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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 6, 2014 15:25:59 GMT -6
I was reading "The Tao of Chip Kelly" for a leadership class I am taking. In it, he has a great line in regard to efficiency. Chip says sometimes you have to feed the tuna the mayonnaise. As coaches, we all try to do everything efficiently.
My question is, what kind of service do you think would really help your program to operate more efficiently, and what would you be willing to pay for it?
For example, here we have a company that many programs use that comes out and films games from multiple angles and then uploads it to Hudl. We go out after a game and eat, celebrate, and have a good time. When we go home, film is already loaded and ready to go.
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 6, 2014 16:30:17 GMT -6
I was in charge of finding people to film for us, and I went to the Film Department, as well as the Audio-Visual Department. If we didn't have enough volunteers, we were able to entice students by offering them up to two credits of independent study. It's good experience for many of them, plus they can get the credit, if they need it. Teaching them how to use Hudl was a piece of cake. I wrote out step-by-step instructions that could've been followed by anyone walking in off the street w/ no prior knowledge of Hudl. The first spring practice or two, you can see where they're working out the kinks, but after that, it's smooth sailing. I'm not sure why anyone w/ access to these resources wouldn't at least try this route. Certainly, instead of paying someone to do this, you could spend that money elsewhere.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Apr 7, 2014 5:07:36 GMT -6
I was reading "The Tao of Chip Kelly" for a leadership class I am taking. In it, he has a great line in regard to efficiency. Chip says sometimes you have to feed the tuna the mayonnaise. As coaches, we all try to do everything efficiently. My question is, what kind of service do you think would really help your program to operate more efficiently, and what would you be willing to pay for it? For example, here we have a company that many programs use that comes out and films games from multiple angles and then uploads it to Hudl. We go out after a game and eat, celebrate, and have a good time. When we go home, film is already loaded and ready to go. I had a professional come in and film our games. He never charged me anything, but he charged the kids $15 a game or $100 for the season if they paid upfront. He would make a final copy of the game with graphics introducing the two teams, etc. From a coaching standpoint, all the bells and whistles were not needed as far as I was concerned. They seemed geared toward a "keepsake" type of thing for the players. This was during the early days of hudl. I never trained the camera man to load hudl as I wasn't that savvy with it myself at the time. I think I would really enjoy, not having to load film the night after a game. I spent many a night in the wee hours of the morning making sure it loaded properly. My question is, if you don't mind sharing, what do you pay for your service? Whatever it is, I think I would personally say that it was worth it. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 7, 2014 7:39:07 GMT -6
I was reading "The Tao of Chip Kelly" for a leadership class I am taking. In it, he has a great line in regard to efficiency. Chip says sometimes you have to feed the tuna the mayonnaise. As coaches, we all try to do everything efficiently. My question is, what kind of service do you think would really help your program to operate more efficiently, and what would you be willing to pay for it? For example, here we have a company that many programs use that comes out and films games from multiple angles and then uploads it to Hudl. We go out after a game and eat, celebrate, and have a good time. When we go home, film is already loaded and ready to go. I had a professional come in and film our games. He never charged me anything, but he charged the kids $15 a game or $100 for the season if they paid upfront. He would make a final copy of the game with graphics introducing the two teams, etc. From a coaching standpoint, all the bells and whistles were not needed as far as I was concerned. They seemed geared toward a "keepsake" type of thing for the players. This was during the early days of hudl. I never trained the camera man to load hudl as I wasn't that savvy with it myself at the time. I think I would really enjoy, not having to load film the night after a game. I spent many a night in the wee hours of the morning making sure it loaded properly. My question is, if you don't mind sharing, what do you pay for your service? Whatever it is, I think I would personally say that it was worth it. I'm not the HC so I'm not sure. I feel like they charge us around $500 for the whole season and they film all varsity and JV games. You can spend more but it's the same idea, keepsakes for the players. We just have them film and upload to Hudl. Reduces a lot of headache. |
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 7, 2014 7:41:18 GMT -6
I was reading "The Tao of Chip Kelly" for a leadership class I am taking. In it, he has a great line in regard to efficiency. Chip says sometimes you have to feed the tuna the mayonnaise. As coaches, we all try to do everything efficiently. My question is, what kind of service do you think would really help your program to operate more efficiently, and what would you be willing to pay for it? For example, here we have a company that many programs use that comes out and films games from multiple angles and then uploads it to Hudl. We go out after a game and eat, celebrate, and have a good time. When we go home, film is already loaded and ready to go. we get that free- a couple of dads who want to contribute is all that takes. but we don't go out, we go home and its done by the time we get there. I watch film all night |
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 7, 2014 8:08:25 GMT -6
That company around here charges $5000 for a season... I am trying to get the HC at my new school to just give me 1/2 that money and I'll do it all. My wife and I have debated becoming their competition because we could do it for cheaper and offer more than they do.
They are making a killing for something that really only takes about 20 minutes on Friday night. Even if you paid your 2 filmers $250 a game, that would only be $2500 for the season, splitting $2500 for 20 minutes x 10 games = 200 minutes = 3.3 hours. You net $757.58 per hour!!!
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 7, 2014 8:10:16 GMT -6
rsmith627You may wanna look into cost. I know my school pays $5000 for the season and all they get is a DVD copy of games and it uploaded into HUDL by 8AM Saturday morning. Nothing else, and it isn't even cutup and on one file. Just 2 separate files, one with sideline one with endzone.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 7, 2014 8:57:23 GMT -6
rsmith627You may wanna look into cost. I know my school pays $5000 for the season and all they get is a DVD copy of games and it uploaded into HUDL by 8AM Saturday morning. Nothing else, and it isn't even cutup and on one file. Just 2 separate files, one with sideline one with endzone. You're right, I mistyped a zero. Huge difference. They are making a killing and a ton of schools are using it. It's out of control. |
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Post by fantom on Apr 7, 2014 9:08:05 GMT -6
rsmith627You may wanna look into cost. I know my school pays $5000 for the season and all they get is a DVD copy of games and it uploaded into HUDL by 8AM Saturday morning. Nothing else, and it isn't even cutup and on one file. Just 2 separate files, one with sideline one with endzone. If I suggested spending $5000 for somebody to film and upload games they'd laugh me out of the room. |
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 7, 2014 9:30:06 GMT -6
I would. Id laugh. Theres no way we pay 5k for that service. Id rather stick to mini dvds or even go back to vhs before spending that kind of coin on that service.
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 7, 2014 9:39:58 GMT -6
rsmith627You may wanna look into cost. I know my school pays $5000 for the season and all they get is a DVD copy of games and it uploaded into HUDL by 8AM Saturday morning. Nothing else, and it isn't even cutup and on one file. Just 2 separate files, one with sideline one with endzone. How, and why, would they do this? Hudl will auto-cut film on the fly, so when it's uploaded, you have your cut-ups ready to go. It's almost like they'd have to go out of their way to turn that setting off. Either that, or they don't really know what they're doing. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 7, 2014 12:40:15 GMT -6
rsmith627You may wanna look into cost. I know my school pays $5000 for the season and all they get is a DVD copy of games and it uploaded into HUDL by 8AM Saturday morning. Nothing else, and it isn't even cutup and on one file. Just 2 separate files, one with sideline one with endzone. How, and why, would they do this? Hudl will auto-cut film on the fly, so when it's uploaded, you have your cut-ups ready to go. It's almost like they'd have to go out of their way to turn that setting off. Either that, or they don't really know what they're doing. I have no idea. We use the service (I agree that it's dumb) and a lot of other schools in the Salt Lake area use it as well. I personally don't think it's too hard to do yourself. You can have parents do it, students do it, lower level coaches, whatever. |
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 7, 2014 20:49:37 GMT -6
It seems like one year of that money could buy you some pretty nice cameras to do it yourself.
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 7, 2014 22:00:40 GMT -6
The guy I work for says it is well worth it to not have to worry about cameras, batteries, endzone tower, and the extra responsibility... I don't get it, but I'm not the boss anymore
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 7, 2014 22:18:09 GMT -6
A lot of guys here seem to agree with him.
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Post by bluboy on Apr 8, 2014 6:51:02 GMT -6
We have a service that films all our games and uploads the video into HUDL. I don't know how much this service costs, but I know it's expensive. With that said, it's well worth the cost. We don't have to worry about a thing, and after the game we get a copy of the video. This service does a GREAT job; we get many compliments from college coaches about our video.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 8, 2014 11:18:19 GMT -6
Ahhh...
America, where we pay people to do stuff we could do ourselves, but don't want to.
Threads like this blow my mind. Especially when coupled with the pants peeing threads about sports no longer being a part of schools.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 8, 2014 11:22:17 GMT -6
Ahhh... America, where we pay people to do stuff we could do ourselves, but don't want to. Threads like this blow my mind. Especially when coupled with the pants peeing threads about sports no longer being a part of schools. My favorite thing about you coach, is you're blunt, tell it how it is, and don't give a f about how people feel about it. If only the rest of the world were as brutally honest we might not be a nation of wimps. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 8, 2014 16:15:48 GMT -6
My favorite thing about you coach, is you're blunt, tell it how it is, and don't give a f about how people feel about it. If only the rest of the world were as brutally honest we might not be a nation of wimps. I gave up caring what people think about me long ago. As long as my wife still loves me and I can still get kids to work hard, win games and I take care of business in the class room, I could care less what people think of me. One thing I've found is that kids, ultimately, would rather hear the truth than the fluffed up BS they hear from so many people today. I don't belittle them, but I certainly let people know what I feel about them or their choices. And I take as well as I receive. Nothing worse than someone who speaks their mind, but then freaks out when someone does it back to them. |
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Post by filmjunkie on Apr 9, 2014 12:16:48 GMT -6
I guess if you've got the kind of cash to pay someone $5k to do your video for you, then go for it, but that sounds like a huge amount of money to spend, especially for most high school programs. Even most colleges don't have video guys who are video guys only, they're usually video guys who coach as well. That is until you get up to the upper echelon of FCS and most FBS schools.
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Post by fantom on Apr 9, 2014 12:29:23 GMT -6
Ahhh... America, where we pay people to do stuff we could do ourselves, but don't want to. Threads like this blow my mind. Especially when coupled with the pants peeing threads about sports no longer being a part of schools. I have no problem with paying somebody who can do a job better than I can or to take some of the burden off of me. The question is how much is it worth? A season pass and a hat? Hell, he can have my hat. $100? I'll kick in a twenty. 5k is too rich for my blood, though. As for paying people to do things that you could do yourself, you don't eat in restaurants? You could cook just about everything that they make yourself. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 9, 2014 13:28:00 GMT -6
There's a fantastic difference with paying for a meal and paying someone, whatever amount, so that you don't have to take 20 minutes out of your valuable drinking time IMO.
I pay for a meal because of the way they cook their food. There's really no good or bad way to load a video into HUDL.
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Post by fantom on Apr 9, 2014 13:58:20 GMT -6
There's a fantastic difference with paying for a meal and paying someone, whatever amount, so that you don't have to take 20 minutes out of your valuable drinking time IMO. I pay for a meal because of the way they cook their food. There's really no good or bad way to load a video into HUDL. If you can load the tight and wide shots in 20 minutes maybe you can look into doing this. You don't get that much free time in-season so I'll take any that I can get. If it means that we don't have to worry about the gear and can be sure of getting a good film that's better. I wouldn't pay 5k for it but if we had the money or the price was right I'd use the service. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 9, 2014 15:27:03 GMT -6
There's a fantastic difference with paying for a meal and paying someone, whatever amount, so that you don't have to take 20 minutes out of your valuable drinking time IMO. I pay for a meal because of the way they cook their food. There's really no good or bad way to load a video into HUDL. If you can load the tight and wide shots in 20 minutes maybe you can look into doing this. You don't get that much free time in-season so I'll take any that I can get. If it means that we don't have to worry about the gear and can be sure of getting a good film that's better. I wouldn't pay 5k for it but if we had the money or the price was right I'd use the service. We don't have a wide and tight or end zone. I don't think anyone in our conference does. Heck, our football budget from the school's only 3k a year. |
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Post by fantom on Apr 9, 2014 15:48:33 GMT -6
If you can load the tight and wide shots in 20 minutes maybe you can look into doing this. You don't get that much free time in-season so I'll take any that I can get. If it means that we don't have to worry about the gear and can be sure of getting a good film that's better. I wouldn't pay 5k for it but if we had the money or the price was right I'd use the service. We don't have a wide and tight or end zone. I don't think anyone in our conference does. Heck, our football budget from the school's only 3k a year. Well, maybe it wouldn't make much sense for you then. Other people do. Maybe you should consider other people's circumstance before implying that they're lazy. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 9, 2014 15:57:15 GMT -6
We don't have a wide and tight or end zone. I don't think anyone in our conference does. Heck, our football budget from the school's only 3k a year. Well, maybe it wouldn't make much sense for you then. Other people do. Maybe you should consider other people's circumstance before implying that they're lazy. If our budget was 30k a year it would still be lazy IMO. Using money that's supposed to go to kids to make your life easier is lazy. |
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Post by fantom on Apr 9, 2014 16:24:17 GMT -6
Well, maybe it wouldn't make much sense for you then. Other people do. Maybe you should consider other people's circumstance before implying that they're lazy. If our budget was 30k a year it would still be lazy IMO. Using money that's supposed to go to kids to make your life easier is lazy. Hmm, you've convinced me. I'm going to go right out and see if we can bring in some cash by selling our washing machine and dryer. Silly frills, really, since washboards and clotheslines worked so well for centuries. |
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Post by blb on Apr 9, 2014 17:22:02 GMT -6
Our athletic budget for all sports as of this year is $0.
Even before this year it was insufficient for Football.
We don't have HUDL. We don't have an End Zone camera. To be honest I wouldn't use them if I could - I hate watching film. I do it as efficiently as I can because it's a necessary part of the job - and I hate being unprepared more than I dislike watching film.
Did have an OL coach at one school that arranged for a "Cherry Picker" for home games so he could get End Zone film, though. And that was fine.
I pay our filmer out of our Fund Raiser account. If I didn't we probably wouldn't be able to keep him. Or get another.
But to say that coaches that do have General Fund monies to adequately outfit their kids-programs and still pay for film services are "lazy" is outrageously ignorant and disrespectful. |
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Post by airraider on Apr 9, 2014 17:47:32 GMT -6
I had a professional come in and film our games. He never charged me anything, but he charged the kids $15 a game or $100 for the season if they paid upfront. He would make a final copy of the game with graphics introducing the two teams, etc. From a coaching standpoint, all the bells and whistles were not needed as far as I was concerned. They seemed geared toward a "keepsake" type of thing for the players. This was during the early days of hudl. I never trained the camera man to load hudl as I wasn't that savvy with it myself at the time. I think I would really enjoy, not having to load film the night after a game. I spent many a night in the wee hours of the morning making sure it loaded properly. My question is, if you don't mind sharing, what do you pay for your service? Whatever it is, I think I would personally say that it was worth it. I'm not the HC so I'm not sure. I feel like they charge us around $500 for the whole season and they film all varsity and JV games. You can spend more but it's the same idea, keepsakes for the players. We just have them film and upload to Hudl. Reduces a lot of headache. I would not see $500 really being worth it. Min 10 games... that is $50 a game. Gas alone will eat that up. We pay a parent $2000 a year to film our games and he uploads it to hudl for us. The booster club also purchased the camera and equipment for him. I do feel that the price is very steep, but I guess all in all its worth it knowing we have a HD copy of our film. |
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 10, 2014 7:44:14 GMT -6
If our budget was 30k a year it would still be lazy IMO. Using money that's supposed to go to kids to make your life easier is lazy. Hmm, you've convinced me. I'm going to go right out and see if we can bring in some cash by selling our washing machine and dryer. Silly frills, really, since washboards and clotheslines worked so well for centuries. Feel free. Wasn't trying to convince you of anything. This is America. You're free to be as lazy as you wish. Proceed. |
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