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Post by coach2013 on Apr 1, 2014 2:48:38 GMT -6
I am curious how many of you are finding kids dropping out of football?
Recently we had a couple decide to "focus" on different (non contact) sports. "Concussions" are one reason, "job" is the other.
I didn't think numbers were going to drop at all - now I wonder if I am wrong.
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Post by filmjunkie on Apr 1, 2014 5:23:20 GMT -6
How many of those kids started or played significant time? I've heard several examples of those guys who think they should be playing more time decide to quit out of frustration and go to another sport.
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Post by rbrown5 on Apr 1, 2014 5:55:55 GMT -6
I had my starting QB quit to play basketball!!!
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Post by s73 on Apr 1, 2014 6:00:29 GMT -6
I am curious how many of you are finding kids dropping out of football? Recently we had a couple decide to "focus" on different (non contact) sports. "Concussions" are one reason, "job" is the other. I didn't think numbers were going to drop at all - now I wonder if I am wrong. Coach, Our numbers have been down w/ kids coming into the high school as freshman. This has been a trend the last 2 seasons. Hopefully turns around some this upcoming season as we have a more accomplished group coming in. But the past 2 years our numbers for our incoming frosh. have been BAD. Not sure if it's concussion related or a problem at the MS level. My guess is, a little of both.
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 1, 2014 6:01:08 GMT -6
How many of those kids started or played significant time? I've heard several examples of those guys who think they should be playing more time decide to quit out of frustration and go to another sport. two guys , both defensive starters, second string offense.
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Post by blb on Apr 1, 2014 6:11:25 GMT -6
Every player on our Varsity Basketball team (13 kids) played Football. Four or five of them stopped playing after 9th or 10th Grade. One of best hoopsters didn't play as a Sophomore, came back out last Fall.
Had one kid quit to concentrate on Wrestling, another to play Soccer. Have lost four or five to Alternative Ed, one to home schooling (although he didn't play the previous year anyway).
There are five Juniors-to-be who didn't come back out as Sophomores. One has been coming to Strength Training so assume he's playing this year, two are still playing Basketball. One is probably headed to AE.
Two kids who stopped playing aren't doing anything to my knowledge (maybe Baseball). Could be working.
Most of our kids have jobs but they work their schedules around Football.
I have not heard of any kids stopping playing or not coming out because of concussion issue, but it's possible. Biggest factor is our enrollment has dropped 20% since I was hired (2010).
Our numbers are so low in comparison to our competition losing kids hurts us more than most.
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Post by coachphillip on Apr 1, 2014 8:44:42 GMT -6
We work out three days a week for an hour each day. They have a week off after every six weeks. We don't lift on Fridays or any day they don't have school. I had three JV kids (backups) come up to me and say "I'm just not willing to do that." Five JV kids (freshman starters) "don't need to lift because they won league last year." Two JV kids (freshman starters) are playing for this new local traveling tackle football team. AND our starting freshman QB is thinking about quitting to focus on his basketball career. Kid can ball, but he's 5'3". I know all about kids dropping football.
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Post by gabehc16 on Apr 1, 2014 9:09:22 GMT -6
I am curious how many of you are finding kids dropping out of football? Recently we had a couple decide to "focus" on different (non contact) sports. "Concussions" are one reason, "job" is the other. I didn't think numbers were going to drop at all - now I wonder if I am wrong. Coach, we had a ton after an 0-9 season last year including a kid that was up for starting QB and was a returning starter at safety and a college prospect at DL/OL. Lost 21 kids all together after the 0-9 season. Went 12-1 the very next year. It honestly allowed us as coaches to focus on the kids that wanted/accepted coaching instead of focusing on kids who were half in and half out the boat. Could be the best thing that happened to you!!
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Post by fantom on Apr 1, 2014 10:04:32 GMT -6
I am curious how many of you are finding kids dropping out of football? Recently we had a couple decide to "focus" on different (non contact) sports. "Concussions" are one reason, "job" is the other. I didn't think numbers were going to drop at all - now I wonder if I am wrong. I don't know about numbers but we have had some notable "defections". One kid is about 6'8" and 320 lbs.. He decided to focus on volleyball and basketball. Th winner, though, was a 270 lb. kid who started for us as a sophomore. He quit football to work on- I'm not making this up- semi-pro cage fighting.
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Post by carookie on Apr 1, 2014 10:18:10 GMT -6
We're losing an all league two way lineman, just doesnt want to play; also a fair number of younger players. Does not look like anything new though, same song and dance 5-10 years ago. Heck even 20 years back when I played.
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Post by coachdennis on Apr 1, 2014 10:56:46 GMT -6
It's never one thing that causes kids to drop, but rather a number of factors. One of the factors is that kids have a lot more choices/distractions than they had back in the day. Another factor, I believe, is that many programs now ask a lot more of kids than we used to. It's like an arms race now, and so many sports have now become year round and (in the eyes of the kids) all consuming. We may not think we are asking for a lot, but in their eyes we are.
Finally, as others have pointed out, some parts of this aren't too different than they have ever been. Kids who just never did love the contact end up dropping out to focus on, shockingly, non-contact sports. As Bill Parcells put it so well, "If they don't bite as puppies, they'll never bite."
The solution is also no different than before - we just have to recruit harder, shaking loose as many trees as we can to find kids. Often you'll find that kids had never considered football, thinking it was somehow out of their league. We coach a bit of a niche sport as opposed to a mass participation thing like house league soccer, so we have to adjust our recruiting strategies and expectations accordingly...
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Post by blb on Apr 1, 2014 11:40:15 GMT -6
Our oldest daughter started playing youth sports when she was six or eight.
As a Junior in HS she lettered in Basketball and Soccer. While she wasn't a star (genetically limited), she got her share of PT especially in Soccer where she started as a Defender. Enjoyed what she was doing, had no problems.
As a Senior she did not participate in either. Said she had had enough, wanted to spend her time doing other things she was more interested in (music, Forensics-Debate, writing).
It happens.
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Post by coach2013 on Apr 1, 2014 11:50:31 GMT -6
I am curious how many of you are finding kids dropping out of football? Recently we had a couple decide to "focus" on different (non contact) sports. "Concussions" are one reason, "job" is the other. I didn't think numbers were going to drop at all - now I wonder if I am wrong. Coach, we had a ton after an 0-9 season last year including a kid that was up for starting QB and was a returning starter at safety and a college prospect at DL/OL. Lost 21 kids all together after the 0-9 season. Went 12-1 the very next year. It honestly allowed us as coaches to focus on the kids that wanted/accepted coaching instead of focusing on kids who were half in and half out the boat. Could be the best thing that happened to you!! Yes, both kids are a bit fond of drama and often make it about them. I know kids aren't adults, aren't mature- some of the stuff just becomes high maintenance behavior and theres not a lot of room for that stuff in our program.
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Post by powerfootball71 on Apr 1, 2014 13:26:20 GMT -6
Just got word that last year's back up center is dropping out to focus on wrestling. Told me he was not having fun was too small and did not want to have to cut to 170 next year.
Truth is the kid who graduated is playing in the all state game so he didn't play a whole lot. He was in the mix to see decent pt at guard and back up the kid I'm moving to center (starting guard as a soph) not a expert on wrestiling but if you haven't made it out of districts buy your sophomore year wrestiling is not something I would focus on.
Ironically the kid I'm moving to center ( 6 '2" 285 sophomore nephew of a famous Olympic gold medal heavyweight) caused the same issue on the wrestiling team (kids quiting or changing weights to avoid him) kills my depth as the kid quitting can play all 3 spots
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 1, 2014 18:16:07 GMT -6
If a kid is going to quit, let them. 90% of the time they're just going to be a pain in your ass anyway.
IMO, how many you have out really doesn't mean anything.
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Post by reachandpull2013 on Apr 1, 2014 19:18:32 GMT -6
I have only had 1 incident in which a kid has quit due to concussion fear and it is a legitimate reason for this young man. He was our starting Free Safety last year as a junior. Not very big but a 4.0 student who wishes to attend Northwestern University and runs the 40 in 4.63 legit time.
He did not play as a sophomore due to two concussions as a freshman. Coming into last season him and his mother both said that if he sustains 1 more concussion than he is done with football for good. He made it through the entire season with no injuries at all. He had a very good season for us.
Well, he goes snowboarding back in December. He takes a fall, while wearing a helmet, and goes unconscious and begins to go into a seizure. He was unconscious for just over 30 minutes. Needless to say he is done with football and is still waiting for clearance to start running track.
It is a big blow to our football team, but the heart ache that he has knowing he will not play next year is tough to see for him.
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Post by CS on Apr 1, 2014 19:38:33 GMT -6
I am curious how many of you are finding kids dropping out of football? Recently we had a couple decide to "focus" on different (non contact) sports. "Concussions" are one reason, "job" is the other. I didn't think numbers were going to drop at all - now I wonder if I am wrong. I don't know about numbers but we have had some notable "defections". One kid is about 6'8" and 320 lbs.. He decided to focus on volleyball and basketball. Th winner, though, was a 270 lb. kid who started for us as a sophomore. He quit football to work on- I'm not making this up- semi-pro cage fighting. I thought you were going to say gymnastics
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Post by fantom on Apr 1, 2014 19:57:06 GMT -6
I don't know about numbers but we have had some notable "defections". One kid is about 6'8" and 320 lbs.. He decided to focus on volleyball and basketball. Th winner, though, was a 270 lb. kid who started for us as a sophomore. He quit football to work on- I'm not making this up- semi-pro cage fighting. I thought you were going to say gymnastics Who knew there was semi-pro cage fighting?
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Post by jmg999 on Apr 1, 2014 20:19:02 GMT -6
I was at a JC, and we won league two years in a row, and we lost bunches of kids each season. From what I understand, this is fairly common at the JC level. Our attrition rate was so bad, our DC didn't hand out playbooks, b/c he had seen too many kids come and go, then end up at rival schools. Didn't seem to hurt them any, however. They won league their third consecutive league title this past season.
I'll say this much, though, most of the kids we lost were due to grades. And, we rarely, if ever, saw them again. As for the ones who decided to leave the program, most of them just up and quit w/out any explanation or goodbyes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 12:20:00 GMT -6
I think there is an underlying theme to all of this. First off, your players won't ever care as much about football as you do. The ones who do, generally end up coaching. I think we all look at our players through those "rose colored glasses" and expect them to love the game as much as we do, and it's just VERY unrealistic. That being said, with numbers already down, losing players hurts. I get the whole "it allows us time to focus on the ones who want to be there", BUT, when you only have 3 LB's and run a 3 LB defense, things can get a bit sketchy when the season rolls around and the injury bug hits.
Where I'm at now, we are constantly losing kids to baseball. Why? He!! I wish I knew, I always chalk it up to laziness b/c baseball is played when it's cool out and they don't call it 9 man stand around for nothing. The one thing I've always tried to push is that your football program is a "brand" and you have to find a way to make your brand the thing kids want to be a part of. It's tough, b/c it's a tough sport, but the old idea that kids like to knock the sh!t out of people, is fading fast. I heard a coach, a dam good one from TX, talk at a clinic last month about very little contact in practice during the course of the season. Maybe only full contact once a week. Concentrates much more on the mental aspect of the game and fundamentals. Not all kids relish the chance to knock someone's d!ck in the dirt, they play for the appeal of competition, the speed of the game, the excitement of being in front of the crowd etc. Contact is low on their list of priorities. I think once, we as football coaches, can see this, it'll make us better at keeping players in our programs by redesigning the way we practice. I know this year, we are GREATLY reducing the amount of contact we're going to have in practice. This reason is two-fold, low numbers means low depth, AND it reduces the "grind" that kids go through during the course of a season. Our HC is really taking a completely different approach, and we are going more "Pete Carroll" here than say, Bill Parcells. We are going to lay things back, kinda let it all hang out, and see where that gets us. It's a different approach, and for those rolling their eyes or in denial, just remember the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
Duece
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Post by irishdog on Apr 3, 2014 14:27:07 GMT -6
Face it gentlemen, we are dealing with a different breed of cat these days. Many of the reasons stated in all of the above posts carry a lot of weight, however when it comes right down to it I wonder what the ratio is of the number of parents who aren't afraid to let their boys be boys, as opposed to those parents who are either afraid to, or are trying too hard to make them something they are not?
I would also be interested in seeing the percentages of boys who start competing at sports (not just football) at an early age (say 5 or 6 years old), and how many decide to not play anymore by the time they get into their junior year of HS because they're just burned out?
Can't speak for all of you, but back in the day (late 60's) I started playing competitive sports when I was an eighth grader! I played stick-ball, or backyard football with my buddies occasionally, but didn't play Little League, or Babe Ruth league, or Pop Warner, or AAU anything. Just played on my eighth grade JHS baseball team. I "discovered" football as a freshman in HS and couldn't get enough of it (almost to the detriment of my school work!), and obviously have never had enough of football going into my 40th year of coaching.
We live in a different world today. Households where both parents work, households with only one parent, an internet, hand-held technology, hand-held discipline, no discipline, etc. etc. Our young people are having to grow-up way too fast.
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Post by larrymoe on Apr 3, 2014 15:51:28 GMT -6
I played Little League baseball from second grade until 8th, but it was against other town teams. We only traveled once in those years other than for the state post season tournament. I never played padded football until I was a freshman in HS. I started wrestling in 6th through the school's team.
IMO youth sports are just a symbol, or outlet for a lot of our society's problems.
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Post by blb on Apr 3, 2014 18:00:03 GMT -6
By the time our kids get to HS they have already played four years of Football on the HS game field with PA, scoreboard, cheerleaders, jerseys with their names on the back.
What more are we going to offer them (besides Two-a-Days in August) that they haven't already gotten?
The ones who really love Football will keep playing.
The ones that don't or see a brighter future elsewhere won't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 12:29:54 GMT -6
I agree. In my town we are on the cusp of losing youth football, and I see nothing wrong with it, however when I pipe up about it, folks look at me like I have an arm growing out of my azz. Anyhow, football, with its collisions, and usually the lack of satisfactory coaching at the lower levels, could really start at the Jr. High level and I'd be totally sold on it.
Duece
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Post by blb on Apr 4, 2014 15:37:10 GMT -6
I agree. In my town we are on the cusp of losing youth football, and I see nothing wrong with it, however when I pipe up about it, folks look at me like I have an arm growing out of my azz. Anyhow, football, with its collisions, and usually the lack of satisfactory coaching at the lower levels, could really start at the Jr. High level and I'd be totally sold on it. Duece
Duece you are right.
I've always believed 8th Grade was earliest enough to have kids start playing Tackle Football.
HOWEVER - So many kids start playing Soccer at an early age (six, e.g.) that many of them won't give Football a try because they're "Soccer players."
Some schools in our state start Flag Football in 3rd-4th grade which seems to help them, but mostly bigger schools-programs.
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Post by irishdog on Apr 4, 2014 15:45:33 GMT -6
I think you also have to take into account how extreme our society has become. Everything is taken way too far. Just have to watch that program Friday Night Tykes to get my drift. Teaching youngsters how to play football by itself isn't a bad thing. It becomes a bad thing when adults take it to the extreme.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 8:31:53 GMT -6
I just had this discussion with our starting DT on friday. We were discussing a sophomore who had played as a freshman, but then decided to concentrate on basketball and didn't play this year. He was in the training room and I was badgering him about playing football again. The DT said the basketball coach told him he had to chose football or basketball if he really wanted to be good at basketball and the DT was supportive of his decision saying "he's a hooper, he's pretty good at it." I said "how good? is he Kentucky, Duke or North Carolina good?" He said "lol, no" I said "is he as good as _______" (our best basketball player is going to some small school no one has ever heard of). DT said "no" so I said "so you're telling me he has no basketball future after high school, yet it's in his best interest to only play basketball? That sounds pretty pointless to me." He thought for a second and said "but he wasn't very good at football." I said "and apparently he's not very good at basketball, it's high school, ride all the rides." These basketball coaches are really starting to get on my nerves. 2 schools ago it was the baseball coach. He tried to get our best player to quit playing football to concentrate on baseball saying "you could get drafted". He didn't quit playing football btw, went to college and should be a first round pick next year. Sometimes I think the people who fill these kid's heads with the most BS are other coaches. As usual, dc is spot on. Selfish-azz coaches is probably the #1 deterrent to kids playing period. I like the quote "ride all the rides". This is so true. He!! it's high school, have fun, enjoy being a part of a team. This whole "pipeline to the pros" BS is another thing that puts a burr in my saddle. If you do your schoolwork, aren't a sh!thead, and get decent test scores and want to play sports in college, you can usually do so. Do a little more than the bare minimum and you could find yourself getting paid to go to school somewhere, simply b/c you can ball. However, for most, Podunk U isn't where they think they were supposed to be at (they were thinking OU or Texas, Oregon, etc), so then it's the HC's fault for not getting me recruited and things spiral downward from there. I can't tell you how many 5'9" 250 lb OL I've told, "Son, you're not going to play for Texas, that's just all there is to it", to have them go and transfer schools where they can get recognized and get them a "scholarship". Only to find said kid 4 years down the road changing tires at "Ed's Tire Barn"...lol. Reminds me of: Sorry for the rant... Duece
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Post by irishdog on Apr 7, 2014 12:15:29 GMT -6
In the last 10 years I haven't met a HS basketball coach, or a HS baseball coach I could trust. Used to be the HS football coaches were also the basketball or wrestling coaches in the winter, and/or then became the track or baseball coaches in the spring. And when the HS HFC got older he became the golf coach! Aahh, the good ol' days!
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Post by fantom on Apr 7, 2014 12:27:23 GMT -6
In the last 10 years I haven't met a HS basketball coach, or a HS baseball coach I could trust. Used to be the HS football coaches were also the basketball or wrestling coaches in the winter, and/or then became the track or baseball coaches in the spring. And when the HS HFC got older he became the golf coach! Aahh, the good ol' days! Sorry to hear that. I've met a lot of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 12:40:41 GMT -6
I don't necessarily think it's all the coaches as it is what we have to offer. When you look at it, the basketball guy offers some tough running, but it's indoors. If you live where I live, that's HUGE (FL). The baseball coach offers little to no stressful physical activity and the game is played during the nice time of the year here, so there you go. Football is now on the hind tit, b/c it's one of the more difficult of all the sports and it's played during a rough time of year in certain places. Our wrestling numbers are no different, they don't have any of the little fellers, or the big boys either, constantly forfeiting spots due to nobody there to fill it.
Instead of b!tching about it though, I'd like to see ways we could get our "brand" marketed better. The deck is stacked against us, and unless we want to do the way of the T-Rex, we had better figure out some solutions...
Duece
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