way across the state on a Sunday night to make an exchange for first round playoff game.
Guy kept me waiting two hours.
When I got home the DVDs were blank.
Happy ending is we beat them 45-20, first time in several years they had not made at least third round, and they had a nice 2 1/2-hour or so bus ride home.
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Post by oldman61 on May 15, 2015 11:00:31 GMT -6
When I was coaching in college we got a trade film from a team that had won their previous game 43-6. Watching the film you would've thought they lost 6-0 - all their scoring plays were missing. Perhaps not coincidentally the HC of that team had been fired by a Big Ten school for recruiting violations. Few years ago I drove literally half way across the state on a Sunday night to make an exchange for first round playoff game. Guy kept me waiting two hours. When I got home the DVDs were blank. Happy ending is we beat them 45-20, first time in several years they had not made at least third round, and they had a nice 2 1/2-hour or so bus ride home. Keeping the DVDs blank is something I use to do to kids. When they told me how much film they watched, they were surprised when I asked them to play the DVD in front of me only to see nothing on it.
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Post by larrymoe on May 15, 2015 11:09:20 GMT -6
Few years ago I drove literally half way across the state on a Sunday night to make an exchange for first round playoff game. Guy kept me waiting two hours. When I got home the DVDs were blank. Happy ending is we beat them 45-20, first time in several years they had not made at least third round, and they had a nice 2 1/2-hour or so bus ride home. Didn't drive that far, but had a similar situation a couple years ago. Got a couple blank DVDs and when I called him about it he told me one of the ones I gave him didn't work. Which was weird since the other three teams previously I had given it to didn't have any problems getting it to play.
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Post by brophy on May 15, 2015 11:33:02 GMT -6
The amount of effort required to 'cheat' is generally more than just actually trying to be better by doing it the right way.
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Post by fantom on May 15, 2015 11:36:41 GMT -6
The amount of effort required to 'cheat' is generally more than just actually trying to be better by doing it the right way. A lot of times that's true but it doesn't take much work to make a blank tape.
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Post by coachorm on May 15, 2015 11:46:17 GMT -6
I've heard the word PSI 12,538 times today. Given that there is so much talk about cheating, are there any instances where you have suspected cheating, whether it was your team or an opponent? I know that adderall use is absolutely rampant on my current team I coach. I caught a kid taking a fistful during warm ups one day and I know he didn't have prescription. Fortunately, he barely got in the rotation, but we hammered him nonetheless. We tried to set the tone, but I can tell when a kid who can barely get excited over a bus load of Hawaiian tropic girls suddenly is shooting lasers out of his eyes. In college, our db coach played for the eagles. He showed us about every trick of the trade. Everyone used silicone spray that was somehow both dry and slick. Quite a few guys were gassed up, even at the crappy school I went to. I am convinced that our current rival has a radio jammer. Our headsets are crystal clear everywhere else we go, but in their stadium, we would be better off with tin cans and strings. I am sure we have probably had kids try to cheat. I mean by nature we teach our linemen how to hold and get away with it. Isn't that considered cheating? I mean you can call it giving your kid an advantage but your still cheating because the rules say you cant hold. To the OP, be careful with that situation. You just stated you have seen kids on your team taking perscription drugs without a perscription. In our school if I saw that and didnt report it and then a kid had a reaction to it or something like that I would lose my job because I knew and didnt say anything. You may want to bring this up to the kid, his parents, your HC, AD or somebody. Teaching your kids how to hold an not get caught, or other things similar to that... yeah its cheating but its understood cheating. Knowing they are taking perscription drugs without a perscripition..... stupid if you dont stop it an say something to someone.
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Post by bigm0073 on May 15, 2015 12:09:34 GMT -6
AFter watching film and by the the stance of the QB you can tell if it is a pass or run.. Is that cheating.. The players know when his foot is up it is a pass... Even Run..95% probability so you sell out for run.. cover 0.. spread team.. We won a Regional Championship and many, many games by these tips (MLBER MAKES CALL RUN PASS CALL) Is this cheating...Alignment of Back - (Especially spread teams) ... we were doing this 2010/2011 before most schools and even colleges... Back deeper IZ run... Back even Pass .. 90% of time... By knowing this we make a call.. Is this cheating...No huddle teams... When we decipher their code words and numbers... Have players who by 2nd quarter know where play is going according to their code words or numbers..Conveyed to defense and run/pass is on or off... We know where play is going and we sell out for it.. Is this cheating....If it is not what is the difference between defense picking up code words, etc and coaches knowing the other coaches signals... By the spirit of rules both are considered cheating.. Correct? Line can be "blurred at times.. Not always as cut and dry as people think...
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Post by silkyice on May 15, 2015 12:40:33 GMT -6
AFter watching film and by the the stance of the QB you can tell if it is a pass or run.. Is that cheating.. The players know when his foot is up it is a pass... Even Run..95% probability so you sell out for run.. cover 0.. spread team.. We won a Regional Championship and many, many games by these tips (MLBER MAKES CALL RUN PASS CALL) Is this cheating...Alignment of Back - (Especially spread teams) ... we were doing this 2010/2011 before most schools and even colleges... Back deeper IZ run... Back even Pass .. 90% of time... By knowing this we make a call.. Is this cheating...No huddle teams... When we decipher their code words and numbers... Have players who by 2nd quarter know where play is going according to their code words or numbers..Conveyed to defense and run/pass is on or off... We know where play is going and we sell out for it.. Is this cheating....If it is not what is the difference between defense picking up code words, etc and coaches knowing the other coaches signals... By the spirit of rules both are considered cheating.. Correct? Line can be "blurred at times.. Not always as cut and dry as people think... No. That is called tendencies. No that is called listening to words. Do you really think that other defenses didn't pick up on tendencies based on alignment of the back in the gun? That colleges even all the way back in 2010 didn't look at that? LOL
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Post by WingTheT on May 15, 2015 12:50:34 GMT -6
Cheating would be:
Sending a double back blitz during a spring game when no blitzing is allowed....our old DC did that at my other school. Coached college football over 40 yrs and knows his defense...and also knows that no one is going to get mad/yell at a 76 year old man. I coached DL there so I didn't have any problem ha
Can't tell you how many times he would play the "oh, I must not have heard him. Must be my bad hearing again" card.
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Post by spreadpowero on May 15, 2015 13:36:27 GMT -6
Watering the field. No rain all week, and the field is a quagmire.
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tland
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Post by tland on May 15, 2015 13:39:27 GMT -6
Opinions will probably be split on this as they were on my own staff.
We played a very talented team week 2 that some thought could make a run for a title. Our opening drive my FB says he lost his wristband, we have guys looking all over the field, my pbox staff is looking, can't find it. It crosses our mind that maybe the other team has it, so my sideline and pbox staff are looking at their coaches and players, see nothing. Game ends and we win 12-6, big upset victory for us. We're cleaning up on the sideline and my pbox filmer comes down to give us the camera and he's got the wristband, says one of the other coaches gave it to him after the game. We get back and on film you can see their DL rip it off my FB's arm in the middle of the play and then run towards his sideline waving it in the air at their coaches.
Me and my DC thought it was bs, while my LB coach didn't know why we cared since he couldn't understand what I had on there anyway.
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Post by bigm0073 on May 15, 2015 16:38:03 GMT -6
No. That is called tendencies. No that is called listening to words. Do you really think that other defenses didn't pick up on tendencies based on alignment of the back in the gun? That colleges even all the way back in 2010 didn't look at that? LOL Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/69082/cheating-football#ixzz3aFWEGCXUNo I know colleges do that.. Our DC has 10 years of college coaching experience from Division II, III and FCS Level.. He is the one that came up with it... I get that.. The difference between us and 99% of other high school teams is we check EVERYTHING with the LBER.. He makes the calls and we go.. Out lbers have checks weekly off of formations, personnel, etc... Most high schools do not do this... Other teams may or may not have picked up on it (Considering we played them in the regional finals Thanksgiving weekend it looked like not too many did pick up on it)... We were able to win by the QBs feet... Alignment of back confirmed.. Run read our OLBER blitzed and we were cover 0... 7 man box against spread.. Pass lbers dropped and safeties play cover 4.. Was a HUGE Again others would consider that unethical...
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Post by fantom on May 15, 2015 16:52:50 GMT -6
No. That is called tendencies. No that is called listening to words. Do you really think that other defenses didn't pick up on tendencies based on alignment of the back in the gun? That colleges even all the way back in 2010 didn't look at that? LOL Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/69082/cheating-football#ixzz3aFWEGCXUNo I know colleges do that.. Our DC has 10 years of college coaching experience from Division II, III and FCS Level.. He is the one that came up with it... I get that.. The difference between us and 99% of other high school teams is we check EVERYTHING with the LBER.. He makes the calls and we go.. Out lbers have checks weekly off of formations, personnel, etc... Most high schools do not do this... Other teams may or may not have picked up on it (Considering we played them in the regional finals Thanksgiving weekend it looked like not too many did pick up on it)... We were able to win by the QBs feet... Alignment of back confirmed.. Run read our OLBER blitzed and we were cover 0... 7 man box against spread.. Pass lbers dropped and safeties play cover 4.. Was a HUGE Again others would consider that unethical... Why?
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Post by silkyice on May 15, 2015 17:06:19 GMT -6
No. That is called tendencies. No that is called listening to words. Do you really think that other defenses didn't pick up on tendencies based on alignment of the back in the gun? That colleges even all the way back in 2010 didn't look at that? LOL Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/69082/cheating-football#ixzz3aFWEGCXUNo I know colleges do that.. Our DC has 10 years of college coaching experience from Division II, III and FCS Level.. He is the one that came up with it... I get that.. The difference between us and 99% of other high school teams is we check EVERYTHING with the LBER.. He makes the calls and we go.. Out lbers have checks weekly off of formations, personnel, etc... Most high schools do not do this... Other teams may or may not have picked up on it (Considering we played them in the regional finals Thanksgiving weekend it looked like not too many did pick up on it)... We were able to win by the QBs feet... Alignment of back confirmed.. Run read our OLBER blitzed and we were cover 0... 7 man box against spread.. Pass lbers dropped and safeties play cover 4.. Was a HUGE Again others would consider that unethical... Unethical? Seriously?? And dc's have been checking tendencies like back alignment since before my dad was born.
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Post by 33coach on May 15, 2015 17:30:54 GMT -6
Watering the field. No rain all week, and the field is a quagmire. it definitely slows down those spread teams when you get them on wet muddy grass. That's not cheating, it's called taking advantage of the terrain....AND pi$$ing off your grounds keeper.
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Post by wingtol on May 15, 2015 18:35:06 GMT -6
No. That is called tendencies. No that is called listening to words. Do you really think that other defenses didn't pick up on tendencies based on alignment of the back in the gun? That colleges even all the way back in 2010 didn't look at that? LOL Read more: coachhuey.com/thread/69082/cheating-football#ixzz3aFWEGCXUNo I know colleges do that.. Our DC has 10 years of college coaching experience from Division II, III and FCS Level.. He is the one that came up with it... I get that.. The difference between us and 99% of other high school teams is we check EVERYTHING with the LBER.. He makes the calls and we go.. Out lbers have checks weekly off of formations, personnel, etc... Most high schools do not do this... Other teams may or may not have picked up on it (Considering we played them in the regional finals Thanksgiving weekend it looked like not too many did pick up on it)... We were able to win by the QBs feet... Alignment of back confirmed.. Run read our OLBER blitzed and we were cover 0... 7 man box against spread.. Pass lbers dropped and safeties play cover 4.. Was a HUGE Again others would consider that unethical... We call that "scouting"
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souza12
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Post by souza12 on May 15, 2015 18:42:10 GMT -6
Had a guy sndd {censored} film one year
had a guy actually come watch us practice another year (and boasted about it after lol)
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Post by coachphillip on May 15, 2015 18:42:55 GMT -6
Had a guy sndd {censored} film one year had a guy actually come watch us practice another year (and boasted about it after lol) I've sent plenty of terrible film. The unfortunate aspect of freshmen football lol.
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Post by coachphillip on May 15, 2015 18:43:20 GMT -6
What about filming signals? I think that's bush league. What do you guys think?
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Post by freezeoption on May 15, 2015 19:57:10 GMT -6
one year was volunteering at a school, we were getting ready to play a team that a buddy of mine was the dc for, i said i bet i can read his signals, the coach said bring your binoculars, i was in the press box, read his signals all night, but they still beat us, they had a ton of talent, we kept it close, guess you can call that cheating, there are a couple of teams that i will not trade with, coach is a penis and kids are jerks, we have no rule on having to trade till you make the playoffs
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Post by coachtua on May 15, 2015 20:18:48 GMT -6
We played a team in high school who lacked speed to match ours so they let the grass grow for a month. The grass was literally covering the tops of our cleats. Idiots didn't realize it just slowed them down as much.
Is it cheating if coaches around the county send their end zone tapes of our upcoming opponents because the HC is a dick. Is it cheating if other coaches sent the signals they were able to steal from upcoming opponents.
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Post by fantom on May 15, 2015 21:39:04 GMT -6
We played a team in high school who lacked speed to match ours so they let the grass grow for a month. The grass was literally covering the tops of our cleats. Idiots didn't realize it just slowed them down as much. Is it cheating if coaches around the county send their end zone tapes of our upcoming opponents because the HC is a dick. Is it cheating if other coaches sent the signals they were able to steal from upcoming opponents. No.
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