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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 2, 2013 20:24:07 GMT -6
Pretty sure none of John Gagliardi's units were developed like that. Of course he only won 489 games..so.... JT curtis's staff doesn't operate like that.. but then again he has only won over 500 games and 25 state titles in 44 years. But he has lost 54 games (10 the first year 44 spread out over the next 43 years) so maybe he needs to do this . Might help him. The USMC is indoctrinating individuals... that is not what a HS football coach should do. I find it interesting that you often reference the military in your posts, but then you have also repeatedly bragged about times when if something didn't go your way (ie an administrator didn't give you the answer you wanted) your reply was basically to just quit. The military does not have this luxury, nor is it in their indoctrination process is it?
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Post by airman on Sept 2, 2013 21:13:13 GMT -6
Pretty sure none of John Gagliardi's units were developed like that. Of course he only won 489 games..so.... JT curtis's staff doesn't operate like that.. but then again he has only won over 500 games and 25 state titles in 44 years. But he has lost 54 games (10 the first year 44 spread out over the next 43 years) so maybe he needs to do this . Might help him. The USMC is indoctrinating individuals... that is not what a HS football coach should do. I find it interesting that you often reference the military in your posts, but then you have also repeatedly bragged about times when if something didn't go your way (ie an administrator didn't give you the answer you wanted) your reply was basically to just quit. The military does not have this luxury, nor is it in their indoctrination process is it? John gagliardi coached at an all mens school which had no title 9 issues where at the rest of the miac are coed and thus have title 9 issues. Jt Curtis is another private school coach who is able to pluck the best athletes from through out the city of New Orleans. Guys like that are like the coach at kentuck. not to hard to win when you have 5 of the top 10 b ball recruits in the land. what you say is indoctrination is actually critical thinking skills. everything done in boot camp has a purpose. you know why the usmc does physical training in the sand? It is to make you be able to focus on the task at hand while being in an uncomfortable state. If the USMC took over the most troubled schools in the land there would be no drop outs. No I do not quit I just go above them an make life difficult for them.
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Post by spreadattack on Sept 3, 2013 6:13:05 GMT -6
The USMC guys also have specific training in these methods. I worry when an otherwise good football coach and good man thinks he needs to impersonate one of these guys. I'm all about football being about creating adversity to create a team and better men, but I worry whenever it's just High School Harry kind of power struggles. Football should be hard, but football practice should also be about football.
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Post by fballcoachg on Sept 3, 2013 19:52:50 GMT -6
Pretty sure none of John Gagliardi's units were developed like that. Of course he only won 489 games..so.... JT curtis's staff doesn't operate like that.. but then again he has only won over 500 games and 25 state titles in 44 years. But he has lost 54 games (10 the first year 44 spread out over the next 43 years) so maybe he needs to do this . Might help him. The USMC is indoctrinating individuals... that is not what a HS football coach should do. I find it interesting that you often reference the military in your posts, but then you have also repeatedly bragged about times when if something didn't go your way (ie an administrator didn't give you the answer you wanted) your reply was basically to just quit. The military does not have this luxury, nor is it in their indoctrination process is it? John gagliardi coached at an all mens school which had no title 9 issues where at the rest of the miac are coed and thus have title 9 issues. Jt Curtis is another private school coach who is able to pluck the best athletes from through out the city of New Orleans. Guys like that are like the coach at kentuck. not to hard to win when you have 5 of the top 10 b ball recruits in the land. what you say is indoctrination is actually critical thinking skills. everything done in boot camp has a purpose. you know why the usmc does physical training in the sand? It is to make you be able to focus on the task at hand while being in an uncomfortable state. If the USMC took over the most troubled schools in the land there would be no drop outs. No I do not quit I just go above them an make life difficult for them. You seriously believe that? Have you taught at the most troubled schools in the land??? I have and I can tell you this approach would not fix drop outs or heal all of societies ills. Getting chewed out and yelled at equals a lot of kids and people in general tuning everything out. You take kids that get yelled at and yell at them and nothing is accomplished. I coached with a guy who thought that yelling was the answer and the kids thought he was the biggest joke under the sun...now coaches that talked to them, worked with them, cared about them and would flip every once in a while because they were passionate about the kids, the kids reacted positively. You are a military guy, this approach works for you, good for you. It's not everyone's cup of tea, not everyone buys in to it and not everyone responds to it. People willingly join the military knowing that is what they are walking in to, kids play football because they enjoy it. I don't believe that this whole tear you down and build you up approach has anything to do with high school football. You can get a lot of positive things done without flipping out, without being a coach playing hard guy. Sure you should put kids in difficult situations but this show went overboard and I wouldn't work with a cat like that off of what was shown on TV.
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Post by airman on Sept 6, 2013 12:54:01 GMT -6
The coach in Tenn. used hell week in the wrong manner in my opinion. you do not use hell week (which I really do not like for a term anyway) in the first week of training. IMO, what he his doing is fine but you do it during summer conditioning or say have a couple 3 or 4 day mini camps where you go away and condition the heck out of them and build team. The truth about hell week for the navy seals and others who use it is, it comes several weeks into the training. It is unrealistic to expect a recruit to go through the pressure of Hell Week without the necessary skills to survive it.
As for the yelling part. you guys seem to think all DI's do is yell at recruits. Initially yes there is plenty of yelling. Why, because you have to kill the civilian with its selfish tendencies. Civilians are selfish people. They have a what's in it for me attitude. you have to replace that attitude with what is best for your squad, your platoon, your company etc is what is best for me. Team come first. It that not what football coaches want?
The second phase in recruit training the DI more of a mentor to recruits. see Hollywood only shows you the I am going to kick your ass part of training. they do not show the teaching/mentoring part. Why DIs yell so much and cause so much pain in a recruits life it to teach the recruit how to think under duress. most people have never had to think under duress. They have a leisurely time to make decisions. There are many manuals written on recruit training.
for those interested the USMC has a leadership camp for football coaches. However, you must be willing to surrender yourself and kill the civilian inside of you.
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Post by airman on Sept 6, 2013 12:54:22 GMT -6
John gagliardi coached at an all mens school which had no title 9 issues where at the rest of the miac are coed and thus have title 9 issues. Jt Curtis is another private school coach who is able to pluck the best athletes from through out the city of New Orleans. Guys like that are like the coach at kentuck. not to hard to win when you have 5 of the top 10 b ball recruits in the land. what you say is indoctrination is actually critical thinking skills. everything done in boot camp has a purpose. you know why the usmc does physical training in the sand? It is to make you be able to focus on the task at hand while being in an uncomfortable state. If the USMC took over the most troubled schools in the land there would be no drop outs. No I do not quit I just go above them an make life difficult for them. You seriously believe that? Have you taught at the most troubled schools in the land??? I have and I can tell you this approach would not fix drop outs or heal all of societies ills. Getting chewed out and yelled at equals a lot of kids and people in general tuning everything out. You take kids that get yelled at and yell at them and nothing is accomplished. I coached with a guy who thought that yelling was the answer and the kids thought he was the biggest joke under the sun...now coaches that talked to them, worked with them, cared about them and would flip every once in a while because they were passionate about the kids, the kids reacted positively. You are a military guy, this approach works for you, good for you. It's not everyone's cup of tea, not everyone buys in to it and not everyone responds to it. People willingly join the military knowing that is what they are walking in to, kids play football because they enjoy it. I don't believe that this whole tear you down and build you up approach has anything to do with high school football. You can get a lot of positive things done without flipping out, without being a coach playing hard guy. Sure you should put kids in difficult situations but this show went overboard and I wouldn't work with a cat like that off of what was shown on TV.
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Post by airman on Sept 6, 2013 12:56:43 GMT -6
You seriously believe that? Have you taught at the most troubled schools in the land??? I have and I can tell you this approach would not fix drop outs or heal all of societies ills. Getting chewed out and yelled at equals a lot of kids and people in general tuning everything out. You take kids that get yelled at and yell at them and nothing is accomplished. I coached with a guy who thought that yelling was the answer and the kids thought he was the biggest joke under the sun...now coaches that talked to them, worked with them, cared about them and would flip every once in a while because they were passionate about the kids, the kids reacted positively. You are a military guy, this approach works for you, good for you. It's not everyone's cup of tea, not everyone buys in to it and not everyone responds to it. People willingly join the military knowing that is what they are walking in to, kids play football because they enjoy it. I don't believe that this whole tear you down and build you up approach has anything to do with high school football. You can get a lot of positive things done without flipping out, without being a coach playing hard guy. Sure you should put kids in difficult situations but this show went overboard and I wouldn't work with a cat like that off of what was shown on TV.With all do respect where do you think kid come from who join the USMC? Yep, those poor urban schools is where many especially black recruits come from. They seem to handle the yelling just fine. It is interesting how recruits from the inner city are just like the poor southern whites who join. They are all looking to escape their environment.
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Post by fballcoachg on Sept 7, 2013 12:05:48 GMT -6
"Looking to" and "joining" are the operatives there. They are willingly entering that environment full well knowing what is awaiting them. Thousands more who aren't because it is not what they respond to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 22:00:42 GMT -6
What school is it? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards It's Station Camp, TN. We don't play them, but one of my players has a cousin on that team. The kids who stick around get into the "Hell Week" concept and think it's a badge of honor for them to have made it. Also, like any reality show, a lot of stuff was staged and exaggerated for the cameras. Tradition in Station Camp is complicated. They've been really inconsistent and the school enrollment has really ballooned a lot over the last decade. They were a pretty small 2A school under the old 5 classificaiton system as recently as 9 years ago. Now they are 5A with an enrollment around 1400 and playing in a 5A/6A league against much larger schools with some of the state's, and even the nation's, top talent--just look at Beech! Going 5-5 and making the playoffs is nothing to sneeze at there under those circumstances.
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Post by airman on Sept 11, 2013 11:10:41 GMT -6
So the coach is getting something out of it if the kids see it as a badge of honor to complete it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 11:17:48 GMT -6
when you get down to the football, and strip away all the crap i.e the up downs, push ups, there is very little...very 4 letter network like. shocklingly.
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