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Post by larrymoe on Apr 10, 2014 7:47:01 GMT -6
Our athletic budget for all sports as of this year is $0.
Even before this year it was insufficient for Football.
We don't have HUDL. We don't have an End Zone camera. To be honest I wouldn't use them if I could - I hate watching film. I do it as efficiently as I can because it's a necessary part of the job - and I hate being unprepared more than I dislike watching film.
Did have an OL coach at one school that arranged for a "Cherry Picker" for home games so he could get End Zone film, though. And that was fine.
I pay our filmer out of our Fund Raiser account. If I didn't we probably wouldn't be able to keep him. Or get another.
But to say that coaches that do have General Fund monies to adequately outfit their kids-programs and still pay for film services are "lazy" is outrageously ignorant and disrespectful. How in the hell is that disrespectful? Someone says they blow $5k on something so they can drink earlier and I'm disrespectful for calling that lazy? Ok.
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Post by blb on Apr 10, 2014 7:56:27 GMT -6
Our athletic budget for all sports as of this year is $0.
Even before this year it was insufficient for Football.
We don't have HUDL. We don't have an End Zone camera. To be honest I wouldn't use them if I could - I hate watching film. I do it as efficiently as I can because it's a necessary part of the job - and I hate being unprepared more than I dislike watching film.
Did have an OL coach at one school that arranged for a "Cherry Picker" for home games so he could get End Zone film, though. And that was fine.
I pay our filmer out of our Fund Raiser account. If I didn't we probably wouldn't be able to keep him. Or get another.
But to say that coaches that do have General Fund monies to adequately outfit their kids-programs and still pay for film services are "lazy" is outrageously ignorant and disrespectful. How in the hell is that disrespectful? Someone says they blow $5k on something so they can drink earlier and I'm disrespectful for calling that lazy? Ok. Please post the quote from this thread where someone admitted spending $5k on HUDL or the like "so they can drink earlier."
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Post by fantom on Apr 10, 2014 8:47:07 GMT -6
Our athletic budget for all sports as of this year is $0.
Even before this year it was insufficient for Football.
We don't have HUDL. We don't have an End Zone camera. To be honest I wouldn't use them if I could - I hate watching film. I do it as efficiently as I can because it's a necessary part of the job - and I hate being unprepared more than I dislike watching film.
Did have an OL coach at one school that arranged for a "Cherry Picker" for home games so he could get End Zone film, though. And that was fine.
I pay our filmer out of our Fund Raiser account. If I didn't we probably wouldn't be able to keep him. Or get another.
But to say that coaches that do have General Fund monies to adequately outfit their kids-programs and still pay for film services are "lazy" is outrageously ignorant and disrespectful. How in the hell is that disrespectful? Someone says they blow $5k on something so they can drink earlier and I'm disrespectful for calling that lazy? Ok. Since you pride yourself with being blunt, you probably won't mind my saying that doing unnecessary work just to say that you did is kind of dumb.
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Post by blb on Apr 10, 2014 9:41:29 GMT -6
I am not Mr. Technology by any means and this stage of my career (and age) I'm reticent to begin learning.
At mr previous school, one of my assistants taught TV-Radio Production and so I delegated all video duties to him.
That was before advent of HUDL (they have it now).
At my present school we have no one like that. A former volunteer coach does our film including making copies after games.
IF I had the financial werewithal AND somebody to delegate it to, I'd probably invest in HUDL simply as a more efficient way to help our players evaluate previous game-construct an improved performance and prepare for next opponent.
Not so I "can drink earlier."
I'm not going to watch game film until Saturday morning anyway, don't care how it gets copied or "uploaded."
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 10, 2014 10:07:28 GMT -6
Please post the quote from this thread where someone admitted spending $5k on HUDL or the like "so they can drink earlier." It is not one individual post, but a conversation- There you go. But I'm sure it's just more of me being disrespectful.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 10, 2014 10:08:44 GMT -6
Since you pride yourself with being blunt, you probably won't mind my saying that doing unnecessary work just to say that you did is kind of dumb. It's not unnecessary, someone does it, you've just deemed it below you. Which is lazy.
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Post by blb on Apr 10, 2014 10:17:59 GMT -6
Since you pride yourself with being blunt, you probably won't mind my saying that doing unnecessary work just to say that you did is kind of dumb. It's not unnecessary, someone does it, you've just deemed it below you. Which is lazy. That's your opinion, not a fact.
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Post by blb on Apr 10, 2014 10:22:24 GMT -6
I still don't see where anyone has said the sole purpose of paying someone to copy or upload film after games is "so they can drink earlier."
Efficiency isn't lazy, it's smart. Your implication they're taking money away from the players is specious.
As far as debriefing after the contest, however one chooses to do it - coaching Football is a tough gig. You have to be intense enough to get the job done, but relaxed enough to enjoy it, too.
To each his own.
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Post by cqmiller on Apr 10, 2014 10:52:18 GMT -6
I know for a fact that at Ryan's (@rsmish627) school, they spend the $5000 per year for the service... I know that the school I'll be at next year also spends the $5000 per year on the service... I know that the past 3 years we have had to accommodate this company at about 1/2 of our home games... So there are at least 5 schools just in the Salt Lake Area that use this same company (earning them $25,000 minimum if they only have 5 schools). Most of the schools who use the system have coaching staffs that like to go "do stuff" Friday night to decompress... I totally agree that I need decompression time after a game which is why one of the best Pubs in SLC area is less than 200 yards from my school... In my opinion, $5000 is WAY too much money for what they do. Literally could be done by 1 competent coach (who doesn't wanna go out and drink Friday nights... you can find lots of them here in this state), you can pay them even $100 an hour and it will cost you less than $1000 for the year. Or you just put that coach in charge of "upload film into HUDL" for his responsibility and it is done for "free". I am trying to see if I can convince the school I'll be at next year to just pay my wife 1/2 the money they are paying this company and we will get way more out of it. rsmith627 and I have already talked about creating a company to compete with these guys where we can hire a couple of film crew people and just have them film games and then we can dump them into HUDL and make a quick $2000-$3000 per team to supplement our awful teaching pay in this state... It would cut into my pitchers of beer and Johnny Walker Blacks on Friday nights though...
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 10, 2014 11:21:32 GMT -6
It would cut into my pitchers of beer and Johnny Walker Blacks on Friday nights though... Well crafted.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 10, 2014 12:37:35 GMT -6
I know for a fact that at Ryan's (@rsmish627) school, they spend the $5000 per year for the service... I know that the school I'll be at next year also spends the $5000 per year on the service... I know that the past 3 years we have had to accommodate this company at about 1/2 of our home games... So there are at least 5 schools just in the Salt Lake Area that use this same company (earning them $25,000 minimum if they only have 5 schools). Most of the schools who use the system have coaching staffs that like to go "do stuff" Friday night to decompress... I totally agree that I need decompression time after a game which is why one of the best Pubs in SLC area is less than 200 yards from my school... In my opinion, $5000 is WAY too much money for what they do. Literally could be done by 1 competent coach (who doesn't wanna go out and drink Friday nights... you can find lots of them here in this state), you can pay them even $100 an hour and it will cost you less than $1000 for the year. Or you just put that coach in charge of "upload film into HUDL" for his responsibility and it is done for "free". I am trying to see if I can convince the school I'll be at next year to just pay my wife 1/2 the money they are paying this company and we will get way more out of it. rsmith627 and I have already talked about creating a company to compete with these guys where we can hire a couple of film crew people and just have them film games and then we can dump them into HUDL and make a quick $2000-$3000 per team to supplement our awful teaching pay in this state... It would cut into my pitchers of beer and Johnny Walker Blacks on Friday nights though... Keep in mind guys that this is what they're clearing off of football. They're also getting into all of the other sports. Basketball, soccer, etc. They are making an absolute killing. Those of us who are sensible know its a ripoff, but many programs here have the money,therefore they use it.
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 10, 2014 15:39:56 GMT -6
When I was a kid, I used to collect sports cards. One day, I'm showing them off to my mother, and I say, "See this card? It's worth $600!" She replies, "Actually, it's only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it." It's really true of most things. If these guys are able to command $5000 per account, all the power to them. Someone is obviously finding some value in their service at that price-point.
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Post by airraider on Apr 10, 2014 17:28:28 GMT -6
It is not one individual post, but a conversation- There you go. But I'm sure it's just more of me being disrespectful. Let's be honest here... who are you to determine how another coach deals with his precious time? I usually spend a couple of hours on friday night making sure our film is uploaded into hudl so I can hit the exchange buttons so I know we will have our scout film there by the next morning. I would be more than willing to have someone else do this for me for a fee if I had that type of money in the budget... especially if it gives me a couple of more hours to lay down next to my wife during the season... and frankly, who the hell are you to criticize anyone for that?
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Post by blb on Apr 10, 2014 17:51:33 GMT -6
To quote the object of your post (since he won't be), airraider - "Well crafted."
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Post by rudyrude9 on Apr 11, 2014 13:31:30 GMT -6
This is funny. I do the uploads and intercutting while I drink on Friday night. Now that is efficiency!
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 11, 2014 13:47:49 GMT -6
This is funny. I do the uploads and intercutting while I drink on Friday night. Now that is efficiency! True, but are you ripping anybody off and making exorbitant amounts of money in the process? The American dream!
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Post by rudyrude9 on Apr 11, 2014 13:49:37 GMT -6
This is funny. I do the uploads and intercutting while I drink on Friday night. Now that is efficiency! True, but are you ripping anybody off and making exorbitant amounts of money in the process? The American dream! I like coaching football too much to worry about making money.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 11, 2014 13:53:06 GMT -6
True, but are you ripping anybody off and making exorbitant amounts of money in the process? The American dream! I like coaching football too much to worry about making money. I tend to agree with that. I also like beer too much.
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Post by airraider on Apr 11, 2014 16:43:24 GMT -6
This is funny. I do the uploads and intercutting while I drink on Friday night. Now that is efficiency! True, but are you ripping anybody off and making exorbitant amounts of money in the process? The American dream! Knowing how much you are paying for a service that you are well aware of does not equal being ripped off. Being ripped off is when you do not know any better. I would assume that most of these coaches realize that they could do this process themselves and save the money... but they CHOOSE to pay someone... if they agree to the pay a certain amount, well then its obviously not too much.
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 11, 2014 16:51:40 GMT -6
True, but are you ripping anybody off and making exorbitant amounts of money in the process? The American dream! Knowing how much you are paying for a service that you are well aware of does not equal being ripped off. Being ripped off is when you do not know any better. I would assume that most of these coaches realize that they could do this process themselves and save the money... but they CHOOSE to pay someone... if they agree to the pay a certain amount, well then its obviously not too much. I think it's an extreme amount of money, and if I were the HC I don't think I'd pay it. My program uses the service, and I'm sure the HC sees a value in it. As mentioned above, a service is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it. A LOT of schools in our area do use it, so apparently they see the value.
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Post by airraider on Apr 11, 2014 16:57:43 GMT -6
Knowing how much you are paying for a service that you are well aware of does not equal being ripped off. Being ripped off is when you do not know any better. I would assume that most of these coaches realize that they could do this process themselves and save the money... but they CHOOSE to pay someone... if they agree to the pay a certain amount, well then its obviously not too much. I think it's an extreme amount of money, and if I were the HC I don't think I'd pay it. My program uses the service, and I'm sure the HC sees a value in it. As mentioned above, a service is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it. A LOT of schools in our area do use it, so apparently they see the value. I agree it is a lot of money, but I would not call it a rip off. But, we do live in a country where you can offer any service you want and charge any price you want... our free market economy does a really good job in regulating pricing. If you think it is too much, then start a service of your own.. undercut them and take their clients from them.
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 11, 2014 17:14:51 GMT -6
I think the term "a lot of money" is relative. For most of the coaches on these forums, coaching where they do, $5000 per season is probably a lot of money to spend on anything, let alone something they can do themselves. For the program down in Allen, TX, who just spent $60 million on their stadium, it would be a miniscule amount by comparison.
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 11, 2014 17:59:22 GMT -6
soooo..did you like the book
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 11, 2014 18:37:57 GMT -6
soooo..did you like the book For a quick read it's ok. I wouldn't classify it as a must for coaches.
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