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Post by fantom on Aug 25, 2013 8:59:30 GMT -6
I'd heard about it but hadn't seen it until just now and then it was only after I turned it on late. In this episode it seemed that this was a couple of days into camp. The very first scene that I saw, the team was lined up in twos and jogging from the locker to the field. It seemed like a healthy distance. The first drill had the guys bear-crawling up a hill. My first impression: What are these guys, nuts?
Anybody else see it and have impressions? If there's something that I missed that's important feel free to let us know. Don't worry about spoilers. It ain't Breaking Bad.
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Post by spos21ram on Aug 25, 2013 10:19:18 GMT -6
I've only seen previews, but to get away with that they must have a very strong football culture in that town. They're school board and admin are on board with it along with the parents. I'm not quite sure it would fly in most places.
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Post by fballcoachg on Aug 25, 2013 10:52:01 GMT -6
I watch most of it and thought it was terrible judgement for the school to put it on TV. With the culture being what it is and with programs struggling for numbers as is it didn't seem too wise to have yourself on TV screaming non-stop at high schoolers. There is another scene where they put the kids to sleep then charge in to the rooms at 12:30 waking them up and making them do sprints. It didn't seem like there was much point to their trip atleast with the means used that I saw and it put out the archaic drill instructor hard a$$ coach stereotype
Even the name made me cringe. It had a very much, "I'm going to break these kids down physically and mentally because I'm Bear Bryant reincarnate" feel to it. It's a shame because they could have easily followed another program and highlighted the positive advancements coaches have made and positive means to produce team building.
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Post by wingtol on Aug 25, 2013 10:58:34 GMT -6
That team is playing on ESPN right now or one of their stations.
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Post by spos21ram on Aug 25, 2013 11:04:59 GMT -6
What school is it?
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Post by fantom on Aug 25, 2013 11:42:23 GMT -6
Just saw a little more at halftime of the HS game. Now I'm completely convinced that the guy is out of his mind.
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Post by brophy on Aug 25, 2013 12:59:01 GMT -6
 Is this the sequel to Year of the Bull? |
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Post by wingtol on Aug 25, 2013 13:01:31 GMT -6
That is last year season Brophy, there is a new one with a school from Tennessee. The new one is like boot camp. Some crazy stuff.
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Post by brophy on Aug 25, 2013 13:09:22 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Aug 25, 2013 13:37:01 GMT -6
Looks to me like you've got a some coaches who watched "GI Jane" a few too many times.
But, I s'pose you can do damn near anything when you have buy-in like that from the players and community.
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Post by fantom on Aug 25, 2013 14:04:22 GMT -6
Looks to me like you've got a some coaches who watched "GI Jane" a few too many times. But, I s'pose you can do {censored} near anything when you have buy-in like that from the players and community. I don't think some of our guys would react well to being screamed at to get off the bus and start doing pushups. Not sure that I'd react well to being told to do the screaming. Particularly since we have quite a few military kids (one of our guys has a mom and dad in the Marines) I'd feel really stupid playing Parris Island. |
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Post by coachcb on Aug 25, 2013 14:23:19 GMT -6
Looks to me like you've got a some coaches who watched "GI Jane" a few too many times. But, I s'pose you can do {censored} near anything when you have buy-in like that from the players and community. I don't think some of our guys would react well to being screamed at to get off the bus and start doing pushups. Not sure that I'd react well to being told to do the screaming. Particularly since we have quite a few military kids (one of our guys has a mom and dad in the Marines) I'd feel really stupid playing Parris Island. I coached under a fellow who was in the Marine Corp Reserves and he coached like the guy in these clips. Our results were much different from the school depicted in this documentary.... I wouldn't coach like that even if it were effective. And, I would have a hard time sending kids up hills doing bear crawls seeing as a)there aren't any hills on a football field and b) a bear crawl isn't an integral part of any skill we teach. |
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Post by dubber on Aug 25, 2013 14:47:47 GMT -6
I wonder how much the tv cameras make the coaches act crazier?
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Post by fballcoachg on Aug 25, 2013 15:28:16 GMT -6
I didn't think the Case one was bad, actually thought the coaches were more positive and it was more player centered, from what I watched on this one it seemed coach centered and that he wasn't as interested in making better football players as he was in being a hard a$$...but that's just my commie pinko view.
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Post by bucksweepdotcom on Aug 25, 2013 16:40:49 GMT -6
We used to go to camp for a week. It was tough enough to go through the 4 four times we went out to the field. We had our moments as a staff during the years but it looks a little over the top.
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Post by joelee on Aug 26, 2013 12:42:56 GMT -6
Station Camp went 5-6 last year. I'd maybe look into a different approach.
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Post by newhope on Aug 26, 2013 13:19:30 GMT -6
I'm glad it's not just me...I thought maybe I'd gone soft in my old age when I saw it and thought it was a bit over the top.
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Post by morris on Aug 28, 2013 11:47:17 GMT -6
I don't think some of our guys would react well to being screamed at to get off the bus and start doing pushups. Not sure that I'd react well to being told to do the screaming. Particularly since we have quite a few military kids (one of our guys has a mom and dad in the Marines) I'd feel really stupid playing Parris Island. I coached under a fellow who was in the Marine Corp Reserves and he coached like the guy in these clips. Our results were much different from the school depicted in this documentary.... I wouldn't coach like that even if it were effective. And, I would have a hard time sending kids up hills doing bear crawls seeing as a)there aren't any hills on a football field and b) a bear crawl isn't an integral part of any skill we teach. I know a number of teams that bear crawl up hills. Some times backwards. They do it in part for conditioning but they also do it to get more bend in the ankle, knees and hips. |
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Post by Coach Bennett on Aug 28, 2013 11:57:56 GMT -6
Station Camp went 5-6 last year. I'd maybe look into a different approach. Google how they've went the last four, five, even six years. That wasn't coaching. That was power tripping under the guise of "building young men." How about the drill where the ball carrier is handed the ball, turns around only to get blasted by two dudes? What I want to know is, what connection does Station Camp have to ESPN/Dick's to get on television? Seems like there are hundreds of teams across the country doing their own versions of team building, conditioning and proper coaching of fundamentals that would make a better story. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 28, 2013 11:59:38 GMT -6
I'm glad it's not just me...I thought maybe I'd gone soft in my old age when I saw it and thought it was a bit over the top. I don't like it because it isn't my style but coaches have different personalities and locations have different cultures. I can't believe that they let themselves get filmed and shown on TV. A few years ago we were in preliminary talks for a televised game but it would have included filming of practices. That was a deal-breaker. Not that we felt that we had anything to hide but there's a lot of stuff that can be taken the wrong way at a football practice. |
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 28, 2013 12:07:52 GMT -6
That's was my reaction to our scrimmage this past Saturday. This year, we have more parents actively involved in the raising of their children and we love it. But, our staff met after and was talking about how much our parents loved us. Yeah, because we destroyed the other team. We were still harping on kids about the usual mistakes you see in scrimmages (ie. sloppiness, laziness, poor fundamentals, not finishing plays, etc.). But since we scored a lot, we were "strict and upholding our standard of play". If we had gotten trounced, we would be "overbearing and taking a kids' game too seriously." I would never want parents, much less a television audience, seeing one of our practices.
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Post by fantom on Aug 28, 2013 12:21:54 GMT -6
That's was my reaction to our scrimmage this past Saturday. This year, we have more parents actively involved in the raising of their children and we love it. But, our staff met after and was talking about how much our parents loved us. Yeah, because we destroyed the other team. We were still harping on kids about the usual mistakes you see in scrimmages (ie. sloppiness, laziness, poor fundamentals, not finishing plays, etc.). But since we scored a lot, we were "strict and upholding our standard of play". If we had gotten trounced, we would be "overbearing and taking a kids' game too seriously." I would never want parents, much less a television audience, seeing one of our practices. What worries me is that they'll catch us saying something embarrassing about a kid when we don't know that the camera is on us. If you saw the Jets on Hard Knocks there was a scene where the coaches were talking about how bad a player was. Who needs that? |
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Post by coachphillip on Aug 28, 2013 12:22:50 GMT -6
"When Dante's in we might as well call it Cover 0."
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Post by newhope on Aug 29, 2013 10:51:49 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have wanted the cameras at practice yesterday when his teammates were giving a player a hard time throughout practice because he had used his off campus lunch to have his first "experience" with a young lady....or the part where we had to explain to our most "upright" coach about what was going on--although it would have made for entertaining tv.
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Post by coachsmi0901 on Aug 30, 2013 22:01:18 GMT -6
I guess my main takeaway from this was how were they able to pull this off with the policies in place as far as practice times/amount of time out? They made it seem like these kids were out all day doing football. I know that wasn't the case, but still, how are they able to pull off a fall camp like this? Are there many programs out there that have away-from-home fall camps where they travel their team somewhere?
Also, where did the coaches get some of their drills? What fundamentals does it teach to give a tailback the ball to turn around and get the piss knocked out him by two defenders?
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Post by airman on Sept 2, 2013 19:46:19 GMT -6
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Post by airman on Sept 2, 2013 19:47:24 GMT -6
this is how it is done gentlemen |
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Post by airman on Sept 2, 2013 19:52:19 GMT -6
Many think he his just yelling. He is however teaching to think critically and take orders under fire.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 2, 2013 20:08:42 GMT -6
this is how it is done gentlemen How what is done? I didn't see a single good block, tackle, route, catch, stance, start, get off, key read, or any other football move in the video? |
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Post by airman on Sept 2, 2013 20:10:49 GMT -6
this is how it is done gentlemen How what is done? I didn't see a single good block, tackle, route, catch, stance, start, get off, key read, or any other football move in the video? how you develop a cohesive unit. |
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