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Post by brophy on Mar 21, 2008 16:36:08 GMT -6
Now, this probably won't have much of a direct impact to the average program is insulated from transportation costs, and most folks can write off travel expenses through the program budget....
However, does the economic impact of a falling dollar (=rising fuel price) affect decisions / availability of the peripheral activities associated with sports?
More noteably (probably a good thing) is some parents may see the benefit of the 1-game-a-week-sport convenience of football, as compared to baseball / basketball 100 game schedules.....
I have already heard some parents debating commitments to the travelling baseball/basketball Summer leagues / tourneys because of the near doubling of fuel costs from two years ago.
With Summer 7-on-7 'get-togethers' / practices/ tourneys/ camps, where nothing is really expensed heavily, where we rely on players to show up through their own means (not by school transportation)......will the budgeting of fuel create a pinch?
Also, I know as an assistant, I would routinely travel all over the place to scout other programs and check out other teams in the program (jv/frosh/youth).....but these may turn into luxuries with the extortio ...ah.....exorbitant fuel price.
How do you anticipate this will affect 'non-scheduled' activities this Summer / Season?
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Post by kcbazooka on Mar 21, 2008 16:59:02 GMT -6
I saw an effect last summer. Some of parents/players complained about mileage to away 7-on-7 tournaments
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Post by khalfie on Mar 21, 2008 17:24:16 GMT -6
To hell with parents... I have a co-op between to schools, in two different towns, more than 45+ miles away. That's 90 miles a day... IN THE OFF SEASON! I'm rethinking my entire off-season program... Can't do weightlifting everyday, anymore... Have to wonder about the summer 7 on 7's and how to utilize my 25 contact days. I'm am very scared what the economy will do to my program... I'm not daddy warbucks... could barely make ends meet before... There was never a question about my having to pay to coach... but now... the price may just be a little too high... And I really like how my kids were developing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2008 18:11:17 GMT -6
The program I coached in last year is a co-op, although fortunately the schools were only about 20 or so miles apart. It did effect me personally though--I wasn't able to make a commitment to next season's team and gas prices was one of my main concerns (28 mile one way drive for me to practice). But, the situation has changed and I wouldn't have wanted to go back anyway.
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Post by brophy on Mar 21, 2008 18:16:37 GMT -6
does this help football or hurt us in the long run?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2008 18:22:03 GMT -6
In IL, I think it has to hurt, because co-op situations are becoming somewhat common at the small school level. Kids are having to travel further to participate than kids even as recently as ten years ago did. Most schools do not have the extremes Khalfie's school does, though.
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Post by airraider on Mar 21, 2008 18:27:59 GMT -6
I thinking more along the lines of private schools and what effects it might have on them.. can these inner city kids who may have been waived when it came to tuition, be able to foot the bill of driving 15, 25, 40 miles a day to a from school?
I am getting a nice little surprise.. a 6-3 330lb center who lives just a mile from my school, but had been attending a school around 10 miles away. His mother said she was not going to put up with that drive next year.
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Post by wildcat on Mar 21, 2008 18:29:40 GMT -6
I teach and coach in a relatively big city (about 26,000) and most of the kids live within reasonable walking distance to school. Also, when we go to 7 on 7s, the school will provide the transportation.
With that being said, I do know that our head coach is planning on going to a 3-day a week schedule for the summer as opposed to a 5-day a week schedule for the summer.
It will help me out a lot. I have a 25-mile drive to work and it does get pretty expensive to put gas in the truck, especially with my wife not working.
My head coach does manage to get me a gas card or some camp money or stuff like that (heck, he even gave me a couple of coupons for oil changes last year...every little bit helps!)
Anyway, we are looking to sell our current house and move to where I teach and coach but, with the housing market in the toilet, that is going to be tough to do this summer.
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Post by coachjd on Mar 21, 2008 20:29:29 GMT -6
Our district covers a large area. We have some kids that drive 25+ miles to town each day, and I can say they are not making it to the wgt room as much as they used to. Even the number of kids out for sports this spring is down all across from jr high to varsity and boys and girls.
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Post by poweriguy on Mar 21, 2008 21:15:02 GMT -6
I think it's going to hurt rural programs that need to hire walk-on (non-teacher) coaches. I'm currently not coaching due to going back to school. Now if gas were a buck fifty a gallon, I could both coach and do school. But here in CA, gas is real high and I can't do 15-20 miles one way to coach. And I know a few other coaches who are struggling right now with gas prices as they are now.
Also with our state in another budget crisis, who knows what is going to be cut. I've already heard at my alma mater that varsity coaches are going to get there regular stipend, but JV and lower will have to be volunteers. And where my friend is coaching softball, they recently bought 4 vans and the coaches drive the teams to games, since that is cheaper than paying a bus driver and the fuel for a bus.
So yeah it's going to be interesting hw this is going to shake out.
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Post by leighty on Mar 21, 2008 21:40:10 GMT -6
Aren't vans illegal now?
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Post by k on Mar 22, 2008 4:32:24 GMT -6
If we made them illegal how would we find out who the child molesters are merely by looking at their vehicle? Gas prices are not really that high in my opinion. $4 a gallon isn't that bad although I really wish there was an option other than handing a significant part of that to either Exxon-Mobil, the Government of Venezuela, or something equally as sucky. But alas there is no real choice in where you buy your gas from. Evil corporations or evil countries... Good people don't get into the oil business...
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Post by tedseay on Mar 22, 2008 5:26:42 GMT -6
Good people don't get into the oil business... ...and who can blame them, since governments have prevented the creation of a free market in oil and its derivative products since the days of John D. Rockefeller...
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Post by coachjd on Mar 22, 2008 5:40:34 GMT -6
I don' t know about you, but $4.00 gas is expensive and has changed how much we travel, has changed how we shop for groceries, it has changed our summer vacation plans, it has changed our opinion on hooking our boat up and taking it to lakes all over the state. If we made them illegal how would we find out who the child molesters are merely by looking at their vehicle? Gas prices are not really that high in my opinion. $4 a gallon isn't that bad although I really wish there was an option other than handing a significant part of that to either Exxon-Mobil, the Government of Venezuela, or something equally as sucky. But alas there is no real choice in where you buy your gas from. Evil corporations or evil countries... Good people don't get into the oil business...
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Post by k on Mar 22, 2008 7:18:40 GMT -6
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Post by k on Mar 22, 2008 7:32:05 GMT -6
I don' t know about you, but $4.00 gas is expensive and has changed how much we travel, has changed how we shop for groceries, it has changed our summer vacation plans, it has changed our opinion on hooking our boat up and taking it to lakes all over the state. Oh I'm not saying that it won't change how some people use gasoline. I'm just saying it won't effect me. If your pickup is getting 9 mpg before you attach the party boat to the back you probably need to use less no doubt about it. $4 a gallon isn't the end of the world. Even $7 a gallon wouldn't be the end of the world. I just wish the profits were not going to horrible people such as Hugo Chavez or Rex Tillerson.
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 22, 2008 11:36:03 GMT -6
I have not noticed our numbers dropping off in any alarming way. I have noticed fewer kids coming to camp in the summer and when asked it does have to do with getting time off work. Presumably they need the money to pay for the gas in thier cars.
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Post by coachturley on Mar 22, 2008 11:50:04 GMT -6
I know that some school districts in oklahoma are putting a limit on how far teams can travel....especially the smaller sports programs..... Title IX explosion in 3...2...1......
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Post by sgvcoach on Mar 22, 2008 11:55:37 GMT -6
Get a Prius!!!!
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Post by sgvcoach on Mar 22, 2008 11:56:42 GMT -6
To add to that the best thing would be stuffing 3 or 4 linemen in there and then when you get to your destination it looks like Ringling Brothers.
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Post by coachturley on Mar 22, 2008 12:45:34 GMT -6
.....let the skill guys ride on top....or in the trunk....do those little cars have trunks???
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Post by baraboo99 on Mar 22, 2008 13:56:44 GMT -6
I don' t know about you, but $4.00 gas is expensive and has changed how much we travel, has changed how we shop for groceries, it has changed our summer vacation plans, it has changed our opinion on hooking our boat up and taking it to lakes all over the state. You think US gas prices are bad... money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/
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Post by realdawg on Mar 22, 2008 15:26:35 GMT -6
The rising prices do affect our program. Not just in our participation, but in our budget as well. In our district each sport has to pay the county $1 a mile that they travel on the activity buses. That number was .33 a mile 3 years ago. However, no money has been added to our budget in that time. You do the simple math-we are broke!
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Post by briangilbert on Mar 22, 2008 18:59:17 GMT -6
The answer is simple make Football the ONLY Fall Sport!
NO MORE SOCCER!!
(I can dream)
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Post by wildcat on Mar 23, 2008 8:31:06 GMT -6
The answer is simple make Football the ONLY Fall Sport! NO MORE SOCCER!! (I can dream) Their are enough liberals who think football is too violent. You ought to be worried that they will do just the opposite, rid of football and make everybody play soccer. It makes us more like the Europeans. Trust that is what so many people want. Who wants this? Are you claiming that there is some kind of liberal conspiracy to abolish football? I think I must have missed that exchange in the previous Democratic debates... And, while I am at it...what kind of guy posts on a football coach's message board with a name like "liberalhater"? What does that have to do with football in the least?
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 23, 2008 9:56:31 GMT -6
I helped with JV basketball this year, and I had to drive a van to EVERY ONE of our games, because we only had 8 kids on our team... A bus costs the district $800 to drive, and a van costs about $200. We are even thinking about having to drive vans to our 7-on-7's this summer because of the fuel prices kids in our area cannot get there by themselves.
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Post by brophy on Mar 23, 2008 11:20:29 GMT -6
start your own thread, Limbaugh.
Just seeing how long we could stay focussed on the effect on programs, that are comprised of coaches, players, families, and community resources....that are all (typically) impacted by rising transportation costs.
No different than asking if your program would be effected if the liability insurance your program uses doubles their premium rates.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Mar 23, 2008 23:19:47 GMT -6
Powder Blue even...(only Jeff Dunham fans will get that one, lol)
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Post by tedseay on Mar 24, 2008 4:35:38 GMT -6
Amen, brother!
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Post by brophy on Mar 24, 2008 14:20:31 GMT -6
money.cnn.com/2008/03/24/news/economy/camden_alabama/index.htm?cnn=yesJust a thought - but should we be looking at this NOW, to see how it possibly might impact us over the summer (in-season)? Every program parent-base is different and it may / may not effect the people associated with our kids..... ...such as looking at establishing a car-pool or something for summer workouts / 'practices' (you can sell it as a way to save gas, but it really helps promote attendance and team-building). ...a way to reach out to fund-raising donors this quarter before the (1st qtr) expenditures take their toll on 2nd qtr expense plans. ...find ways to save on the pre-game team (family) dinners, so it doesn't become a larger burden than it was just a few years ago.
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