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Post by mariner42 on Sept 23, 2014 10:02:59 GMT -6
Funny this thread popped back up. We had to travel 1 hour and 15 minutes away to play a JV game last night. Here is what happened in our JV game with 8 minute quarters: Before the game, the coach was telling our JV coach how bad they were and they were. They haven't even scored this season. We only have 16 players. 4 great, 8 good, 3 fine, and 1 bad. There is only so much we can do. Our first play we throw a pick. Our second play we score. Miss extra point. 6-0. We return a punt for a TD. Up 13-0. We get a fumble recovery and then score in about three plays. 20-0. The opposing coach gets the ref to run the clock without our consent. There is 2:30 left in the FIRST QUARTER. We get the ball back with about 4 minutes to go in the half. Drive to the 10 and stall a little, but the clock is running. We have to use all three timeouts just to try and run some plays. Their coach is yelling at us about us using the timeouts. End up kicking a FG on third down after using our last timeout. Up 23-0 at half. They get the 2nd half kickoff and proceed to make a first down against our second team. The third quarter runs out. They have to punt and we fumble the return and they get the ball back. We finally get the ball back for our first possession of the second half and only FIFTH offensive possession of the game. The first time our second offensive has had the ball ALL season. All season. The other three games were all close wins. They have 4 minutes of a running clock. We get a 4th and 20 and throw a seam pass to pick up the first down. Run another play and then try to call timeout so our 8th grade kicker can attempt a 47 yard field goal. He has made a 43 yard field goal in practice. He wasn't going to make this. Refs don't even give us the timeout. Game finishes 23-0 and their coaches are running their mouths at us in handshake line. Remember they were yelling at us before the half was over. I don't care about the score. I really don't. I just want our kids to play a reasonable amount. Our backups deserve to play especially after driving 1 hour and 15 minutes for an away game. If we would have waited until say the fourth quarter to run the clock, the game probably would have turned out 34-6. We would have scored before half and our 2nd team would have probably scored once out of three tries. But they also would have scored. They would played a team that is 80 points better than them to a 34-6 game and would have finally scored and everybody could go home happy. Instead they acted like pansies and then were just looking for a reason to get pissed off because they aren't any good, and everybody is now upset. The refs had a part to play in this also because they allowed the hot clock way to early and then quit calling penalties on them. By the way, this same team beat us by over 40 twice two seasons ago. We just took it and kept playing. This post was way too long. Sorry for the rant. I actually just had a pretty similar situation. We were playing an affluent, academic private school (we're a large, rough-and-tumble public school) and just physically beating on them. With 1:00 left in the half, we score to go up 19-0. Their DB made a p*ss-poor attempt at a tackle and our RB lowers his shoulder into him, lays him out pretty hard. Their trainer decides to call for the ambulance (3rd injury stoppage of more than 5 minutes at this point), so the refs just give us the point and send us to halftime a minute early. After the ambulance leaves, we warm up again for the second half and the refs tell us we are going have a half-way running clock, basically they're going to be looking to run it ASAP and get the game done. At this point, we figure that the other coaches have agreed this isn't a competitive game and start subbing in our 2s and select 3s. In the second half we got the most lopsided officiating I've ever experienced as the refs tried to will the other team back into the game against our 2s. They finally put together a drive and score against our 2s/3s and go for 2 to make it a ten point game with about a minute left. We 'escaped' with a win, but the second half was nearly useless. If we play our 1s, that game because an injury riddled blowout and they likely eject someone for some BS call (my FS got called for targeting for hitting a kid in the chest with his shoulder). If we play our 2s, we're letting a team back into the game that's being artificially kept close by the refs. The good news is that our starting defense has allowed 1 TD in 3 games and hasn't really played past the second half in the last two. So I got that going for me!
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Post by coachwilcox on Sept 23, 2014 10:34:24 GMT -6
We live in a society where good teams are "classless" if they continue to simply play the game, and bad teams are victims.
Good coaches can get fired for a blowout, and bad coaches will get fired for not winning.
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Post by rudyrude9 on Sept 23, 2014 12:24:56 GMT -6
I've learned over the years to just worry about coaching your own guys. Thats a big enough job. Don't worry about how the other coaches coach their guys.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Sept 24, 2014 10:22:02 GMT -6
I'm not sure I understand your point, coach. What would you consider a team that gave up 30 unanswered points in one half? Or, is your point that a quality team would never allow this to happen? Just a little clarity, please. My point is just that I believe that most times a coach can determine the difference between a very overmatched opponent, and just a team playing poorly leading to a blowout. For example, the Falcons up over the Bucs 35-0 at half. I don't think anyone would say that the Bucs were "mismatched" in the same way that we often see mismatches or outmanned teams in a high school contest. I understand perfectly, now. I don't know why I didn't read your original comment that clearly the first time. I get it.
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Post by coachshepherd on Sept 24, 2014 13:40:27 GMT -6
We recently played a team...and lost (still angry), but on one of their films, they played a team so overly matched, it was 66-0 just before halftime. The losing team scored with 47 seconds left in the first half to make it 66-6. What does the team up 60 do, they run a reverse with 35 or 40 seconds left, get tackled at the 1 or 2 yard line, and they run a toss next play to score. 2nd half, the team had their JV in, and were throwing PAP in the 3rd. Scored wound up being 92 to 18 or something like that. Just ridiculous.
I can't say that if we would have had the chance to run it up on that team that I would or wouldn't call off the dogs.
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Post by agame on Sept 25, 2014 3:04:58 GMT -6
I have been on a team which has had the score run up on it..
As an OC. I have never ran the score up on. Anyone...
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Post by gibbs72 on Sept 25, 2014 8:09:09 GMT -6
As a defensive coordinator, I almost vomited on my lap top reading that!
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Post by gibbs72 on Sept 25, 2014 13:48:40 GMT -6
I'd be resigning on the way to my car after the game. Wow!
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Post by wishbone5108 on Sept 25, 2014 18:23:12 GMT -6
to show were better. To demand respect from them.
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Post by cnunley on Sept 25, 2014 19:29:33 GMT -6
Up 35-0 this past week. Had our 2's and 3's in.
We are a gun 2x2/3x1 team that throws a lot.
We ran zone and threw quick game. Nothing deep in the second half.
Their coach went nuts on us during hand shakes.
We ran our offense. How fair is it to have our RB run zone 20 times in a row while our WRs and QB get token time. They work hard during the week, they will get rewarded for it. Were we trying to score again? Not at all, but if we throw a flat route to a slot and he breaks a tackle and scores then good for him.
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Post by bigduke6 on Sept 25, 2014 20:30:12 GMT -6
"Race to 35".
That's our gameplan. Get to 35 pt spread as fast as we can and pump the breaks.
Most guys that "run it up" were/on the other side most of the time and it becomes a "release" of some sort.
I have heard "pummel or be pummeled" many times. All of which were from total jit bags or historically losing coaches.
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Post by piratefootball on Sept 25, 2014 20:43:46 GMT -6
We never run up the score and we are typically pretty talented. I'm a high school coach and when you run it up, you run it up on the kids and not the head coa,ch, community, etc... High school coaching is a "kid business", ours and theirs. Just our philosophy and I make sure new coaches I hire understand it. It's good for kids.
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Post by dlundberg on Sept 28, 2014 22:22:50 GMT -6
I see both sides of this.. I would never leave my starters in late in a blowout game and score as much as possible, go for it on 4th, or onside kick it. But I am going to call plays to put the backups and benchwarmers in as good of a position as possible. Those kids deserve the same coaching effort as starters in my opinion.. Now there are definitely gray areas, but I am never gonna tell or coach a kid that has worked hard in practice that just because we are winning that we can't and aren't going to score.
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Post by joris85 on Sept 29, 2014 0:14:41 GMT -6
I'll start by putting things in perspective: I'm a European coach, coaching 14-19 year olds, most of them in their first or second year playing football. We typically don't have any depth, meaning everyone will at least start somewhere, which means we can't "get the 2's in". Also, many European coaches aren't aware of gentlemen's agreements about whether or not running up the score.
This weekend after the game I had a talk with our opposing coach about the team he'll face next week. He'll play a team full of youngsters, all in their first year playing football. They really doesn't stand a chance. He told me he didn't know how to make things interesting for his team, so he planned to use the goal to hang 100 on them. I told him we might need that team to have another quality opponent in the future and running up the score won't help in keeping that team together.
I proposed to: - Change everyone's position - Work on being fundamentally sound, work on your own little details and use that as your goal - Don't go crazy in your playcalling But still they'll win big.. I think he didn't get the message that running up the score doesn't help anyone. We'll see what he does next week.
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Post by headhunta52 on Sept 30, 2014 6:30:55 GMT -6
This last Friday, for the first time in my life I actively ran up the score. Last year our athletic program came under fire from complaints from one of our JV parents who so happens to be a principal at an opposing conference school.
He wanted us essentially to run our athletic program like he does at his school, he would complain about petty things (mouthpiece distribution, physicals, insurance money collection).
The last straw came when he accused my JV head coach (who was my HC when I played and my mentor when I began coaching) of leaving his son in the game with a concussion. This lead to a huge state investigation that forced my JV HC to retire from the game even though he was eventually found innocent thru video evidence.
Fastforward to Friday. They come to our house to play; we have them down 35-0 at the half. During the intermission he calls me and my principal over and tells us to lay off in the second half "don't embarrass my kids". I proceed to onside kick for the remainder of the half.
Final score 48-0, they ran only 10 offensive snaps all game and did not touch the ball in the second half. While it did not feel good to do that to the opposing coach and players who had nothing to do with the whole situation it did feel good to have that idiot essentially plead for mercy. Cant say I feel %100 ok with what I did though.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 30, 2014 17:08:12 GMT -6
This last Friday, for the first time in my life I actively ran up the score. Last year our athletic program came under fire from complaints from one of our JV parents who so happens to be a principal at an opposing conference school. He wanted us essentially to run our athletic program like he does at his school, he would complain about petty things (mouthpiece distribution, physicals, insurance money collection). The last straw came when he accused my JV head coach (who was my HC when I played and my mentor when I began coaching) of leaving his son in the game with a concussion. This lead to a huge state investigation that forced my JV HC to retire from the game even though he was eventually found innocent thru video evidence. Fastforward to Friday. They come to our house to play; we have them down 35-0 at the half. During the intermission he calls me and my principal over and tells us to lay off in the second half "don't embarrass my kids". I proceed to onside kick for the remainder of the half. Final score 48-0, they ran only 10 offensive snaps all game and did not touch the ball in the second half. While it did not feel good to do that to the opposing coach and players who had nothing to do with the whole situation it did feel good to have that idiot essentially plead for mercy. Cant say I feel %100 ok with what I did though. OH....if only you would have replied "Remember how you tried to embarass Coach _________". You can tell your kids YOU are the reason for what is about to happen to them!
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Post by bigduke6 on Sept 30, 2014 17:43:35 GMT -6
This last Friday, for the first time in my life I actively ran up the score. Last year our athletic program came under fire from complaints from one of our JV parents who so happens to be a principal at an opposing conference school. He wanted us essentially to run our athletic program like he does at his school, he would complain about petty things (mouthpiece distribution, physicals, insurance money collection). The last straw came when he accused my JV head coach (who was my HC when I played and my mentor when I began coaching) of leaving his son in the game with a concussion. This lead to a huge state investigation that forced my JV HC to retire from the game even though he was eventually found innocent thru video evidence. Fastforward to Friday. They come to our house to play; we have them down 35-0 at the half. During the intermission he calls me and my principal over and tells us to lay off in the second half "don't embarrass my kids". I proceed to onside kick for the remainder of the half. Final score 48-0, they ran only 10 offensive snaps all game and did not touch the ball in the second half. While it did not feel good to do that to the opposing coach and players who had nothing to do with the whole situation it did feel good to have that idiot essentially plead for mercy. Cant say I feel %100 ok with what I did though. One of the most ridiculous testimonies I have ever heard on here. I am sure the boy on your team JUST loved how his dad and his own HFC do battle with each other with football teams. Maybe you should have had his boy run the rock the whole game and essentially use him to run it up on his dad!!! Sarcasm intended. "It felt good to hear him plea for mercy". He did, you had your orgasm, but you on-sided the kick? Class baby, class!!! You should feel shame. You took your anger out on another man by punishing your colleagues and HS boys. Little head told the big head what to do.
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Post by blackwaterb on Oct 10, 2014 22:26:12 GMT -6
I'm a brand-new member here, and have read a lot of thoughtful responses...and a lot of condescending garbage, as well. Yes, a big part of football is teaching, growing, and molding young men. I take some pride in doing that. I always feel my kids learn some meaningful life lessons during their time with our program; the benefits of hard work, discipline, teamwork, etc. But, during our "lean" years, we've suffered our share of whippings, and during and "strong" years, we've given some. And I hope my kids remember the lessons from suffering through blow-outs: life piles on, sometimes; get back up; keep working; MAKE things get better.
Besides, sports are meant to be a physical, athletic celebration of sorts. "Look at what we (and I) can do with the gifts I've been given! Watch as my teammates and I make the most of who we are." That doesn't mean I've left starters in for the express purpose of humiliating a team. I haven't. It means I try to coach my kids to play hard, play "our" brand of ball, and do everything they can to be successful every minute they play. When the starters are in, we play our game. When the subs are in, we still play our game.
As I mentioned, I've received my share of beatings, too. I believe it is the "losing" coach's responsibility to make certain adjustments in these games, too. When I'm getting blown out and the opposing coach decides to go to his bench, I promise, I'm going straight to mine as well. Nothing ticks me off quicker than a team that I KNOW is prone to whining about someone "running up the score" leaving their 1st team in against my younger 2nd and 3rd team kids.
Speaking of which, that situation popped up last year against a conference opponent we knew quite well. Yes, they whined when they lost big. Still, I liked their coaches and we all got along pretty well. Midway through the 4th, we score to go up 40-16. Now, the game is over, and recalling an email our conference administration sent out that week about not running up scores (prompted by a complaint by this weeks opponent because of their loss the previous week) I quickly put a mixture of 2nd and 3rd team defense on the field. These are, of course, younger kids. They send out their starters, put together a long TD drive, and I see several of my little young 'uns getting man-handled. This irritated me to no end. We return the kickoff to their 35 with 15 seconds left, I put my first team offense back in and score on 1 play.
When the coaches talked to me about it the following week (in a mature fashion, for once) I told them: we offered a truce. It's your job to run up the white flag.
Okay, that my 2 cents.
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