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Post by coachsticks on Feb 6, 2015 9:33:18 GMT -6
Question: Would you be in favor of an initiative that makes youth football flag-based, and any contact illegal until 9th grade?
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Post by coachbdud on Feb 6, 2015 9:38:50 GMT -6
No
Just need to educate the coaches of the world
Who can in turn educate the players of the world
On how to properly tackle and block without using the helmet
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Post by agap on Feb 6, 2015 9:48:47 GMT -6
Making contact illegal under 7th grade might not be a bad idea, but I think 7th and 8th grade should be tackling. Undersized elementary kids who have to tackle in a youth program might not come out when they get to junior high, even though they have physically caught up with their peers.
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Post by newt21 on Feb 6, 2015 9:51:55 GMT -6
I think it's a terrible idea because it takes away from their tackling experience. The earlier they learn how to tackle properly, the more reps they will get, and the more safe it will be. Just need to make sure that all youth coaches are stressing the proper fundamentals on a daily basis, not trying to play madden through their kids rec games (all x's and o's).
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Post by coachsticks on Feb 6, 2015 10:53:58 GMT -6
I think it's a terrible idea because it takes away from their tackling experience. The earlier they learn how to tackle properly, the more reps they will get, and the more safe it will be. Just need to make sure that all youth coaches are stressing the proper fundamentals on a daily basis, not trying to play madden through their kids rec games (all x's and o's). Do you need pads on to learn how to effectively tackle? Can this instruction be done at an early age on bags instead? |
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Post by newt21 on Feb 6, 2015 11:19:59 GMT -6
I think it's a terrible idea because it takes away from their tackling experience. The earlier they learn how to tackle properly, the more reps they will get, and the more safe it will be. Just need to make sure that all youth coaches are stressing the proper fundamentals on a daily basis, not trying to play madden through their kids rec games (all x's and o's). Do you need pads on to learn how to effectively tackle? Can this instruction be done at an early age on bags instead? No, but what coach is going to take time out of his practice to spend time on a skill that isn't going to be utilized? For example, would you teach your kids how to hit a flop shot in football practice? Seems the same in this regard. |
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Post by 33coach on Feb 6, 2015 13:02:49 GMT -6
Question: Would you be in favor of an initiative that makes youth football flag-based, and any contact illegal until 9th grade? Flag is dumb... If that ever happend i would become a rugby coach the next day. |
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 6, 2015 13:35:41 GMT -6
I think flag is better than pads for ages 6-8 or even 9 year olds. Ages 9-10 is when I think football should start becoming real football....American football that is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 13:49:52 GMT -6
Define "youth."
I've coached 6-8 year olds in a tackle league before. I'd be ok with banishing contact for them. Kids that age are just so awkward and goofy, plus the coaching in the league I was part of left a TON to be desired. We didn't have many major injuries, but I saw stuff on a daily basis in practice and in games that made me wince.
After that, I feel like it's fine to have it, so long as it's taught correctly. By the time kids get to MS, they should be good to tackle.
The biggest issue is making sure it's taught properly by coaches who know what they're doing. We've all cringed when we see or hear coaches who try to be Bear Bryant and make practices with little kids as brutal as they possibly can, or when Coach Daddy tells his kids to spear. Fix that.
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Post by NC1974 on Feb 6, 2015 15:28:34 GMT -6
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Post by veerman on Feb 6, 2015 19:31:09 GMT -6
I would be ok with flag football till the were 9-10..but 6th grade they need to start learning to tackle. Think someone already said, the younges age groups the kids are so awkward anyways no matter what drills you do it's still going to be awkward.
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Post by coachfloyd on Feb 6, 2015 19:40:43 GMT -6
I don't think young kids hit near hard enough for that to be an issue.
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Post by coachrdc on Feb 6, 2015 19:47:28 GMT -6
I feel so awkward saying this at the ripe age of 27, but we didn't have youth football in my day. We didn't play ANY organized football until the spring of our 6th grade year and lo and behold me and ask my buddies knew how to block and tackle. I always have and always will advocate for flag until 6th grade. At my current program we have a youth program that is contact I think starting at age 6. Sorry, I just feel like that is too soon. I've done alot of work with 6th graders since I graduated high school and that sends to be a great age to really start teaching techniques that will stick with kids in the long run. Just my two cents...
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 6, 2015 19:53:53 GMT -6
agap has a point which is why I am glad the youth league our kids play in has heavy and light weight divisions. At the 2-4 grade levels our kids play flag. Starting in 5th grade they play tackle. I would never be in favor of JH/MS football being flag only. I agree with earlier posts about the coaches need to learn how to teach the skills better.
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Post by coach2013 on Feb 10, 2015 6:12:38 GMT -6
Flag football is about speed and finesse. At the youth level, in tackle football, linemen begin to learn to block and control the trenches. The sooner that starts the better. Similarly, shedding blocks, tackling- those are things that are better learned at a young age.
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Post by veerman on Feb 10, 2015 7:40:31 GMT -6
Y'all's youth must be lots better than ours. Our young kids is all about speed, everyone just gives it to their fastest kid and hopes they get around the edge and beats the other teams fastest...no football skills on display, just individual talent at ripe age of 6-7...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 10:04:55 GMT -6
Y'all's youth must be lots better than ours. Our young kids is all about speed, everyone just gives it to their fastest kid and hopes they get around the edge and beats the other teams fastest...no football skills on display, just individual talent at ripe age of 6-7... The good ol' "Fast Kid Right" and "Fast Kid Left." My cousin scored 32 TDs in a youth season on that play when he was 8. |
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Post by 33coach on Feb 10, 2015 10:53:00 GMT -6
Y'all's youth must be lots better than ours. Our young kids is all about speed, everyone just gives it to their fastest kid and hopes they get around the edge and beats the other teams fastest...no football skills on display, just individual talent at ripe age of 6-7... ours is actually pretty good football. most around here either run a sound scheme that they found themselves, or mirror a local HS, its completely up to them what they run, coaches are all pretty good (over 75% are good coaches). not alot of "Daddy ball". but i also think the reason we have good coaches is that we dont burden them with mandatory rules - for example defense - "you must run a 6-2, man coverage, and your linebackers have to be 5 yards off the ball" offense - "you must run 2 back sets with at least 1 TE" that kind of youth ball is absolute garbage, and leads to coaches running something they hate. |
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Post by 33coach on Feb 10, 2015 10:54:46 GMT -6
Y'all's youth must be lots better than ours. Our young kids is all about speed, everyone just gives it to their fastest kid and hopes they get around the edge and beats the other teams fastest...no football skills on display, just individual talent at ripe age of 6-7... The good ol' "Fast Kid Right" and "Fast Kid Left." My cousin scored 32 TDs in a youth season on that play when he was 8. isnt that essentially what 1 back Zone guys do? "Fast guy go make a play"  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 12:25:40 GMT -6
The good ol' "Fast Kid Right" and "Fast Kid Left." My cousin scored 32 TDs in a youth season on that play when he was 8. isnt that essentially what 1 back Zone guys do? "Fast guy go make a play" Nah. That's the Jet and Rocket guys.  Coincidentally, that same cousin grew up to run 4.3 in HS and was his state's POY this season as a TB/Jet Sweeper running pretty much the same play. |
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Post by wingtol on Feb 10, 2015 12:38:44 GMT -6
We have a youth tackle league that run year round indoors and out in our area now. It's owned and operated by the HC of the local power house all boys Catholic school but that is an issue for another day. They star at like 6 I think which is insane. 5th grade is the youngest I think they should start and even then it is close to being to young. I feel it's not even physical so much as mentally being prepared at that age. Sure people will disagree but just MHO.
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Post by 33coach on Feb 10, 2015 14:11:24 GMT -6
We have a youth tackle league that run year round indoors and out in our area now. It's owned and operated by the HC of the local power house all boys Catholic school but that is an issue for another day. They star at like 6 I think which is insane. 5th grade is the youngest I think they should start and even then it is close to being to young. I feel it's not even physical so much as mentally being prepared at that age. Sure people will disagree but just MHO. I dont know grade -> age. But we start tackle at 7. |
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Post by mholst40 on Feb 10, 2015 18:07:03 GMT -6
I am in favor of holding off tackle football until middle school (7th grade). I don't have any sound reasoning for this or scientific studies to reference, but I think 6 years old is WAY too young.
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Post by coachmonkey on Feb 10, 2015 20:43:24 GMT -6
I am in favor of youth football not being full pads. Too many kids put pads on at that age because of pressure from dad or other family and don't really understand it until they get the pads on. Many of them become scared because they weren't truly ready to put pads on yet. I'd rather see them develop athletically more at that age than playing in pads.
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Post by tiger46 on Feb 11, 2015 4:25:58 GMT -6
I grew up in a small town. There was no youth football. No one played football until 7th grade. I can honestly say there was nothing that I learned about tackling in the 7th grade that I couldn't have learned at a much earlier age. In fact, we were not well taught how to tackle at all. In our first game we had two neck/spinal injuries. One was sort of a fluke. Our RB lowered his head to spear a would-be tackler. The tackler hit him just above the ankles and flipped our RB onto his head. He was out of the game and out of football forever. It wasn't even half-time, yet.
The other player that suffered a neck injury was me. I was the smallest player on our team and I hit head-to-head with the other team's large, powerful RB. I was moving at full speed. Luckily for me he hadn't gotten up to full speed. The impact knocked both of us on our a$$es. I stayed in the game because I didn't know how severe a neck injury was. It hurt like he11 and continued to do so for about 2 weeks. I never even missed a practice because our coaches didn't know jack crap about spinal injuries, either. Had there been someone around to have taught us the correct way to tackle and make contact at an earlier age, I don't think either of us would have ever suffered a neck injury.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 5:16:57 GMT -6
I am all for tackle football. I think its one of the best activities any kid any age can participate. Having said that, I am not sure who's side some people are on.
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Post by racehorse on Feb 11, 2015 5:44:16 GMT -6
When I was little, we used to play tackle football in the community lot with no pads. No one ever got more than bumps and bruises. Never any injuries to the neck. Why?
I believe that with a helmet, kids think they are invincible, and use it as a weapon. We learned body control and footwork. We also learned to love the game and yearned for the time we could put the pads on like our heroes.
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Post by fantom on Feb 11, 2015 9:32:48 GMT -6
When I was little, we used to play tackle football in the community lot with no pads. No one ever got more than bumps and bruises. Never any injuries to the neck. Why? I believe that with a helmet, kids think they are invincible, and use it as a weapon. We learned body control and footwork. We also learned to love the game and yearned for the time we could put the pads on like our heroes. I haven't said much here because I don't think that young kids should play tackle or pads. I don't think that they should play organized sports at all. I agree with you. I think that their lives are over-regulated and that they should be playing backyard football and basketball and Calvinball or whatever. Let them just have fun and learn to figure things out for themselves. |
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Post by racehorse on Feb 11, 2015 9:45:40 GMT -6
When I was little, we used to play tackle football in the community lot with no pads. No one ever got more than bumps and bruises. Never any injuries to the neck. Why? I believe that with a helmet, kids think they are invincible, and use it as a weapon. We learned body control and footwork. We also learned to love the game and yearned for the time we could put the pads on like our heroes. I haven't said much here because I don't think that young kids should play tackle or pads. I don't think that they should play organized sports at all. I agree with you. I think that their lives are over-regulated and that they should be playing backyard football and basketball and Calvinball or whatever. Let them just have fun and learn to figure things out for themselves. ...and get rid of video games. Make them go outside and play. |
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Post by fantom on Feb 11, 2015 10:12:23 GMT -6
I haven't said much here because I don't think that young kids should play tackle or pads. I don't think that they should play organized sports at all. I agree with you. I think that their lives are over-regulated and that they should be playing backyard football and basketball and Calvinball or whatever. Let them just have fun and learn to figure things out for themselves. ...and get rid of video games. Make them go outside and play. Absolutely. |
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