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Post by tatertide03 on Jan 14, 2014 21:58:52 GMT -6
Thought this was pretty awesome and I should share
Players will attend all of their classes and sit in the front two rows of all of their classes. GAs, academic folks, position coaches will be checking constantly now.
No headphones in class. No texting in class. Sit up and take notes.
If a player misses a class, he runs until it hurts. If he misses two classes, his entire position unit runs. If he misses three, the position coach runs. The position coaches don't want to run.
No earrings in the football building. No drugs. No stealing. No guns. Treat women with respect.
Players may not live off campus anymore, unless they're a senior who hits certain academic standards. The University will buy out the leases for every player currently living off campus and put them in the athletic dorm.
The team will all live together, eat together, suffer together, and hang out together. They will become a true team and learn to impose accountability on each other. The cliques are over.
There's no time for a rebuild. "I don't have time for that." The expectation is that Texas wins now.
Players will learn that they would rather practice than milk a minor injury.
The focus is on winning and graduating. Anything extraneous to that is a distraction and will be stamped out or removed.
Strong met individually with seniors and key leaders and re-emphasized that the plan is to win now. They can lead the new culture or be run over by it.
"I don't want to talk about things. I'd rather do things. We just talked. Now it's time to do."
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Post by jg78 on Jan 14, 2014 22:46:01 GMT -6
I like it.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 14, 2014 23:06:02 GMT -6
I find it odd that earrings are at the same priority level as class attendance.
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Post by John Knight on Jan 15, 2014 5:54:47 GMT -6
Good luck with all that!
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Post by coach2013 on Jan 15, 2014 6:18:52 GMT -6
Thanks for the inside look.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 15, 2014 6:22:42 GMT -6
Exactly. Seems like a lot of overkill to me. The part on position coaches running is flat out juvenile. |
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Post by coachg13 on Jan 15, 2014 6:41:46 GMT -6
I like it. High Expectations. Too each his own I guess. We have the rule of no earring while wearing our stuff. Jerseys on game days, work out gear, etc. I don't mind it. Says your about the team not yourself. I don't think it's overkill at all.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 15, 2014 6:53:41 GMT -6
John Knight and emptybackfield Keep in mind that these are probably the exact same standards/expectations he instituted at Louisville. It isn't like he is some first time high school HC coming in to bring sweeping change to a downtrodden program. I would suspect he has done these things before.
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Post by blb on Jan 15, 2014 7:00:53 GMT -6
From what I hear those things are all fairly common among D-I programs.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 15, 2014 7:09:00 GMT -6
I like it. High Expectations. Too each his own I guess. We have the rule of no earring while wearing our stuff. Jerseys on game days, work out gear, etc. I don't mind it. Says your about the team not yourself. I don't think it's overkill at all. Telling 21-23 year old kids that they have to move back into the dorms and making guys in their mid 50's run gassers seems to be overkill. You can have "high expectations" without these kind of things. |
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Post by bigcroz on Jan 15, 2014 7:25:46 GMT -6
Those young men do not have to follow those "overkill" rules if they do not wish to do so. We all have choices in life. Just remember there are consequences for every choice. Kudos to coach Strong for holding those young men to a very high standard!
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Post by brophy on Jan 15, 2014 7:27:53 GMT -6
I like it. High Expectations. Too each his own I guess. We have the rule of no earring while wearing our stuff. Jerseys on game days, work out gear, etc. I don't mind it. Says your about the team not yourself. I don't think it's overkill at all. Telling 21-23 year old kids that they have to move back into the dorms and making guys in their mid 50's run gassers seems to be overkill. You can have "high expectations" without these kind of things. all the more reason those 50 year old coaches need to hammer their players and check up on them before it becomes an issue I don't see how you'd get a player skipping class again after he made his whole position group run. Positive peer culture |
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Post by John Knight on Jan 15, 2014 7:33:55 GMT -6
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Post by wingtol on Jan 15, 2014 7:35:11 GMT -6
I like it. High Expectations. Too each his own I guess. We have the rule of no earring while wearing our stuff. Jerseys on game days, work out gear, etc. I don't mind it. Says your about the team not yourself. I don't think it's overkill at all. Telling 21-23 year old kids that they have to move back into the dorms and making guys in their mid 50's run gassers seems to be overkill. You can have "high expectations" without these kind of things. Or does it place more responsibility on coaches to make sure their guys are doing what they should be, these guys are making a ton of money to coach college kids I think making sure they are in class isn't that much to ask of someone making north of 200k a year. I think having them all live on campus is fine. They are going to school for free, getting all kinds of perks not even remotely available to other students, not to mention I am sure it helps reduce the off field issues when they are in the dorms. Sounds like he has a plan and it's either get on board or get packing. I like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 7:36:48 GMT -6
I'm 50-50 on it. I like some of it, but others I don't. The moving on campus is wishy-washy to me. I understand the creating the team culture and all, but that & the position coach running are a bit overboard. Now we must all realize this man's done it before, and had a lot of success with what he's done. Only time will tell if it works. Overall I like it though, the high expectations are exactly what that team needs. Different strokes for different folks though too, I'm sure Pete Carroll's USC teams (which were pretty dam good too) didn't do these things. I'm sure they hung out together and he definitely helped foster team character, but I doubt he got too bent out of shape on earrings...
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 15, 2014 7:43:05 GMT -6
Telling 21-23 year old kids that they have to move back into the dorms and making guys in their mid 50's run gassers seems to be overkill. You can have "high expectations" without these kind of things. Or does it place more responsibility on coaches to make sure their guys are doing what they should be, these guys are making a ton of money to coach college kids I think making sure they are in class isn't that much to ask of someone making north of 200k a year. Again, my problem isn't holding coaches accountable, it's the juvenile nature of the "punishment" |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 15, 2014 7:44:04 GMT -6
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Post by coachg13 on Jan 15, 2014 8:03:27 GMT -6
I like it. High Expectations. Too each his own I guess. We have the rule of no earring while wearing our stuff. Jerseys on game days, work out gear, etc. I don't mind it. Says your about the team not yourself. I don't think it's overkill at all. Telling 21-23 year old kids that they have to move back into the dorms and making guys in their mid 50's run gassers seems to be overkill. You can have "high expectations" without these kind of things. Like others have said, it's not a democracy. And if you're a position coach getting paid God knows what, I think you can find the time to take to check on your players in class and keep them in line. If you can't you lack the responsibility demanded of Coach Strong at a high level DI program. And it is that - demanded; so if you don't like it...there's the door. If you do not want to run, then get your a$$ to class on time. That's on you. Like DC said I am surprised how many guys are saying these rules are ridiculous. If you don't like them, then don't play football. Coach Strong is not making any one of those guys be there. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 15, 2014 8:18:34 GMT -6
Telling 21-23 year old kids that they have to move back into the dorms and making guys in their mid 50's run gassers seems to be overkill. You can have "high expectations" without these kind of things. Like others have said, it's not a democracy. And if you're a position coach getting paid God knows what, I think you can find the time to take to check on your players in class and keep them in line. You're missing my point, too. You guys are creating straw man arguments. It's not the accountability, it's that the punishment seems rather non-constructive and juvenile. Isn't there something much more productive a position coach could be doing than running the steps of Darrel K. Royal Stadium? The WR coach's cardiovascular health isn't going to help the team win games. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 15, 2014 8:19:42 GMT -6
it is interesting the responses on a coach's board..... Who's football program is it, though? Is it the University's or the players that chose to go to that school? Doing this in a high school is a different animal than doing it in a multi-million dollar DI program. What do you guys think happens after the second player reprimand, when the entire position group is held accountable? . Isn't there something much more productive a position coach could be doing than running the steps of Darrel K. Royal Stadium? like what? |
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Post by coachg13 on Jan 15, 2014 8:22:41 GMT -6
Like others have said, it's not a democracy. And if you're a position coach getting paid God knows what, I think you can find the time to take to check on your players in class and keep them in line. You're missing my point, too. You guys are creating straw man arguments. It's not the accountability, it's that the punishment seems rather non-constructive and juvenile. Isn't there something much more productive a position coach could be doing than running the steps of Darrel K. Royal Stadium? The WR coach's cardiovascular health isn't going to help the team win games. I get where you're coming from - you're right, that won't help them win games. On the other hand it may help with the overall responsibility of kids being on time and where they're supposed to be. I'm not saying I would make the position coaches run, but I can see there's a point to instilling timeliness of your players by having pos coaches take responsibility for their guys. As for the KY new radio thing, that's ridiculous. I agree with the rules and the message Coach Strong is sending, but if and only if those rules are enforced for every single player. I hadn't even though about Dyer when reading those rules. That can't happen. As for Brophy's question: What do you guys think happens after the second player reprimand, when the entire position group is held accountable?I know my a$$ would be in that clowns dorm every morning getting him to class. I'm not running any more for you. Peer-pressure goes a long way. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jan 15, 2014 8:26:51 GMT -6
Like others have said, it's not a democracy. And if you're a position coach getting paid God knows what, I think you can find the time to take to check on your players in class and keep them in line. You're missing my point, too. You guys are creating straw man arguments. It's not the accountability, it's that the punishment seems rather non-constructive and juvenile. Isn't there something much more productive a position coach could be doing than running the steps of Darrel K. Royal Stadium? The WR coach's cardiovascular health isn't going to help the team win games. It's fine. I'd be willing to bet not one of those position coaches down there ever runs. If my HC told me if my position doesn't have their {censored} together that I'd be running with them, they're going to have their {censored} together. I guarantee you I'd never be running. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Jan 15, 2014 8:29:06 GMT -6
it is interesting the responses on a coach's board..... Who's football program is it, though? Is it the University's or the players that chose to go to that school? Doing this in a high school is a different animal than doing it in a multi-million dollar DI program. What do you guys think happens after the second player reprimand, when the entire position group is held accountable? I don't know. I think you can do some of it at the high school level, and at some of the programs with rougher kids, I think you need to. How do you motivate kids who don't have any self-motivation? Peer-pressure would be a big one. It might hurt you real bad in the short term, but, in the long term I think it's going to help you in a struggling program. |
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Post by brophy on Jan 15, 2014 8:30:04 GMT -6
I think I'd skip some lifting sessions just so I could make Coach Mad Dog Madden run
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Post by coachpress on Jan 15, 2014 8:34:25 GMT -6
This is silly. Probably every big time college coach in the country has made exceptions to his "rules" or "values" when it comes to a big time player. Most times when you here that a guy has been kicked off of his team he has broken these "rules" and compromised the coach's "values" numerous times. Does that make the Michael Dyer situation ok? Absolutely not. But Coach Strong is neither the first nor the last college coach who, as a whole, is a fairly morally sound guy, that will have lapses in judgement. |
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Post by morris on Jan 15, 2014 8:50:50 GMT -6
All of that happened before Dyer came to UofL. Now you can knock him for letting the kid into the program but as far as I remember Dyer had no issues at UofL. If people have an issue Strong letting him into the program I would hate to hear what you guys think of Tom Osborne (For the record I have always like Osborne and think he is a great coach and man). I get people thinking the position coach running is juvenile but who honestly thinks a that is going to happen? Its not going to happen because that position coach is going to make sure it doesn't happen. That position group is going to make sure it doesn't happen. Also there are a number of those position coaches that are much younger than 50. The other stuff I just don't see an issue with. It lets people know where your priorities are and what is important. If living off campus is more important than playing D1 college ball or playing for Texas then there are other schools. We don't need you so we can go 7 and whatever. |
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Post by joelee on Jan 15, 2014 9:00:28 GMT -6
These particular rules may have been in place at Louisville but they particularly address some of the culture at Texas that has been cranking out less than expected results.
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Post by sweep26 on Jan 15, 2014 9:01:37 GMT -6
And...what was the kid's track record at L'ville? |
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Post by casec11 on Jan 15, 2014 9:06:32 GMT -6
Could be he is just trying to make a change to shock the culture. Finding what is needed.
Lets say the previous coach was real strict and everyone was in the dorms ect.., whos to say he doesn't come in and say you kids are young adults Im going to give you some leeway.
Obviously he has spotted a need for improvement in the school attendance area.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 15, 2014 9:15:27 GMT -6
it is interesting the responses on a coach's board..... Who's football program is it, though? Is it the University's or the players that chose to go to that school? Doing this in a high school is a different animal than doing it in a multi-million dollar DI program. What do you guys think happens after the second player reprimand, when the entire position group is held accountable? . Isn't there something much more productive a position coach could be doing than running the steps of Darrel K. Royal Stadium? like what? Maybe bringing in the entire position group for extra fundamentals, weights, or film. I know there are some restrictions but they have to be able find something more productive than this. Ron Prince used to run his coaches at K-State and it was a disaster. That doesn't mean that it doesn't work some places, but I'm just throwing that out there. |
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