|
Post by outlawjoseywales on Aug 7, 2014 9:48:01 GMT -6
We are all doing many things and having to do many things, we didn't do before because of lawsuits. Pretty much it. I had to "re-up" the fingerprint FBI stuff last year, and take state mandated concussion class and heat regulation on line class every year. This year we got to take an hour online Head's Up class mandated by our conference that HAD to be finished before the 1st day of practice. Sadly, I waited until Monday to do it. I wasn't procrastinating, I was just waiting until I was older and wiser before I took the class. These are all things that we have to do because of lawyers. I know what it feels like to be sued-not good. As lawyers find more and more ways to sue us, there will be more and more online classes for us to take. That's just how it is. I've never had a staff coach "dating" high school cheerleaders, but I DID have a staff coach ban...err..."dating" the cheerleader coach until her husband caught them, does that count? I hated the guy anyway.
|
|
|
Post by irishdog on Aug 11, 2014 8:10:27 GMT -6
I work in a small Catholic hs in Texas. Our coaches have to take a diocesan required child protection seminar, are required to take the state association coaches' test, background check and fingerprints, and required to take an "approved" CPR/First Aid class offered by the school. ALL coaches. Full-time, or off-campus. If they don't…they don't coach. Public school coaches in Texas MUST be "on-staff". No walk-on coaches allowed. ALL must take the state coaches exam, but am not sure what else they are required to take.
Makes things much more difficult for HC's and AD's when it comes to hiring. But let's face it…there are a BUNCH of people who call themselves "coaches" today that have no business working with young people. Just go to your nearest AAU basketball tournament, or youth football association if you need proof.
|
|
|
Post by jlenwood on Aug 11, 2014 9:42:15 GMT -6
But let's face it…there are a BUNCH of people who call themselves "coaches" today that have no business working with young people. Just go to your nearest AAU basketball tournament, or youth football association if you need proof. But let's face it...there are a BUNCH of coaches that call themselves "teachers" who have no business working with young people. Just go to your nearest low performing school, or ask a school board member if you need proof. That line of reasoning that Texas uses, as well as your last comment about non-teacher coaches confirms the premise of my original post, that there is very little common sense left in the school systems any more.
|
|
|
Post by irishdog on Aug 11, 2014 17:33:56 GMT -6
But let's face it…there are a BUNCH of people who call themselves "coaches" today that have no business working with young people. Just go to your nearest AAU basketball tournament, or youth football association if you need proof. But let's face it...there are a BUNCH of coaches that call themselves "teachers" who have no business working with young people. Just go to your nearest low performing school, or ask a school board member if you need proof. That line of reasoning that Texas uses, as well as your last comment about non-teacher coaches confirms the premise of my original post, that there is very little common sense left in the school systems any more. Without giving away my age I've been coaching and teaching for a LONG time. I've hired teaching coaches, and non-teaching coaches. While the majority of the better coaches I worked with were teaching coaches, a few of the non-teaching coaches were outstanding. But like anything else they were the exceptions to the rule. Granted, there are "teachers" who have no business working with young people as the low performance schools they are placed in, or school board members who hire them "pretend" to know something about educating a child. Don't have to look much further than a teachers union to validate that claim. As far as Texas is concerned the biggest concern with them is that they may have too much common sense.
|
|
|
Post by fballcoachg on Aug 11, 2014 18:30:51 GMT -6
But let's face it…there are a BUNCH of people who call themselves "coaches" today that have no business working with young people. Just go to your nearest AAU basketball tournament, or youth football association if you need proof. But let's face it...there are a BUNCH of coaches that call themselves "teachers" who have no business working with young people. Just go to your nearest low performing school, or ask a school board member if you need proof. That line of reasoning that Texas uses, as well as your last comment about non-teacher coaches confirms the premise of my original post, that there is very little common sense left in the school systems any more. The line of reasoning that low performing schools are a result of teachers that have no business working with young people is proof that there is very little common sense.
|
|
|
Post by jlenwood on Aug 11, 2014 19:31:12 GMT -6
But let's face it...there are a BUNCH of coaches that call themselves "teachers" who have no business working with young people. Just go to your nearest low performing school, or ask a school board member if you need proof. That line of reasoning that Texas uses, as well as your last comment about non-teacher coaches confirms the premise of my original post, that there is very little common sense left in the school systems any more. The line of reasoning that low performing schools are a result of teachers that have no business working with young people is proof that there is very little common sense. So you are saying that there are no low performing teachers at low performing schools? Look my response was to the train of thought that seems to be in some states that you can only be a coach if you teach was proof of no common sense in the education field. I have stated this before, and I will say it again, the fact that you are a school teacher does not automatically make you a coach, and the thought, or in this case the law, that you must be one to be the other makes NO SENSE at all. I agree that the majority of coaches being teachers is not a bad thing, it just seems to me that a state would certainly shrink the talent pool by limiting/discriminating against non-teachers. And your statement about most AAU and youth programs is probably spot on, however I have seen some teachers that are only after another stipend, and could care less about the sport or the kids they are coaching. The example I always think of is the retired NFL coach or College coach that may live in your community wants to get involved and be a coach, but wait--he's no teacher-- how could we possibly hire him! That is outrageous.
|
|
|
Post by coachd5085 on Aug 11, 2014 20:37:13 GMT -6
So you are saying that there are no low performing teachers at low performing schools? Look my response was to the train of thought that seems to be in some states that you can only be a coach if you teach was proof of no common sense in the education field. I have stated this before, and I will say it again, the fact that you are a school teacher does not automatically make you a coach, and the thought, or in this case the law, that you must be one to be the other makes NO SENSE at all. I agree that the majority of coaches being teachers is not a bad thing, it just seems to me that a state would certainly shrink the talent pool by limiting/discriminating against non-teachers. And your statement about most AAU and youth programs is probably spot on, however I have seen some teachers that are only after another stipend, and could care less about the sport or the kids they are coaching. The example I always think of is the retired NFL coach or College coach that may live in your community wants to get involved and be a coach, but wait--he's no teacher-- how could we possibly hire him! That is outrageous. It actually makes a fairly good amount of sense--not from the POV of the best possible football outcome, but from the POV of the district and CONTROL and standardization. I know if I were an administrator I would MUCH prefer the control aspect of having coaches who were making their Mortgage payments from Teacher Salary checks than I would having coaches who could take it or leave it.
|
|
|
Post by jlenwood on Aug 11, 2014 20:41:39 GMT -6
So you are saying that there are no low performing teachers at low performing schools? Look my response was to the train of thought that seems to be in some states that you can only be a coach if you teach was proof of no common sense in the education field. I have stated this before, and I will say it again, the fact that you are a school teacher does not automatically make you a coach, and the thought, or in this case the law, that you must be one to be the other makes NO SENSE at all. I agree that the majority of coaches being teachers is not a bad thing, it just seems to me that a state would certainly shrink the talent pool by limiting/discriminating against non-teachers. And your statement about most AAU and youth programs is probably spot on, however I have seen some teachers that are only after another stipend, and could care less about the sport or the kids they are coaching. The example I always think of is the retired NFL coach or College coach that may live in your community wants to get involved and be a coach, but wait--he's no teacher-- how could we possibly hire him! That is outrageous. It actually makes a fairly good amount of sense--not from the POV of the best possible football outcome, but from the POV of the district and CONTROL and standardization. I know if I were an administrator I would MUCH prefer the control aspect of having coaches who were making their Mortgage payments from Teacher Salary checks than I would having coaches who could take it or leave it. But shouldn't the best possible outcome for the football team be the main concern? The control aspect bothers me also. Our HC is a teacher and a terrific coach, however I believe he makes some decisions out of fear of losing his teaching job, or getting on the bad side of some administrator.
|
|
|
Post by Underdeveloped on Aug 11, 2014 21:39:54 GMT -6
My AD was my basketball coach and he used to always bring in former players to scrimmage us during season. I am now the head football coach, he is still AD and he won't allow former players at my practice. It's a double standard and is nonsense. Our current basketball coach has his son (still in college) regularly attend games and practice and sit on sideline or practice vs bball team. Basketball guys can do it but I can't??? Makes no sense.
I just bring them anyway. Deceitful? Maybe... Dishonest? Maybe.... Tired of being treated like crap? Yes
|
|
|
Post by irishdog on Aug 12, 2014 14:55:18 GMT -6
The line of reasoning that low performing schools are a result of teachers that have no business working with young people is proof that there is very little common sense. So you are saying that there are no low performing teachers at low performing schools? Look my response was to the train of thought that seems to be in some states that you can only be a coach if you teach was proof of no common sense in the education field. I have stated this before, and I will say it again, the fact that you are a school teacher does not automatically make you a coach, and the thought, or in this case the law, that you must be one to be the other makes NO SENSE at all. I agree that the majority of coaches being teachers is not a bad thing, it just seems to me that a state would certainly shrink the talent pool by limiting/discriminating against non-teachers. And your statement about most AAU and youth programs is probably spot on, however I have seen some teachers that are only after another stipend, and could care less about the sport or the kids they are coaching. The example I always think of is the retired NFL coach or College coach that may live in your community wants to get involved and be a coach, but wait--he's no teacher-- how could we possibly hire him! That is outrageous. There are plenty of guys out there who aren't teachers that might make really good coaches. Regardless of all the hoops they have to jump through nowadays to become a coach why do most of them bag it? So my question is this…If their intent is to coach, and they are truly making that decision to get involved for the sake of the kids, why wouldn't they jump through the hoops?
|
|
|
Post by jlenwood on Aug 12, 2014 17:07:16 GMT -6
So you are saying that there are no low performing teachers at low performing schools? Look my response was to the train of thought that seems to be in some states that you can only be a coach if you teach was proof of no common sense in the education field. I have stated this before, and I will say it again, the fact that you are a school teacher does not automatically make you a coach, and the thought, or in this case the law, that you must be one to be the other makes NO SENSE at all. I agree that the majority of coaches being teachers is not a bad thing, it just seems to me that a state would certainly shrink the talent pool by limiting/discriminating against non-teachers. And your statement about most AAU and youth programs is probably spot on, however I have seen some teachers that are only after another stipend, and could care less about the sport or the kids they are coaching. The example I always think of is the retired NFL coach or College coach that may live in your community wants to get involved and be a coach, but wait--he's no teacher-- how could we possibly hire him! That is outrageous. There are plenty of guys out there who aren't teachers that might make really good coaches. Regardless of all the hoops they have to jump through nowadays to become a coach why do most of them bag it? So my question is this…If their intent is to coach, and they are truly making that decision to get involved for the sake of the kids, why wouldn't they jump through the hoops? Are you asking why not become a teacher? Or are you asking why not put up with the BS and become a coach?
|
|
|
Post by coachklee on Aug 12, 2014 21:09:00 GMT -6
But let's face it...there are a BUNCH of coaches that call themselves "teachers" who have no business working with young people. Just go to your nearest low performing school, or ask a school board member if you need proof. That line of reasoning that Texas uses, as well as your last comment about non-teacher coaches confirms the premise of my original post, that there is very little common sense left in the school systems any more. Without giving away my age I've been coaching and teaching for a LONG time. I've hired teaching coaches, and non-teaching coaches. While the majority of the better coaches I worked with were teaching coaches, a few of the non-teaching coaches were outstanding. But like anything else they were the exceptions to the rule. Granted, there are "teachers" who have no business working with young people as the low performance schools they are placed in, or school board members who hire them "pretend" to know something about educating a child. Don't have to look much further than a teachers union to validate that claim. As far as Texas is concerned the biggest concern with them is that they may have too much common sense. Don't mess with Texas! Btw, I'm in Michigan.
|
|