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Post by newhope on Oct 21, 2013 11:14:56 GMT -6
I also had one of my best friends get mad one time because our subs scored late in the game on him. He was calling time outs so we couldn't take a knee, and a kid breaks loose and scores on an up the middle run. Of course his starters were the entire game, long after we subbed, and scored on a halfback pass on our third string. But he's the one who got mad. Go figure. He got over it.
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Post by morris on Oct 21, 2013 14:21:15 GMT -6
Has anyone ever had a rival that the blood was just so bad each team tried to hang as many as they could? I've been on both sides of the score like all of us. There have been just programs I've coached or played against that hated each other and some times those games got out of control as far as scores
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Post by airman on Oct 21, 2013 18:52:29 GMT -6
If you are offended by the score you should ask yourself why? remember, when you point your finger at someone else there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.
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Post by airman on Oct 22, 2013 12:17:30 GMT -6
what i consider no class is when a team is up big and then they start practicing their gadget plays. clearly you have no confidence in them if you have to wait until it is a no lose situation.
It has been my experience you can tell if a guy is running it up by the way he handles himself when it is done to him. If you can hang 77 on my go ahead but do not be upset when I do the same in a few years. Also, do not expect me to run the ball as I am a passing coaching.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Oct 24, 2013 9:03:45 GMT -6
My Dad taught me: Don't kick a man when he's down, never whine and complain, and don't jump off a cliff just because someone else is doing it.
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Post by 3rdandlong on Oct 24, 2013 9:51:48 GMT -6
We were up 49-0 in the fourth quarter and had all of our JV's in the game, guys who were hungry to play on a Friday night. We ran our base concept which is zone out of 10 personnel. However, we always attach a bubble to our zone play. We gave it the first time despite the defense keeping 7 in the box. Our QB then started throwing the bubble since we did not see the point in letting our little JV RB get pounded by running into a 7 man box when we only had 5 to block. We marched down the field throwing the bubble and scored. The next series, the defense completely left a slot receiver uncovered. The slot and the QB made the adjustment and communicated on the field just like they were coached to do and scored on a seam route. It was not my intention to score throwing the ball and the opponent was clearly upset. I tried to explain it to him, but he wasn't having it and called me classless.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 24, 2013 11:13:48 GMT -6
We were up 49-0 in the fourth quarter and had all of our JV's in the game, guys who were hungry to play on a Friday night. We ran our base concept which is zone out of 10 personnel. However, we always attach a bubble to our zone play. We gave it the first time despite the defense keeping 7 in the box. Our QB then started throwing the bubble since we did not see the point in letting our little JV RB get pounded by running into a 7 man box when we only had 5 to block. We marched down the field throwing the bubble and scored. The next series, the defense completely left a slot receiver uncovered. The slot and the QB made the adjustment and communicated on the field just like they were coached to do and scored on a seam route. It was not my intention to score throwing the ball and the opponent was clearly upset. I tried to explain it to him, but he wasn't having it and called me classless. This is what pisses me off. More teams don't know how to handle themselves when getting drilled than being way up. I am not suggesting anyone should quit. But when you are way down in the 4th quarter, you should also show some class and have some respect for the game and your players. I have seen teams never take their starters out. I have seen them change their game plan and start blitzing the subs because they know they can. And then when the subs throw a screen or pass to protect themselves or because the coach doesn't feel like his subs should be targets, the blitzers get all pissed off. I have also seen teams be down by 35 with 5 minutes left and kick an onside kick after they finally scored on some scrubs to make it 42-7. Really?? Each coach can decide how he wants to handle each situation. But if you are never going to concede even when it is in your best interests, then you don't have a right to complain about another team running the score up. Sometimes it is just better to play your subs for experience and morale. Sometimes it is better to rest your starters and keep them healthy for the next game/playoffs. It is always better to play your defense than some bs blitzing game to take out your frustration of how your team played on the other team's subs. Have class winning and losing and when a game is for sure decided, think about your program. Again, no one should quit. Just play with different players and same gameplan when game is decided.
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Post by coachdennis on Oct 24, 2013 13:29:07 GMT -6
As a young coach, I used to be a lot more sensitive to this issue, getting upset if I thought someone was running it up on us, taking great pains not to run it up on other people, etc.
The older I got, the more I realized that most of the kids really don't care about the score as much as the adults do. It's our egos that keep getting in the way. As a result, I'm a lot less fussed than I used to be about teams scoring late on us, and while I will sub freely in the second half of our blowouts, I won't run a fat kid up the middle, take knees, etc. like I used to.
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Post by cqmiller on Oct 24, 2013 13:44:04 GMT -6
1st Half... GAME ON
No such thing as running it up in 1st half. They could be working on their 2-minute drill offense for next week's opponent, could be giving their kicker an opportunity to practice onside kicks in non-practice situation... using it as a glorified practice with varsity in 1st half is all good.
If it is the 2nd half... Stop the onsides and 2-pt conversions. If they are working their backup QB, RB, WR's, OL and going 2-minute drill. Oh well. Not running it up. Doing what they do with backups in... I'm all good with it.
IF the starters are in, and they have the pedal down... I have issue with it.
I got another coach pissed off at me my 1st year as HC because I was running power over and over again in 4th trying to just get out of the game (up by 17 with about 5 minutes left, backup RB's in the game). He is burning timeouts to get the ball back... 3rd & 10, I go PAP flood to just get the 1st... QB scrambles and scores TD on a scramble. He wants to fight me for running up the score... I just said "timeouts = GAME STILL ON". Just let me run the clock and try a long FG if you think scoring again will be running it up.
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Post by pain on Oct 24, 2013 14:17:15 GMT -6
The one thing that irks me more than anything in regards to taking out your #1's & subbing liberally is when the opposing team does not reciprocate. If I'm calling off the dogs, then get your back ups in and run out the clock. Don't celebrate because you're scoring on our practice squad. I won't run up the score so don't be a douche bag and keep your #1's in the game; because next year I may not be so nice.
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Post by planck on Oct 24, 2013 15:42:31 GMT -6
We're a 21 personnel team, and, no {censored}, I once had a 44 team corner blitz us while we had subs running out the clock. They just didn't even cover the z. Our header wouldn't go for it, but we suggested just throwing it to the uncovered z next time and get an easy 6.
It's one thing to take your foot off the gas. It's another to just let the opponent act like a moron and bring 10 guys, assuming that you're going to let him pretend that you can't pass if you want to.
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Post by morris on Oct 24, 2013 16:18:29 GMT -6
I've had the above happen. The team we were playing went Cov 0. So yeah I called the fade. We scored and they called it back. So we ran the play again and they got out of Cov 0. We then just kept the ball on the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 18:12:41 GMT -6
At some point they are going to nail somebody for bullying....yes somebody in texas already tried it.
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Post by silkyice on Oct 25, 2013 5:46:40 GMT -6
At some point they are going to nail somebody for bullying....yes somebody in texas already tried it. No they aren't ever going to nail somebody with bullying for running up the score.
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Post by spos21ram on Oct 25, 2013 5:54:35 GMT -6
At some point they are going to nail somebody for bullying....yes somebody in texas already tried it. Won't happen unless the winning coach and his players are mouthing off at the opposing team all game, belittling, threatening, then running up the score with the first team in all game. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 6:52:10 GMT -6
At some point they are going to nail somebody for bullying....yes somebody in texas already tried it. No they aren't ever going to nail somebody with bullying for running up the score. The way this is going I don't know how anybody can say its not going to happen...BUT I DO HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2013 6:53:39 GMT -6
At some point they are going to nail somebody for bullying....yes somebody in texas already tried it. Won't happen unless the winning coach and his players are mouthing off at the opposing team all game, belittling, threatening, then running up the score with the first team in all game. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards It should never happen, But if it does I will almost guarantee It will not be anything to that extent.
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Post by Defcord on Sept 22, 2014 11:36:31 GMT -6
What about the flip side. Taking out your O but leaving in your starting D to secure the shut out? We've done that before. I know this post is a year old but I was having this discussion after our last game. We were up 44-0 first half. I put my 2's in. I am the DL coach. The other team ends up scoring and a couple of our coaches freak out. I am usually an anything goes in the first half guy, but this game was clearly done.
My theory was get in the 2's because they work hard all week. They may need to be 1's at some point. Don't get a starter hurt.
What's everyone else's theory on preserving the shutout?
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Post by dytmook on Sept 22, 2014 14:34:30 GMT -6
Tempting as it may be I did try to get us to score a few more points to get the running clock a few weeks ago. We were likely going to get a lot of young guys in, but I feel it's much easier to do when you start the second half with a running clock.
If we are close to a shut out at the end of the game with the scrubs in, yes I want to hold for a shut out. If they chuck one to their starting WR over our 5'3" CB who forgot to tie his shoes am I going to flip a lid? no.
Shut out is nice, but if they other guys get one. Good for them, I hope it helps them build to something.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Sept 22, 2014 17:45:12 GMT -6
Just two weeks ago, a team in our conference was up 27-0 at the half. They lost 30-27.
Running up the score and knowing how to maintain a healthy lead can often be attributed to experience.
My second year as a HC, I was up BIG on a team. I didn't want to punt as it was late in the 4th. It was just a dumb pride thing. Like a dumba$$ I called a reverse and told the RB to run out of bounds after he got the first down. What did he do?...you guessed it, he saw green grass and took the hell off!
I felt like the biggest heal in all of football. I still feel it today. I was young and dumb. Dumber than dumb. There was no place for what I did. I apologized profusely to the HC and his principal. It was the only win I had that I would have given back had the rules allowed.
What made it worse, is that our camera went down after the first quarter. I had to ask the team we just embarrassed for a copy.
One of the worst couple of days of my coaching career.
Any coach out there who had ideas of burning someone's a$$ if they ever get the chance...I promise you it won't feel as good as you think it will.
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Post by olcoach53 on Sept 22, 2014 17:55:47 GMT -6
Again it seems like everybody else in here, I have been on both ends of this. Have taken some beatings where the opposition is throwing the ball still in the fourth quarter and have taken some where it seems like they are playing all of their sophomores and running dive.
I have also been criticized once for throwing a halfback pass right after halftime to get a running clock. After that play I subbed everybody out and ran dive and iso.
I believe it is my responsibility as a coach to score points and try to win the game. It is the oppositions job to try and stop me. That being said there comes a certain point in the game where passes, trick plays and onside kicks get to be rubbing it in and trying to run up the score. Those points aren't necessary and hurt everybody involved.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 22, 2014 18:04:16 GMT -6
Just two weeks ago, a team in our conference was up 27-0 at the half. They lost 30-27. I understand the point here, however I think that most quality coaches can determine the difference between a team playing poorly, and a team that doesn't belong on the field with yours.
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Post by biggus3 on Sept 22, 2014 20:59:42 GMT -6
Has anyone ever had a rival that the blood was just so bad each team tried to hang as many as they could? I've been on both sides of the score like all of us. There have been just programs I've coached or played against that hated each other and some times those games got out of control as far as scores This just happened to us on friday. Our cross town rival has a four star qb, and a stellar defense. Three picks sixes, a punt return , and three tds from their qb later and we are down 50 with 1:38 left in the 2nd. Fortunately the game was called due to lightning because we hate each other so bad that they would have never taken their foot off the gas. They would love nothing better for their kid to secure his mr football campaign on us.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Sept 22, 2014 21:18:56 GMT -6
Not something we've ever done, though a couple of times a year we put the second team skill players in with the first team OL for one series, then bring in the second OL. Sometimes it's hard to even get a play off with the end of the bench OL, so it's nice for those second team skill guys to get a series like that sometimes, especially if the backup QB is a junior we are trying to develop.
We're in kind of a weird situation in that typically the only team we play that can blow us out happens in either a state championship or state semi-final game. We've taken some one-sided losses in those games but I've never felt upset about the way the other team played. One year they end up putting their starting offense back in in the fourth quarter to run out the game when they are up by 40+ and our newspaper tried to make a big deal out of it, but it never crossed my mind to be mad at them for it. When you take a 40+ point butt kicking I think you should focus on what you need to work on rather than what the other guy should be doing with his program.
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Post by shocktroop34 on Sept 23, 2014 5:09:39 GMT -6
Just two weeks ago, a team in our conference was up 27-0 at the half. They lost 30-27. I understand the point here, however I think that most quality coaches can determine the difference between a team playing poorly, and a team that doesn't belong on the field with yours. I'm not sure I understand your point, coach. What would you consider a team that gave up 30 unanswered points in one half? Or, is your point that a quality team would never allow this to happen? Just a little clarity, please.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 23, 2014 5:27:39 GMT -6
I understand the point here, however I think that most quality coaches can determine the difference between a team playing poorly, and a team that doesn't belong on the field with yours. I'm not sure I understand your point, coach. What would you consider a team that gave up 30 unanswered points in one half? Or, is your point that a quality team would never allow this to happen? Just a little clarity, please. My point is just that I believe that most times a coach can determine the difference between a very overmatched opponent, and just a team playing poorly leading to a blowout. For example, the Falcons up over the Bucs 35-0 at half. I don't think anyone would say that the Bucs were "mismatched" in the same way that we often see mismatches or outmanned teams in a high school contest.
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Post by Wingtman on Sept 23, 2014 7:13:21 GMT -6
I'm embaraased to say I've done in twice, once in basketball and once in football. In the football game, it was me being young, arrogent and bitter about the former job I left (I was engaged to a girl, it went south, we were both teachers, I felt they picked her over me), I hung 48 on their football team out of spite. I didnt feel the AD/Head Coach, even my fellow coaches supported me. When I was fired, they stopped talking to me. In basketball, was against a coach who ran the score up on EVERYONE. Well one year I had a very talented team. We were up 28 at half. Took the first 3 minutes in the second half to get the lead to 38. Then called the dogs off. The other coach was blowing a gasset on the sideline. Cursing me, threating me, telling me it'll happen to me. I just shrugged and reminded him he beat us by 27 the year before. My AD shook my hand after the game and said its about time he got his. "/ Now, anytime we are up 35 (mercy clock in MO) I just run belly. If we score running on a belly, I feel thats the best I can do. My kids deserve to play too, but if we are just running the ball between the tackles, its ok.
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Post by wolverine55 on Sept 23, 2014 7:14:18 GMT -6
Has anyone ever had a rival that the blood was just so bad each team tried to hang as many as they could? I've been on both sides of the score like all of us. There have been just programs I've coached or played against that hated each other and some times those games got out of control as far as scores At my last coaching job, our rival had us down 41-0, which started the running clock, before we scored twice to make it 41-14. I don't know if they were mad we scored or what, but they actually went no-huddle and threw two deep passes on us at the end of the game trying to tack another one on. It was with their second string offense, but still...
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Post by silkyice on Sept 23, 2014 8:53:03 GMT -6
Funny this thread popped back up. We had to travel 1 hour and 15 minutes away to play a JV game last night. Here is what happened in our JV game with 8 minute quarters:
Before the game, the coach was telling our JV coach how bad they were and they were. They haven't even scored this season. We only have 16 players. 4 great, 8 good, 3 fine, and 1 bad. There is only so much we can do.
Our first play we throw a pick.
Our second play we score. Miss extra point. 6-0.
We return a punt for a TD. Up 13-0.
We get a fumble recovery and then score in about three plays. 20-0.
The opposing coach gets the ref to run the clock without our consent. There is 2:30 left in the FIRST QUARTER.
We get the ball back with about 4 minutes to go in the half. Drive to the 10 and stall a little, but the clock is running. We have to use all three timeouts just to try and run some plays. Their coach is yelling at us about us using the timeouts. End up kicking a FG on third down after using our last timeout. Up 23-0 at half.
They get the 2nd half kickoff and proceed to make a first down against our second team. The third quarter runs out. They have to punt and we fumble the return and they get the ball back.
We finally get the ball back for our first possession of the second half and only FIFTH offensive possession of the game. The first time our second offensive has had the ball ALL season. All season. The other three games were all close wins. They have 4 minutes of a running clock. We get a 4th and 20 and throw a seam pass to pick up the first down. Run another play and then try to call timeout so our 8th grade kicker can attempt a 47 yard field goal. He has made a 43 yard field goal in practice. He wasn't going to make this. Refs don't even give us the timeout.
Game finishes 23-0 and their coaches are running their mouths at us in handshake line. Remember they were yelling at us before the half was over.
I don't care about the score. I really don't. I just want our kids to play a reasonable amount. Our backups deserve to play especially after driving 1 hour and 15 minutes for an away game. If we would have waited until say the fourth quarter to run the clock, the game probably would have turned out 34-6. We would have scored before half and our 2nd team would have probably scored once out of three tries. But they also would have scored. They would played a team that is 80 points better than them to a 34-6 game and would have finally scored and everybody could go home happy. Instead they acted like pansies and then were just looking for a reason to get pissed off because they aren't any good, and everybody is now upset.
The refs had a part to play in this also because they allowed the hot clock way to early and then quit calling penalties on them.
By the way, this same team beat us by over 40 twice two seasons ago. We just took it and kept playing.
This post was way too long. Sorry for the rant.
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Post by coachcotner on Sept 23, 2014 8:59:59 GMT -6
Never have understood the whole complaining about the score being ran up against you.............if you don't like it then stop it and if you can't then get better so it doesn't happen.
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