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Post by larrymoe on May 19, 2014 13:23:52 GMT -6
I was being serious. Why do you need to get there so early?
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Post by georgefred86 on May 19, 2014 13:35:33 GMT -6
We always plan on arriving 2 hours ahead of time but usually, because of traffic or a slow bus driver ... we arrive 90 minutes to an hour and 45 minutes ahead of game time. This gives our guys a chance to get off the bus, move around, get taped, take care of their usual home game routine (when most usually start arriving around 2 hours ahead of time). Our skill guys are out at 6:00 and the big boys join us at 6:15 for the rest of pregame.
Also I coached with 2 previous coaches that were always arriving either just on time or late, and I personally do not like the feeling of being rushed. Also, if anything is ever forgotten or left behind ... it allows for us to get to the stadium in time for kickoff.
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Post by blb on May 19, 2014 15:55:11 GMT -6
I was being serious. Why do you need to get there so early?
You have to get to get to the game early so you can worry.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 20, 2014 19:36:26 GMT -6
When I was a kid the TV had to be off during dinner. No one was to answer the phone and don't act like you don't like anything on your plate. Times have changed. Change lanes or get passed! That is my rule in my house now. Me and the middle chap is getting ready to have a throw down over #3. Rules are what you make them. If they are just rules, then they will be broken. If rules are reasons for doing something important, then they will be followed. (with reasonable enforcement) So far as the 3 above rules; supper time is the time for family. I am not home a lot for this b/c of football, but when daddy is home then we will be focused on fellowship. So far as the 'not liking ...........'; both my wife and I come from families that didn't always have the means for food. You don't have to like it, but you better dame sure appreciate that you got a plate full in front of you. We want to be able to enjoy the time together, not be focused on or worry about the et cetera. Regardless, again rules are what you make them. If you have a rule for media, then the team better understand WHY you have the rule in place and the REASON that you are willing to enforce it. Times have changed, but while rules may change, you don't have to change the WHY and the REASON for having a rule.
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Post by osceola on May 21, 2014 18:21:16 GMT -6
Here is what we have done and I like it. We go to a part of the high school and watch a movie for home games. Usually a sports movie. During this time they can get on their phones all they want. We do this until 5:30. At 5:30 we head back to the locker room, and they put everything on, and carry their shoulder pads and helmets down to the little field house we have at the stadium. By this time it is 6:00 and all cell phones get left in the locker room. We have position meetings from 6-6:30 and at 6:30 pre game routines and all that begin.
Same thing for away games.....on the bus rides they have phones and a ton of freedom.....once we get there....no cell phones, meetings begin, and were on the field warming up quick.
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Post by jdsc55 on May 21, 2014 19:14:06 GMT -6
We've never had a problem with cell phones, texting, etc at my current school. I think if it ever became an issue with players I think you should handle it with that individual or group of players. I'm not a fan of blanket punishments for the whole team because of the actions of a few. I relate this to receiving all staff emails about some menial task from administrators at school when it's only 2-3 teachers not doing what they're supposed to be doing. Just go deal with the problem directly with those directly involved to the situation.
Like others have said, everyone focuses differently before a game...we have players and coaches that sleep on buses and others that listen to music while some just sit quietly and think about who knows what...
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Post by PSS on May 21, 2014 19:37:29 GMT -6
I was being serious. Why do you need to get there so early? Why not? I know after we have taped kids we then have position meetings, O & D. Answer any last minute questions, etc. Then we meet as a offensive unit then defensive unit. All this before going out for pre-game. Everything is a routine and we stick by it. The kids know what to expect. Specialist are on the field an hour before the game.
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Post by gators1422 on May 21, 2014 21:37:54 GMT -6
Twe aren't strict on the whole cell phone thing. Our schedule is as follows. 3:20 out of school 3:40 locker room 3:45 walk over to eat 4:15 walk thru on field, basically just defensive alignments last min questions 4:20-5:30 off the feet, lay down play on phone whatever. 5:30-6 start getting ready,tape whatever 6:10 kickers qb and centers 6:20 skill people 6:45 lineman 7:10 back to locker room 7:30 kickoff
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Post by larrymoe on May 22, 2014 8:17:48 GMT -6
I was being serious. Why do you need to get there so early? Why not? I know after we have taped kids we then have position meetings, O & D. Answer any last minute questions, etc. Then we meet as a offensive unit then defensive unit. All this before going out for pre-game. Everything is a routine and we stick by it. The kids know what to expect. Specialist are on the field an hour before the game. Seems like an incredibly long time to get somewhere before a game to me. If you have an over an hour bus ride, do you still try to get there 2 hours in advance?
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Post by PSS on May 24, 2014 15:58:20 GMT -6
Why not? I know after we have taped kids we then have position meetings, O & D. Answer any last minute questions, etc. Then we meet as a offensive unit then defensive unit. All this before going out for pre-game. Everything is a routine and we stick by it. The kids know what to expect. Specialist are on the field an hour before the game. Seems like an incredibly long time to get somewhere before a game to me. If you have an over an hour bus ride, do you still try to get there 2 hours in advance? For the reasons I stated we get there at least 2 hours early. Myself and another coach do the taping. Looking back, we are actually off the field 20 minutes before the game starts so specialist go out at 5:45 for a 7 p.m. game. I believe the meetings are important, especially after a long bus ride because it helps to refocus the players to the task at hand.
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 25, 2014 22:11:38 GMT -6
No personal items on short trips (school bus)
We allow them on long trips (coach bus)
I think everyone should sleep. No talking on the short trips period. No talking on the way home post-loss. When we take 2-3 hour trips we watch a movie.
For home games no personal items out 30 min before warm ups. If we play at 4 they go up at 3. If we play at 6 they go up at 4:30 or so.
When we wait from 3-5 to leave we eat and hang out in the computer lab so they usually watch Hudl on their own- I love my current kids, they sit around 2-3 computers and watch film while the coaches bs and watch a movie!
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2014 9:48:03 GMT -6
Seems like an incredibly long time to get somewhere before a game to me. If you have an over an hour bus ride, do you still try to get there 2 hours in advance? For the reasons I stated we get there at least 2 hours early. Myself and another coach do the taping. Looking back, we are actually off the field 20 minutes before the game starts so specialist go out at 5:45 for a 7 p.m. game. I believe the meetings are important, especially after a long bus ride because it helps to refocus the players to the task at hand. Fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 11:30:55 GMT -6
No personal items on short trips (school bus) We allow them on long trips (coach bus) I think everyone should sleep. No talking on the short trips period. No talking on the way home post-loss. When we take 2-3 hour trips we watch a movie. For home games no personal items out 30 min before warm ups. If we play at 4 they go up at 3. If we play at 6 they go up at 4:30 or so. When we wait from 3-5 to leave we eat and hang out in the computer lab so they usually watch Hudl on their own- I love my current kids, they sit around 2-3 computers and watch film while the coaches bs and watch a movie! What's gained from no talking on the bus on the way home from a loss? I know that's considered an "old school" tactic; I've just never seen any benefit from it.
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Post by larrymoe on May 26, 2014 12:19:36 GMT -6
What's gained from no talking on the bus on the way home from a loss? I know that's considered an "old school" tactic; I've just never seen any benefit from it. Agreed. What's done is done. Move on and get ready for the next week. That's kind of why I made the statements in celebration thread I did. Whether we win or lose, it's over. Move on. Next.
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Post by blb on May 27, 2014 5:42:48 GMT -6
BITD most coaches had military experience, either WWII or Korea.
So a lot of their coaching methods were a result of that training, including calisthenics for warm-up that would pass for conditioning now, and no talking on bus to games or on way home after a loss - like a unit on patrol.
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Post by IronmanFootball on May 27, 2014 7:57:59 GMT -6
It's important for growth to know what losing feels like. If you celebrate a win the same as a loss, what's the difference?
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Post by blb on May 27, 2014 8:09:30 GMT -6
It's important for growth to know what losing feels like. If you celebrate a win the same as a loss, what's the difference?
There is a difference between celebrating and commiserating.
How can a coach "order" them how to feel?
They either care, or they don't.
And there will be very few HS kids who care as much as we coaches.
Besides, it's HS football, not war (sorry, Ted).
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Post by fantom on May 27, 2014 8:23:10 GMT -6
I think that it depends on how long the bus ride is. I don't think it's too much to ask kids to keep it quiet for a half-hour, not dead silent but they don't need to be laughing and singing. If the ride is over an hour, well the funeral can only last so long.
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Post by larrymoe on May 27, 2014 8:57:06 GMT -6
There is a difference between celebrating and commiserating.
How can a coach "order" them how to feel?
They either care, or they don't.
And there will be very few HS kids who care as much as we coaches.
Besides, it's HS football, not war (sorry, Ted).
Agreed about a billion times over. It's a game.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 13:43:12 GMT -6
It's important for growth to know what losing feels like. If you celebrate a win the same as a loss, what's the difference? If you order them to be quiet, they aren't being quiet because they lost. They are being quiet because you ordered them too. Our bus rides home after losses aren't joyous occasions, but we don't order the kids to be quiet either.
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Post by fantom on May 27, 2014 13:52:40 GMT -6
It's important for growth to know what losing feels like. If you celebrate a win the same as a loss, what's the difference? If you order them to be quiet, they aren't being quiet because they lost. They are being quiet because you ordered them too. Our bus rides home after losses aren't joyous occasions, but we don't order the kids to be quiet either. If that's why they're quiet, fine. I'll give you another good reason why I want them to be quiet- so that they don't annoy ME.
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Post by larrymoe on May 27, 2014 15:30:42 GMT -6
If you order them to be quiet, they aren't being quiet because they lost. They are being quiet because you ordered them too. Our bus rides home after losses aren't joyous occasions, but we don't order the kids to be quiet either. If that's why they're quiet, fine. I'll give you another good reason why I want them to be quiet- so that they don't annoy ME. That's why you let them go home with their parents.
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Post by silkyice on May 27, 2014 17:36:38 GMT -6
I don't order them to be quiet, but no one wants a party on the way home after a loss.
I agree that you can't order how they actually feel. The problem is if your team has 50 on it, you will have 5 sophomores that didn't play at all and don't know how to act. It only takes one or two to be loud. Those are the ones that you need to keep in check, if nothing else but for respect for the feelings of the ones who did play and respect for the team.
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Post by blb on May 27, 2014 17:50:40 GMT -6
I don't order them to be quiet, but no one wants a party on the way home after a loss. I agree that you can't order how they actually feel. The problem is if your team has 50 on it, you will have 5 sophomores that didn't play at all and don't know how to act. It only takes one or two to be loud. Those are the ones that you need to keep in check, if nothing else but for respect for the feelings of the ones who did play and respect for the team.
Explain to them expectations on bus on way home after a loss, just like you do anything else (including how to act on bus on way to game).
Shouldn't take "ordering" or "keeping in check."
Actually captains-leaders should do it for you.
And if sophomores aren't going to play, why bring them?
Five more sets of parents b!tching because their kids didn't play.
Point is dead silence is unrealistic and doesn't accomplish anything.
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Post by silkyice on May 27, 2014 19:57:04 GMT -6
I don't order them to be quiet, but no one wants a party on the way home after a loss. I agree that you can't order how they actually feel. The problem is if your team has 50 on it, you will have 5 sophomores that didn't play at all and don't know how to act. It only takes one or two to be loud. Those are the ones that you need to keep in check, if nothing else but for respect for the feelings of the ones who did play and respect for the team.
Explain to them expectations on bus on way home after a loss, just like you do anything else (including how to act on bus on way to game).
Shouldn't take "ordering" or "keeping in check."
Actually captains-leaders should do it for you.
And if sophomores aren't going to play, why bring them?
Five more sets of parents b!tching because their kids didn't play.
Point is dead silence is unrealistic and doesn't accomplish anything.
Not real sure if all of that was directed at me or just the entire thread. We do explain expectations. I don't mind if they talk. I actually like the fact that the kids can be resilent and move on. I just don't want a party. We take the sophmores because they are on the team. Blowout either way they play. They might be backups or are maybe on a special team. But we mainly take them because they are on the team. I can handle the parents if they have a problem.
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Post by silkyice on May 27, 2014 20:06:12 GMT -6
As long as kids aren't being stupid or out of control, how they act the day of the game or after really isn't necessarily a reflection of how they will play or how much they care.
Three years ago we played a team that we hadn't beat in twenty years and they went on to win state that year. They had 8 guys sign that year. I was freaking playing Wii tennis with them in the locker room 3 hours before the game. We won 16-12.
How you prepare that week is so much more important. Actually how you prepare in weights all year, spring training, film, summer, and all year is even more important.
As a side note, I used to coach with a guy who thought all the pregame intensity or rah-rah was what was important. If we lost, he would always comment during film about how we looked breaking through the banner to run on the field. Yeah, our film guy filmed that. I started watching that on games we won. It all looked the same. LOL. Just anything to blame it on the kids or refs instead of our lack of preparation or that maybe the other team was just better.
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Post by option1 on May 28, 2014 3:49:43 GMT -6
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Post by blb on May 28, 2014 5:45:45 GMT -6
We only bring underclassmen up if they're going to play, meaning start on at least one side of the ball (rare).
And in our state, kids can only play in one game every seven days.
So Sophomores play on JVs.
I'm sure you can handle the parents, silky - but a lot of administrators can't (or won't).
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Post by jg78 on Jun 1, 2014 7:43:02 GMT -6
Being a little old-school, all this being able to have you music on your cell phone has made it difficult on game day. You want them to have their individual music, but how do you keep them from texting and all that other stuff? Any ideas?
I haven't read all the responses to your question, but (in my opinion) it isn't a battle worth fighting. As long as they are not getting loud or disruptive, I don't care if they listen to music, text, talk among themselves about whatever, etc. between the time school is out and when they start getting dressed for the game. As long as they start getting mentally prepared about an hour before game time, I don't think it's going to matter if your QB sent his GF a text message at 4:30.
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Post by option1 on Jun 1, 2014 8:09:54 GMT -6
I don't know if anyone read the link I posted but, IMO, kids have to be conditioned to think the way they should during a game. I've read post where coaches compare how we as adults go to work, jamming out, etc. However, as adults we know when we need to focus and how we do that best. I do not believe kids have a switch. I also do not believe it has anything to do with being old school, new school, etc. Regardless of what generation you're from distraction is a very real thing. I'm not saying it has to be all football but the extent and level of distraction needs to be minimized where I'm at. The level and extent of the distraction can be measured by the reaction of having the distraction removed. If a player goes in the tank because he cant text, twit, or whatever, than you can bet that player is fully distracted by his phone, etc.
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