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Post by nltdiego on Jun 26, 2014 21:55:19 GMT -6
Guys,
I have gotten the injury bug the last few years and thinking of changing the concept of practice. We usually hit each day but never take kids to the ground. I have heard different approaches to not doing this and to doing this.
I was hoping to get a valuable assessment and opinion on what you do and why?
My concern - hit too much and get hurt later in year OR don't hit and get hurt because teams are more physical then you.
Thoughts?
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Post by dougefresh on Jun 26, 2014 22:11:06 GMT -6
We hit Tuesdays and Wednesdays but as the season goes longer the less and less we teach full to ground or anything and more repitition of technique.
But in texas you only get two full practices with pads pretty much.
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Post by 33coach on Jun 26, 2014 23:43:26 GMT -6
We go thud and control 99% of the time.
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Post by realdawg on Jun 27, 2014 3:44:02 GMT -6
Never take a kid to the ground after the first couple of days we can hit. We will do some full speed stuff in Indy where everything is nice and controlled, and we tell the fronts they are live during group like inside and team.
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Post by bluboy on Jun 27, 2014 6:16:31 GMT -6
On Tuesdays we have an 8 play full speed scrimmage. The first offense vs the best available defense. The offense must gain 12 yards in 3 downs. After that, every thing we do during the week is thud. In fact on Wed. and Thurs. (we play Fri. nights) we go out in helmets and shoulder pads. We have found that our kids are fresher at the end of the year, as well as ready to go on Friday nights.
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Post by coachjm on Jun 27, 2014 6:30:01 GMT -6
We run 1 or two periods (5 minutes) of full speed live contact a week the rest we generally try and focus on technique and fundamentals, pursuit, or go full speed vs. bags.
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Post by dlundberg on Jun 27, 2014 6:59:52 GMT -6
May I ask as to the nature of some of the injuries? They may not be related to the contact. I have found that a lot of injuries happen when guys get lazy or aren't going as hard as the guys around them. This causes them to get rolled up, knocked/thrown down, and receive the punishment rather than give it. I feel that hitting is fine, as long as your team can go at full tempo without taking kids to the ground. Maybe the kids do not realize that they are still supposed to go full speed without tackling? Just a thought, I hate to see kids get hurt so hope that or someone else can help!
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Post by tigercoach11 on Jun 27, 2014 7:31:57 GMT -6
I guess Im different than many. We hit every week the same routine starting the week of game 1 til our last (obviously 2-a-days is a little different schedule). I wouldnt say we go all out "full contact" every drill nor do we run "oklahoma" daily but we hit and there is some full speed aspect at least a couple times a week. In fact one of our rules is if you are planning on playing on Fri then you need to participate in at least one contact practice. This is for injured players that may be back that week. We may limit their contact/drills but if they wanna play they have to have contact during the week. And we finished with 30 on roster last year no injuries that kept anyone out of a game from practice, guess its in how you control it. We pride ourselves on being one of if not the most physical team in the state, and just personally dont think we can do that if we dont hit during the week
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Post by tango on Jun 27, 2014 13:30:31 GMT -6
First offensive series of a JV game with the ball on your 1 yard line and you go for it. What are you doing? Hay man you are the DC and its your job to stop them.
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Post by macdiiddy on Jun 27, 2014 20:18:51 GMT -6
Indy periods and tackling stations are very rarely live to the ground (As far as tackling is concerned).
Mondays are normally instructional days, very minimal team period.
Tuesdays are normally our longer team segments. At Least 20 minutes.
Wednesdays are service days. It really depends on how the Offense and Defense have been doing. If we need more team, more indy, or we need to rest up; The HC decides on what will best service the team.
Thursdays are walkthrough.
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Post by silkyice on Jun 27, 2014 20:31:33 GMT -6
During spring training and August, we hit live a lot.
During game week, we only hit live on Tuesdays for 5-15 minutes and it is all out live to the ground with live cutting.
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Post by mhs99 on Jun 27, 2014 21:24:25 GMT -6
We use to kill each other 3 days a week on game weeks when we had big numbers and I was a young and stupid 30 year old HC. Now we only go live for 2 days in the preseason, BUT we also have 4 scrimmages in the preseason instead of 3 and get 30-40 reps for 1's and some 2's, so we do still get live.
We still tackle a lot (1-2 times per game week), just a lot of form and thud stuff.
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Post by s73 on Jun 28, 2014 6:26:35 GMT -6
On Tuesdays we have an 8 play full speed scrimmage. The first offense vs the best available defense. The offense must gain 12 yards in 3 downs. After that, every thing we do during the week is thud. In fact on Wed. and Thurs. (we play Fri. nights) we go out in helmets and shoulder pads. We have found that our kids are fresher at the end of the year, as well as ready to go on Friday nights. This is us to a tee. We hit (thud) but never to the ground. Once we are in full pads, if our kids are practicing well and working hard then by about week 3-4 we start going helmets and shoulder pads only on Wed. Mondays and Thursdays are already shells only. I want them fully padded on Tuesdays so they still get one day of full pads other than the game just to get acclimated to full pads and the heat, etc. The kids kind of know at some point that this is coming during the season, it's just kind of a "feel" thing for me. Kind of a "have we worked hard enough to earn it" type of thing. With that being said, the two rules I have about it is, first don't ask me when we are going to start doing it. If anybody asks me, then we go full pads that day. The second rule is if we don't practice a little harder since we are "lighter and cooler" we are back to full pads the next week for an undisclosed amount of time. With that being said, the first announcement we are going S/Pads only during the season is usually a very enthusiastic practice. In MY MIND I feel like the practice to play ratio for FB is so much higher than any other sport that I need to take SOME responsibility to make practices more tolerable. I know some old timers out their might "scoff" at this notion, but my response to that would be that "back in the day" we weren't lifting year round, we weren't practicing in June/ July, etc. KIds are asked to do more than ever before so to me this is a way to "sell it" to them. JMO. PS - Also MAJOR cost savings on practice pants. They do not get nearly as worn when you do this. No kidding. |
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Post by irishdog on Jun 28, 2014 8:58:04 GMT -6
We find out who our football players are the first two weeks of practice. On single practice days we are in full gear live drills. On double session days we are in full gear live for the defensive practice only; thud, bags, sleds for the offensive practice. After school practices we hit during our fundamentals (blocking/tackling) session (10 minutes), and during our inside run period (10 minutes). Everything else is thud and against bags or sleds. Overall our practice injuries have declined by almost 90%.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jun 28, 2014 16:51:45 GMT -6
2 - a days only.
Otherwise, we will thud up. The risk of injury is too high and we ultimately want to be as fresh as possible for Friday.
This is valuable especially at smaller schools where kids play multiple and vital positions and your backups are 9th and 10th graders.
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Post by coachab21 on Jun 28, 2014 17:21:50 GMT -6
Wisconsin just put limits on full contact at high school level starting this year, 75 mins for week 2 and 60 mins for each week after
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Post by dubber on Jun 28, 2014 18:25:08 GMT -6
I like full speed when it comes to block destruction, but when it comes to tackling thud is fine.
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Post by loop21572 on Jun 28, 2014 20:04:04 GMT -6
Practice is always thud although if a DT/Blitzer gets through clean it may go to the ground.
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Post by spreadpowero on Jun 30, 2014 8:36:19 GMT -6
During game week, we only hit when doing defense. We are strong believers that you must tackle the man to the ground during team defense.
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Post by 33coach on Jun 30, 2014 8:53:25 GMT -6
During game week, we only hit when doing defense. We are strong believers that you must tackle the man to the ground during team defense. coach, how many live reps do you run in team defense? is it scripted or not? |
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Post by coach2013 on Jun 30, 2014 13:39:35 GMT -6
We are going to hit the snots out of tackling dummies. We don't have enough bodies or depth to continue to go live and give our own guys concussions.
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Post by spreadpowero on Jun 30, 2014 15:31:51 GMT -6
During game week, we only hit when doing defense. We are strong believers that you must tackle the man to the ground during team defense. coach, how many live reps do you run in team defense? is it scripted or not? We go until our DC is happy, which can take a while. Plays are not scripted. |
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Post by 33coach on Jun 30, 2014 16:09:57 GMT -6
coach, how many live reps do you run in team defense? is it scripted or not? We go until our DC is happy, which can take a while. Plays are not scripted. sounds alittle more rough then i want to be. we script 1 series - whatever the average series length is for the opponent. |
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Post by irishdog on Jul 3, 2014 8:58:42 GMT -6
We are going to hit the snots out of tackling dummies. We don't have enough bodies or depth to continue to go live and give our own guys concussions. I'm with you brother! Lots of sled work, bags, technique, technique, technique! By Friday our kids are so amped up to hit someone I don't have to bother "inspiring" them to do so. |
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 3, 2014 9:17:51 GMT -6
I plan on changing it this year.
Pursuit is more important than individual tackling, IMO. I am not saying that tackling ain't important it is. But 11 dawgs running to the ball is most important.
We are going to go THUD on Monday and Wednesday and Full on Tuesday.
We have 2 do a week in helmets b4 full pads and once we do get in full pads we are 2 days full each week then we play.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 5, 2014 11:28:27 GMT -6
I plan on changing it this year. Pursuit is more important than individual tackling, IMO. I am not saying that tackling ain't important it is. But 11 dawgs running to the ball is most important. We are going to go THUD on Monday and Wednesday and Full on Tuesday. We have 2 do a week in helmets b4 full pads and once we do get in full pads we are 2 days full each week then we play. To piggy back on your statement, fitting your gaps and having leverage inside and outside the ball carrier is more important than individual tackling. |
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Post by Coach.A on Jul 6, 2014 7:59:29 GMT -6
I think kids need to hit everyday otherwise they will be soft soft football will lose you football games Hahah, then the band plays, everybody's happy! Love your videos Coach Rudy! |
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Post by coachdawhip on Jul 6, 2014 8:05:29 GMT -6
I think kids need to hit everyday otherwise they will be soft soft football will lose you football games Should I tell that to my state's back to back state champions then? Because they don't? |
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Post by blb on Jul 6, 2014 8:27:23 GMT -6
Our state is limiting us to two "collision" practices a week in-season now.
We have never taken BC to ground or hit our own guys below waist then.
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Post by 19coach78 on Jul 6, 2014 8:51:07 GMT -6
We do a tackling circuit 3 days a week. once in a great while we take out the splatter pad and tackle onto it, early in the year everything else we stay up. On Thur with a Sat game, we are in uppers and do Open field and Vuce tackle..2 on 1 with LB's and DB's where they tag off, will also do some Fit Form drills on hand shields with the DL, or the 1 man tackle back, but again not to the ground.
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