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Mar 25, 2015 8:14:00 GMT -6
Post by John Knight on Mar 25, 2015 8:14:00 GMT -6
I don't remember any of those skrawney little guys playing and football and when they made fun of fat kids who couldn't do pull ups we kicked their ass, not go home crying to momma.
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Mar 25, 2015 8:35:03 GMT -6
Post by mariner42 on Mar 25, 2015 8:35:03 GMT -6
when they made fun of fat kids who couldn't do pull ups we kicked their ass, not go home crying to momma. Those were the days...
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Mar 25, 2015 8:40:43 GMT -6
Post by CoachMikeJudy on Mar 25, 2015 8:40:43 GMT -6
I voted no. Although I think it's awesome that they were able to perform like that these kids would HATE it. I don't want kids dreading my class. They love my class because I bust their balls "just enough" for them to see progress on a personal health level, and provide some life-skills that are not being taught or practiced outside of my 90 min period.
If it were an elective, where the kids have to sign up to take it, then I'm all for it. But when every kid has to take my class...including kids with CP, MS, and various other physical disorders (including just being a triple-fat fatty) that prevent full range of movement and function, then this would not fly with me.
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Mar 25, 2015 8:51:24 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Mar 25, 2015 8:51:24 GMT -6
I voted "No" because I don't believe that this program ever existed anywhere other then at that particular school and maybe at a few other schools in model programs. I think that this film was a dog and pony show put on for the sake of making the film. My gut feeling when I first saw it was "Triumph of the Will" or a WWII newsreel about Marine boot camp. I don't believe that it's feasible to use this story as a mandatory every day class for all students and I doubt that it ever was. Juts another example of "The older I get the better I was".
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Mar 25, 2015 8:53:26 GMT -6
Post by funkfriss on Mar 25, 2015 8:53:26 GMT -6
Back to the original topic, I think this has some merit, but not in the Russia Olympic cold-war style shown in the video. I was waiting for them to show the injection room!
I think something of this nature actually would have the most benefit at the Elem/JH level. I remember always going through the President's physical fitness test stuff (push ups, pull ups, sit ups, rope climb, running etc.). I think getting back to this is the lower levels can help prepare kids for high school for sure. Also, kids at that age are far less argumentative/resistant especially if you make it fun/loud/competitive.
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Post by veerman on Mar 25, 2015 8:57:41 GMT -6
Parents are more the problem than the kids. Kids are lazy cause they are allowed to be lazy. They know school not going to do anything cause mommy and daddy have their back no matter what they do.
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Post by fbs on Mar 25, 2015 9:00:52 GMT -6
so who won the internet?
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Mar 25, 2015 9:01:17 GMT -6
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Post by veerman on Mar 25, 2015 9:01:17 GMT -6
I like the fitness test as well, but Parents complain cause it makes their baby feel bad about themselves in front of others when they can't run a lap around the track or complete one pushup.....let's face it physical fitness is fighting a losing battle.
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Mar 25, 2015 9:03:11 GMT -6
Post by fbs on Mar 25, 2015 9:03:11 GMT -6
as usual, liberal parenting will be the downfall of this country.
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Mar 25, 2015 9:33:39 GMT -6
Post by mariner42 on Mar 25, 2015 9:33:39 GMT -6
One of the other PE teachers and I have been talking about the ideas in this video for the last few days and we did a bit of homework on the program itself and there's some things that I think have very solid merits. For example: If you notice in the video, the boys all have different colored trunks on. What isn't explained is that the trunks are tied to achievement in a bunch of different fitness tests (pull ups, push ups, bar dips, sit ups, burpees, 200yd shuttle, 800m run, partner carry, swim, etc) and you can both go up and down based on your achievement, creating both positive and negative pressure on the kids at the same time. If you see that kid in the gold trunks doing about a million of the extended pushups, he's at an unreal level of fitness. Link for those interested in further reading: www.theleanberets.com/la-sierra-high-pe-past-lessons-for-future-fitness/
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Post by larrymoe on Mar 25, 2015 9:52:11 GMT -6
One of the other PE teachers and I have been talking about the ideas in this video for the last few days and we did a bit of homework on the program itself and there's some things that I think have very solid merits. For example: If you notice in the video, the boys all have different colored trunks on. What isn't explained is that the trunks are tied to achievement in a bunch of different fitness tests (pull ups, push ups, bar dips, sit ups, burpees, 200yd shuttle, 800m run, partner carry, swim, etc) and you can both go up and down based on your achievement, creating both positive and negative pressure on the kids at the same time. If you see that kid in the gold trunks doing about a million of the extended pushups, he's at an unreal level of fitness. Link for those interested in further reading: www.theleanberets.com/la-sierra-high-pe-past-lessons-for-future-fitness/An interesting social note is it could be counter argued that a lot of the conformity, rigidity and sort of fascistness of that era spawned a great deal of the counterculture movement and backlash against authority in the late 60s and early 70s.
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Mar 25, 2015 9:58:58 GMT -6
Post by tothehouse on Mar 25, 2015 9:58:58 GMT -6
Now that...Larry...I totally agree with (your point about "a bigger problem")
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Mar 25, 2015 10:00:01 GMT -6
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Post by veerman on Mar 25, 2015 10:00:01 GMT -6
Nothing spawns backlash IMO, no matter what your always going to have people that want to argue and fight the system. It's how these people are delt with that will determine the outcome.....Just like in your football program
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Mar 25, 2015 10:06:51 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Mar 25, 2015 10:06:51 GMT -6
Nothing spawns backlash IMO, no matter what your always going to have people that want to argue and fight the system. It's how these people are delt with that will determine the outcome.....Just like in your football program The conformity and cookie cutterness of post WWII America is generally accredited as the #1 reason for the counterculture movement of the late 60s and early 70s. Every generation reacts to the values and norms put forth by the generation in power when they are being raised. That generation chose to rebel against the conformity of the 50s by becoming hippies. My generation rebelled against the Baby Boomers by becoming grunge music listening loners who are very antisocial. This generation is rebelling against the over involvedness of the helicopter parent generation by not caring about anything themselves. www.genimperative.com/AmericasGenerations.html
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Mar 25, 2015 10:23:45 GMT -6
Post by fbs on Mar 25, 2015 10:23:45 GMT -6
I halfway agree with you larry. you're spot on about the root of all of this being the post WW2 expectations of kids. this became the baby boomers, which pushed back against the no nonsense era of parenting. I think the rebellion ended there as a whole though. the precedent set by the hippies didn't really give kids anything to push back on. the fact that parenting as a whole has become friendly instead of real parenting turns the whole thing into complacency. kids don't have anything to really rebel against at home because they're allowed to do whatever, when they aren't equipped to raise themselves. Parents today are so wrapped up in being "cool parents" and trying to be the opposite of their parents that they've lost sight of what their goal is.
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Mar 25, 2015 10:27:22 GMT -6
Post by mariner42 on Mar 25, 2015 10:27:22 GMT -6
One of the other PE teachers and I have been talking about the ideas in this video for the last few days and we did a bit of homework on the program itself and there's some things that I think have very solid merits. For example: If you notice in the video, the boys all have different colored trunks on. What isn't explained is that the trunks are tied to achievement in a bunch of different fitness tests (pull ups, push ups, bar dips, sit ups, burpees, 200yd shuttle, 800m run, partner carry, swim, etc) and you can both go up and down based on your achievement, creating both positive and negative pressure on the kids at the same time. If you see that kid in the gold trunks doing about a million of the extended pushups, he's at an unreal level of fitness. Link for those interested in further reading: www.theleanberets.com/la-sierra-high-pe-past-lessons-for-future-fitness/An interesting social note is it could be counter argued that a lot of the conformity, rigidity and sort of fascistness of that era spawned a great deal of the counterculture movement and backlash against authority in the late 60s and early 70s. Statement, not a judgement: You are such a history teacher.
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Mar 25, 2015 16:48:05 GMT -6
Post by John Knight on Mar 25, 2015 16:48:05 GMT -6
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Mar 25, 2015 16:59:48 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Mar 25, 2015 16:59:48 GMT -6
An interesting social note is it could be counter argued that a lot of the conformity, rigidity and sort of fascistness of that era spawned a great deal of the counterculture movement and backlash against authority in the late 60s and early 70s. Statement, not a judgement: You are such a history teacher. Yes, but also sociology and psychology. I just don't understand how people can deny that the counterculture movement was spawned by the conformity of the 50s.
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Mar 25, 2015 17:03:05 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Mar 25, 2015 17:03:05 GMT -6
I halfway agree with you larry. you're spot on about the root of all of this being the post WW2 expectations of kids. this became the baby boomers, which pushed back against the no nonsense era of parenting. I think the rebellion ended there as a whole though. the precedent set by the hippies didn't really give kids anything to push back on. the fact that parenting as a whole has become friendly instead of real parenting turns the whole thing into complacency. kids don't have anything to really rebel against at home because they're allowed to do whatever, when they aren't equipped to raise themselves. Parents today are so wrapped up in being "cool parents" and trying to be the opposite of their parents that they've lost sight of what their goal is. While parents aren't as "strict" what our perception of strict is, there's plenty of kids to push back again. The pressure to be perfect put on them by both parents and schools (testing, ACTs, etc), the fact their parents are in their crap at all times (helicopter parents) and the psychological effects of society and parents pushing them to "grow up" before they're ready to so that we can have these perfect little test scorers and blah blah blah. I think the "kids aren't required to do anything these days" mantra of so many is far, far off base.
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Mar 26, 2015 9:01:47 GMT -6
Post by fbs on Mar 26, 2015 9:01:47 GMT -6
I can see that... and you're right on that. I think we are both right because where I was last year (top 10 school nationally) the pressure was outrageous for the kids to succeed in everything. where I'm at now is what I was describing. no discipline from the parents at all because they'd rather be liked than respected.
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Mar 26, 2015 9:11:07 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Mar 26, 2015 9:11:07 GMT -6
I can see that... and you're right on that. I think we are both right because where I was last year (top 10 school nationally) the pressure was outrageous for the kids to succeed in everything. where I'm at now is what I was describing. no discipline from the parents at all because they'd rather be liked than respected. What you're probably experiencing is more Ruby Payne like changes in economic pressures.
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Mar 26, 2015 9:15:49 GMT -6
Post by CoachMikeJudy on Mar 26, 2015 9:15:49 GMT -6
I can see that... and you're right on that. I think we are both right because where I was last year (top 10 school nationally) the pressure was outrageous for the kids to succeed in everything. where I'm at now is what I was describing. no discipline from the parents at all because they'd rather be liked than respected. What you're probably experiencing is more Ruby Payne like changes in economic pressures. A lot of people try to discount the Ruby Payne stuff but I'm sold on it- spent 3 years in DC area and the socio-economic disparities were spot on for the most part.
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Mar 26, 2015 9:19:58 GMT -6
Post by fbs on Mar 26, 2015 9:19:58 GMT -6
I can see that... and you're right on that. I think we are both right because where I was last year (top 10 school nationally) the pressure was outrageous for the kids to succeed in everything. where I'm at now is what I was describing. no discipline from the parents at all because they'd rather be liked than respected. What you're probably experiencing is more Ruby Payne like changes in economic pressures. amazingly, not really. there's not a whole lot of difference between them as far as affluence is concerned. where I was last year was an affluent suburban school, and this is an affluent lake community.
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Mar 26, 2015 9:49:39 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Mar 26, 2015 9:49:39 GMT -6
What you're probably experiencing is more Ruby Payne like changes in economic pressures. A lot of people try to discount the Ruby Payne stuff but I'm sold on it- spent 3 years in DC area and the socio-economic disparities were spot on for the most part. I'm not sold on the program she puts out, but the concepts she puts out are pretty spot on IMO. We did it at our monthly inservices at a previous stop of mine and the information was very good, it just never really got to a point where they told you what to do with that information and how to bridge the gap between the poverty attitudes and the middle class attitudes of education. Or, maybe I just left the place before they got to that part.
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Mar 26, 2015 9:50:42 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Mar 26, 2015 9:50:42 GMT -6
What you're probably experiencing is more Ruby Payne like changes in economic pressures. amazingly, not really. there's not a whole lot of difference between them as far as affluence is concerned. where I was last year was an affluent suburban school, and this is an affluent lake community. Weird.
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Mar 29, 2015 21:08:14 GMT -6
Post by coachdlo on Mar 29, 2015 21:08:14 GMT -6
Does PE need to be boot camp? Nah.. Does PE need to cut the BS with "SOME" sports/activities and get back to running, lifting, cals, flexibility, rope climbing, etc. YES.... just my opinion. As a PE teacher (early 20's) we are WAY WAY WAY too focused on having "fun" and learning life long skills/activities.. save me the BS.. honestly if little billy plans to play golf or bowl or whatever until he's 70 he's going to do that anyways.
6th - 12th grade is 6 years we could mandate PE be taken and taken seriously. Back to the fundamentals. Working out, sweating, getting in shape. PE is being made WAY to soft IMO..
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Mar 29, 2015 21:10:01 GMT -6
Post by coachdlo on Mar 29, 2015 21:10:01 GMT -6
Require PE in school. Fail the kids that don't want to participate. Just like you would fail them in English, Math, Reading, etc.
Dont dress out = dont get a grade
Dont Participate = Dont get a grade
Dont achieve SOME level of improvement = dont get a good grade.
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Mar 29, 2015 22:10:05 GMT -6
Post by coachmonkey on Mar 29, 2015 22:10:05 GMT -6
I don't want this to get sideways, but having girls in PE classes kills this...unless they want everyone to kick ass in the class. What are other reasons it couldn't work? Do you think parents would go ape s@#t because Johnny had to do a million burpies and hold a push up for longer than 1 second? First of all I'm not sure how representative of the average HS PE class this is. At mine, a small school with no gym, our PE classes were only first and 4th quarters of the school year (We had Health during Winter). PE classes consisted of jogging a couple of laps, doing some cals, then playing basketball, touch football, or dodgeball of something like that. In the video, they tell you, it was one high school. It was like an experimental high school.
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Mar 29, 2015 23:11:54 GMT -6
Post by bleefb on Mar 29, 2015 23:11:54 GMT -6
First of all I'm not sure how representative of the average HS PE class this is. At mine, a small school with no gym, our PE classes were only first and 4th quarters of the school year (We had Health during Winter). PE classes consisted of jogging a couple of laps, doing some cals, then playing basketball, touch football, or dodgeball of something like that. In the video, they tell you, it was one high school. It was like an experimental high school. Maybe so, but it was being copied by other schools on the Sacramento area, maybe not as successfully. We had a similar framework in 7th grade at my Jr. High there in 1968. We used colored patches instead of shorts except for the top kids. We only had one. He was the best athlete in the school and a PE teachers son. He probably was doing pullups since Kindergarten. He got to wear Gold shorts. I was the short, fat 7th grader who started with no patch, but I do remember being excited about moving up to a red patch. (I think puberty may have helped. I grew 9 inches in 7th grade.) We were also MANDATED to take showers. The coaches would blow a whistle and every kid had to be in the shower or get in trouble. We were also given a clean towel every day to dry off with. By the time I got to high school in 10th grade the program was either gone or had never been there, and was replaced with games and more roll out the ball kind of thing, at least at that school.
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Mar 30, 2015 9:10:47 GMT -6
Post by larrymoe on Mar 30, 2015 9:10:47 GMT -6
Require PE in school. Fail the kids that don't want to participate. Just like you would fail them in English, Math, Reading, etc. Dont dress out = dont get a grade Dont Participate = Dont get a grade Dont achieve SOME level of improvement = dont get a good grade. And when 30-40% of you student population isn't graduating HS in 4 years and the state comes after the school district because of terrible graduation rates, how do you think that's going to go for your program? I can tell you how it will go in today's CYA administration. Your program will change.
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