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Post by lilbuck1103 on Jul 16, 2013 18:14:20 GMT -6
When the season begins, how do you handle players who miss multiple days of practice during fall camp for another sport or a summer sport? It seems that we may have this problem this fall with 4-6 Possible varsity starters. We're talking up to 5-6 practices during the first two weeks. I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks!
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Post by lochness on Jul 16, 2013 18:21:14 GMT -6
Our policy-
Unless its an absence sanctioned under school policy, it's an unexcused miss.
1st miss: one quarter of play suspension and personal improvement exercises 2nd miss: one half of play suspension and personal improvement exercises 3rd miss: dismissal from team
Only exception is Freshmen in some cases.
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Post by larrymoe on Jul 16, 2013 19:24:04 GMT -6
When the season begins, how do you handle players who miss multiple days of practice during fall camp for another sport or a summer sport? It seems that we may have this problem this fall with 4-6 Possible varsity starters. We're talking up to 5-6 practices during the first two weeks. I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Thanks! Once the season starts? So not summer pre conditioning or camps? They wouldn't be eligible to play in Illinois. Plus, they wouldn't be playing for me anyway if they're missing that much.
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Jul 16, 2013 19:39:22 GMT -6
This would be during the actual football season. It is a continuation of their summer baseball season and it would be a big regional tournament. This is a tough one, as we talk about finishing what you start, but also you'd be missing many fall camp days and playing in a non- school activity.
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Post by s73 on Jul 16, 2013 20:11:29 GMT -6
This would be during the actual football season. It is a continuation of their summer baseball season and it would be a big regional tournament. This is a tough one, as we talk about finishing what you start, but also you'd be missing many fall camp days and playing in a non- school activity. First of all, if they committed to another team I think they should finish that commitment. I would not expect kids to leave my team early for another sport so I will respect other commitments likewise. Secondly, I used to be a hard liner on this, but I found that conditioning the crap out of them as a make up rather than punishment keeps unnecessary missing to minimum. I may get blasted for this, but I don't think I'm compromising my values all that much, the kids are still receiving a consequence and you can still keep the guys you need. Let's face it , in HS ball we are expected to win nowadays. So my view is to find a way to keep commitments relatively strong while keeping my team competitive and keeping my job security as well. I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, but I think compromise has become a necessity especially in smaller schools b/c some kids are stretched thin but we need them. Blast away fellas, but in a smaller school, I think it's what's needed.
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Jul 16, 2013 20:48:24 GMT -6
This summer baseball is legion, not school ball. This is a tough one for me, because if they play well, then the following week they would have another one which would result in additional 2-4 practices missed on game week. The hard part for me is then where does it stop? What if a bball kid then wants to go to a camp at some time. These kids would ALL be contributors though for us and we are a school of 1000 students but 2 are our QB's.
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Post by CS on Jul 16, 2013 21:01:11 GMT -6
Secondly, I used to be a hard liner on this, but I found that conditioning the crap out of them as a make up rather than punishment keeps unnecessary missing to minimum. I may get blasted for this, but I don't think I'm compromising my values all that much, the kids are still receiving a consequence and you can still keep the guys you need. Let's face it , in HS ball we are expected to win nowadays. So my view is to find a way to keep commitments relatively strong while keeping my team competitive and keeping my job security as well. I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, but I think compromise has become a necessity especially in smaller schools b/c some kids are stretched thin but we need them. Blast away fellas, but in a smaller school, I think it's what's needed. I actually agree with what you are saying to some degree. For us it's the difference in fielding a team or not. If it is too excessive we will draw the line but for this stuff I wouldn't get rid of them. It's not like they are skipping to go to the water park(actual excuse used once)
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Post by CS on Jul 16, 2013 21:04:22 GMT -6
This summer baseball is legion, not school ball. This is a tough one for me, because if they play well, then the following week they would have another one which would result in additional 2-4 practices missed on game week. The hard part for me is then where does it stop? What if a bball kid then wants to go to a camp at some time. These kids would ALL be contributors though for us and we are a school of 1000 students but 2 are our QB's. This is not a problem. Be happy for them doing well and work their a$$e$ off when they get back and catch them up. I feel that they are doing nothing wrong. They committed to a team and I would be pi$$ed if they quit to come to my practice! Yeah, it's unfortunate but its a great opportunity for the kids and it would be wrong of you to expect them at your practice. IMO
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Post by fantom on Jul 16, 2013 21:16:32 GMT -6
This summer baseball is legion, not school ball. This is a tough one for me, because if they play well, then the following week they would have another one which would result in additional 2-4 practices missed on game week. The hard part for me is then where does it stop? What if a bball kid then wants to go to a camp at some time. These kids would ALL be contributors though for us and we are a school of 1000 students but 2 are our QB's. This is not a problem. Be happy for them doing well and work their a$$e$ off when they get back and catch them up. I feel that they are doing nothing wrong. They committed to a team and I would be pi$$ed if they quit to come to my practice! Yeah, it's unfortunate but its a great opportunity for the kids and it would be wrong of you to expect them at your practice. IMO I disagree. This is Legion ball, not a school team. They may have to miss a football game. If missing for Legion ball is OK, how about summer league basketball? Rec league kickball (they made a commitment, didn't they?).
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Post by coachcb on Jul 16, 2013 21:38:52 GMT -6
Legion baseball had been in a PITA throughout my entire coaching career. Unfortunately, it's the only high school baseball that's available in this state so it puts football coaches in a bad position.
We really couldn't get away with classifying then as "inexcusable absences" because, again, it was the only baseball available. So, we set up a policy where those baseball guys had extra conditioning when they did come back. It wasnt punishment; it was practical. The Legion baseball practices (along with the ridiculous number of games) didnt keep the kids in shape for football so we gave them an extra 15 minutes of conditioning after practice.
In all reality, our diehard baseball players didnt end up coming out for football. Especially when they started offering fall baseball....
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Post by lilbuck1103 on Jul 17, 2013 4:53:57 GMT -6
Thanks for the thoughts. I agree they made a commitment to a legion program which is separate from our actual high school baseball team. I also believe they made a commitment to their football team and by missing close to 8-10 practices before the first game, that sure leaves their football teammates in a tough spot. My problem is where do you draw the line? If a kid now would want to miss to go a basketball exposure camp, how can you not let them go during the season? What about a family vacation for two weeks? Working a job? These are all commitments to other things.
It seems that once a SCHOOL sponsored season starts that should be the first obligation, over a summer league. I guess I am just having a hard time justifying to all the other guys in my mind that when they are going through 2-a-days, etc. during August that these guys aren't going to be there and then they are going to come back after we get into games. I am also having a hard time with the summer league / SCHOOL sponsored season stuff. We do have SCHOOL spring baseball which all these kids play.
I am proud that they have an opportunity, etc. at this tournament, and I do not want to take football too seriously as I know they have many other interests, but it seems like we still have an obligation to keep a commitment to football as well. Maybe not?
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Post by CS on Jul 17, 2013 4:54:14 GMT -6
This is not a problem. Be happy for them doing well and work their a$$e$ off when they get back and catch them up. I feel that they are doing nothing wrong. They committed to a team and I would be pi$$ed if they quit to come to my practice! Yeah, it's unfortunate but its a great opportunity for the kids and it would be wrong of you to expect them at your practice. IMO I disagree. This is Legion ball, not a school team. They may have to miss a football game. If missing for Legion ball is OK, how about summer league basketball? Rec league kickball (they made a commitment, didn't they?). I could go with summer league basketball if they had been playing all summer and had a shot at a regional championship. Plus around here more kids get recruited playing legion than high school baseball. Being at a regional tournament is a really big deal and I wouldn't want to take that away from them because its a burden on me. Again it's just one guys opinion but that would be fine by me.
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Post by blb on Jul 17, 2013 5:29:42 GMT -6
I'm in same camp as lochness and fantom.
If for some reason we let kids come out late (usually only Freshmen, rarely a Sophomore, never Varsity) - our state has rule team must have 13 days of practice (NOT 13 practices) prior to first contest. We apply that to the latecomers - they must practice 13 days before they can play in a game.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 17, 2013 5:54:34 GMT -6
This is simple. When the first day of state allowed practice begins, football practice is mandatory. We make that very clear in our parents meeting during June. We explain that outside of lifting in the off season we don't ask for much and encourage multi-sport athletes so when our season rolls around be there or have fun watching from the stands.
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Post by s73 on Jul 17, 2013 7:42:12 GMT -6
This is simple. When the first day of state allowed practice begins, football practice is mandatory. We make that very clear in our parents meeting during June. We explain that outside of lifting in the off season we don't ask for much and encourage multi-sport athletes so when our season rolls around be there or have fun watching from the stands. This debate has raged on for years w/ no clear answer that works in every situation. I think the best answer is the one each coach is most comfortable with and the one that he feels he can manage in the long run. You may compromise this year and then realize you are compromising every year and you just can't do that. You may not compromise this year and boot them. But what if it happens again next year? Are you comfortable booting kids every year if necessary? Is your admin going to support angry parents storming the castle every year? Are your assistants going to be okay w/ losing good position players every year? Are the current teammates going to be okay w/ the possibility of losing quality players every year thus hurting chances of success? Personally, I would try to find an alternate way of satisfying what you need while still keeping the players, maybe some kind of make up sessions or something. After all, this supposed to be fun for us to right? Just my opinion. Good luck!
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Post by fantom on Jul 17, 2013 7:53:46 GMT -6
This is simple. When the first day of state allowed practice begins, football practice is mandatory. We make that very clear in our parents meeting during June. We explain that outside of lifting in the off season we don't ask for much and encourage multi-sport athletes so when our season rolls around be there or have fun watching from the stands. This debate has raged on for years w/ no clear answer that works in every situation. I think the best answer is the one each coach is most comfortable with and the one that he feels he can manage in the long run. You may compromise this year and then realize you are compromising every year and you just can't do that. You may not compromise this year and boot them. But what if it happens again next year? Are you comfortable booting kids every year if necessary? Is your admin going to support angry parents storming the castle every year? Are your assistants going to be okay w/ losing good position players every year? Are the current teammates going to be okay w/ the possibility of losing quality players every year thus hurting chances of success? Personally, I would try to find an alternate way of satisfying what you need while still keeping the players, maybe some kind of make up sessions or something. After all, this supposed to be fun for us to right? Just my opinion. Good luck! I could see the make-up sessions if they were missing conditioning sessions but this is actual practice. Throwing in a little more running might be OK to make up for one missed practice but we're talking about one, maybe two weeks and it's actual football: learning the plays, running the plays with teammates, working on technique. I'm as lenient as anybody about missing offseason conditioning stuff for other sports but I do draw the line when it comes to getting ready for games. Is a compromise possible (My motto is, "I can't be bought but I CAN be rented")? Legion games are in late afternoon. Why do they have to clash with practice?
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Post by s73 on Jul 17, 2013 8:16:47 GMT -6
This debate has raged on for years w/ no clear answer that works in every situation. I think the best answer is the one each coach is most comfortable with and the one that he feels he can manage in the long run. You may compromise this year and then realize you are compromising every year and you just can't do that. You may not compromise this year and boot them. But what if it happens again next year? Are you comfortable booting kids every year if necessary? Is your admin going to support angry parents storming the castle every year? Are your assistants going to be okay w/ losing good position players every year? Are the current teammates going to be okay w/ the possibility of losing quality players every year thus hurting chances of success? Personally, I would try to find an alternate way of satisfying what you need while still keeping the players, maybe some kind of make up sessions or something. After all, this supposed to be fun for us to right? Just my opinion. Good luck! I could see the make-up sessions if they were missing conditioning sessions but this is actual practice. Throwing in a little more running might be OK to make up for one missed practice but we're talking about one, maybe two weeks and it's actual football: learning the plays, running the plays with teammates, working on technique. I'm as lenient as anybody about missing offseason conditioning stuff for other sports but I do draw the line when it comes to getting ready for games. Is a compromise possible (My motto is, "I can't be bought but I CAN be rented")? Legion games are in late afternoon. Why do they have to clash with practice? If it is true that the legion games are not at the same time as practice then I completely agree with you 100%. No reason they cannot go to practice and then play the games. NONE what so ever. But, I did not see where the OP said that. If true I'm on board 100%. I guess my overall point is that I feel this board is great for coaching advice but we still have to know our situations and make our own decisions b/c we have to live w/ them. In that sense, the best advice I can give is to make the decision each of us can live with b/c no one on the board can bail you out if you take advice and it doesn't work out for you. IMO anyone can coach FB but good coaching takes a special person. Part coach, part father, part politician. It's not easy especially the gray areas. I freely admit I don't know 100% what I would do here. But, I would try to see long term what I could live w/ the most and probably base my decision off of that.
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Post by cookiemonster on Jul 17, 2013 10:30:13 GMT -6
Can't allow it in my opinion! It might cost you a few kids but it will save you alot of headaches later! If you start allowing it they will continue to do it and you wont be able to win anyways in my opinion!
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Post by wingtol on Jul 17, 2013 10:44:22 GMT -6
This is simple. When the first day of state allowed practice begins, football practice is mandatory. We make that very clear in our parents meeting during June. We explain that outside of lifting in the off season we don't ask for much and encourage multi-sport athletes so when our season rolls around be there or have fun watching from the stands. This debate has raged on for years w/ no clear answer that works in every situation. I think the best answer is the one each coach is most comfortable with and the one that he feels he can manage in the long run. You may compromise this year and then realize you are compromising every year and you just can't do that. You may not compromise this year and boot them. But what if it happens again next year? Are you comfortable booting kids every year if necessary? Is your admin going to support angry parents storming the castle every year? Are your assistants going to be okay w/ losing good position players every year? Are the current teammates going to be okay w/ the possibility of losing quality players every year thus hurting chances of success? Personally, I would try to find an alternate way of satisfying what you need while still keeping the players, maybe some kind of make up sessions or something. After all, this supposed to be fun for us to right? Just my opinion. Good luck! So when do we stop bending over backwards as football coaches for every other sport? It seems to me that no one ever misses baseball to go to a 7-7 in the spring. Always seems that we are talking about summer baseball or summer basketball but God forbid we say come Aug 12th (our first official day) all other sports are over. It's our season now. F' that. Try telling your principal "Hey I am gonna miss the first 5 days of school because I need to finish up teaching summer school at the charter school down the road" And yes we had two kids who would have been two way starters, that we had practically begged to play for us, come rolling in their Sr year on Wed. of game week 2 and want to play. Our HC looked them in the eye and said "Why cause fall ball is over now?" They were stunned for a second but finally said "Yes" and we told them to hit the road they had their chance.
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Post by blb on Jul 17, 2013 11:11:47 GMT -6
Once had a kid turn down chance to go to Legion World Series (with same team Derek Jeter played for later) because Football was starting.
He played D-I collegiately and three years in Yankees' organization, so didn't hurt his Baseball career.
He was all-conference WR, DB, and Kicker as a HS Senior.
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Post by coachcb on Jul 17, 2013 11:22:25 GMT -6
Is Legion the only high school baseball offered in the area? I know there are areas that have both so those kids that choose Legion should be shown the door if they miss camp.
However, it's a much tougher call if the kids can only play Legion because the organization has no respect for other sports.
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Post by s73 on Jul 17, 2013 12:00:55 GMT -6
This debate has raged on for years w/ no clear answer that works in every situation. I think the best answer is the one each coach is most comfortable with and the one that he feels he can manage in the long run. You may compromise this year and then realize you are compromising every year and you just can't do that. You may not compromise this year and boot them. But what if it happens again next year? Are you comfortable booting kids every year if necessary? Is your admin going to support angry parents storming the castle every year? Are your assistants going to be okay w/ losing good position players every year? Are the current teammates going to be okay w/ the possibility of losing quality players every year thus hurting chances of success? Personally, I would try to find an alternate way of satisfying what you need while still keeping the players, maybe some kind of make up sessions or something. After all, this supposed to be fun for us to right? Just my opinion. Good luck! So when do we stop bending over backwards as football coaches for every other sport? It seems to me that no one ever misses baseball to go to a 7-7 in the spring. Always seems that we are talking about summer baseball or summer basketball but God forbid we say come Aug 12th (our first official day) all other sports are over. It's our season now. F' that. Try telling your principal "Hey I am gonna miss the first 5 days of school because I need to finish up teaching summer school at the charter school down the road" And yes we had two kids who would have been two way starters, that we had practically begged to play for us, come rolling in their Sr year on Wed. of game week 2 and want to play. Our HC looked them in the eye and said "Why cause fall ball is over now?" They were stunned for a second but finally said "Yes" and we told them to hit the road they had their chance. Coach I get what you're saying and I agree w/ you. However, I feel the trick is NOT TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS FOR OTHER SPORTS. For example, when does a kid miss baseball for 7 on 7 ? For us, last week. When does a kid miss football for basketball? For us, the beginning of the summer b/c it's furthest from our season. When does a kid miss basketball for football? For us, end of the summer b/c it's closest to our season. Tomorrow I have a 2 way starter missing camp for baseball and then going to 7 on7 tournament Friday and missing baseball for football. I feel the trick is compromise. Our AD has done a nice job (with our influence) to sit us all done in the Spring and hash out summer schedules that we can all make work. I get some stuff and have to concede other stuff. If you are conceding all of the stuff then don't. Now, if regular season is screwed up b/c of summer baseball like OP stated, our state has rules about number of practices that kids need in order to play. Why not let the kids come out late? What's the harm? You have 2 extra practice dummies for a couple of weeks, they miss a couple of games for coming out late and maybe they can help you in the long run. Not sure why this is so bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 12:26:05 GMT -6
Tough call on this one, especially if numbers are an issue.
But, I hate startling the season without all our players. We started last year wih three contributors out due to off-season athletic code violations. They each missed three games.
Another contributor missed the first game due to not meeting the Illinois required 12 practice days before playing. Two kids did some Army training program and started late also.
The season was a train wreck. We are usually pretty good but it was like we never got going last year. Nine weeks later it was over and we were packing away equipment while other schools were getting ready for playoffs.
Another factor for late starting kids is the fact that while they missed practices and games someone was there every day an game and playing their spot. Once the missing kids are eligible what do you do with the kid that was playing? Whatever you do leads to hard feelings. It sucks.
Now I do every thing I can to make sure we have everyone from day one.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 17, 2013 12:30:18 GMT -6
Not gonna quote everything from above....
I am talking the OFFICIAL start of football season. When our state says "Ok get after it it's football season start hitting!" We have been in shells since July 1t 3 nights a week give or take. Have had multiple kids miss for work, baseball, vacation, hell one kid missed because he was helping remodel his basement! Summer is summer I understand that. When the PIAA says Aug 12th football is officially in season and coaches can make it mandatory we throw down the gauntlet. Like I said try not showing up for the first 5 days of teaching because you are working a summer program some where else, don't think that would go over well.
High schools have seasons for a reason, these outside teams not affiliated with the school can take a hike when our season starts. In fact our jack-a$$ baseball coach at school is telling kids they can't compete if they don't play summer and fallball for him pulling kids who should be on the football squad away from us, and even said this in an AD run head coaches meeting the other night. So since we practice on the baseball field the sled may just end up parked on the infield somewhere next week. But I digress...
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 17, 2013 12:37:03 GMT -6
Not gonna quote everything from above.... I am talking the OFFICIAL start of football season. When our state says "Ok get after it it's football season start hitting!" We have been in shells since July 1t 3 nights a week give or take. Have had multiple kids miss for work, baseball, vacation, hell one kid missed because he was helping remodel his basement! Summer is summer I understand that. When the PIAA says Aug 12th football is officially in season and coaches can make it mandatory we throw down the gauntlet. Like I said try not showing up for the first 5 days of teaching because you are working a summer program some where else, don't think that would go over well. High schools have seasons for a reason, these outside teams not affiliated with the school can take a hike when our season starts. In fact our jack-a$$ baseball coach at school is telling kids they can't compete if they don't play summer and fallball for him pulling kids who should be on the football squad away from us, and even said this in an AD run head coaches meeting the other night. So since we practice on the baseball field the sled may just end up parked on the infield somewhere next week. But I digress... I generally agree with your sentiments, but just to play devils advocate, does basketball season start during your football season? Practice starts here in Louisiana in Mid October, and games start in November. If you go deep in the playoffs, basketball kids are missing a month to a month and a half of "REAL BASKETBALL". And that is something that basketball coaches have had to deal with for a long long time. The proliferation of other sports into a summer that was once "reserved" for football because "it is the next sport" is somewhat recent isn't it?
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Post by s73 on Jul 17, 2013 14:40:34 GMT -6
Tough call on this one, especially if numbers are an issue. But, I hate startling the season without all our players. We started last year wih three contributors out due to off-season athletic code violations. They each missed three games. Another contributor missed the first game due to not meeting the Illinois required 12 practice days before playing. Two kids did some Army training program and started late also. The season was a train wreck. We are usually pretty good but it was like we never got going last year. Nine weeks later it was over and we were packing away equipment while other schools were getting ready for playoffs. Another factor for late starting kids is the fact that while they missed practices and games someone was there every day an game and playing their spot. Once the missing kids are eligible what do you do with the kid that was playing? Whatever you do leads to hard feelings. It sucks. Now I do every thing I can to make sure we have everyone from day one. Agree w/ everything you are saying. I HATE not having all of my guys not ready for day 1. I guess where I differ w/ others is the OP said that it was the finish of their baseball season (legion) but that his school does not offer any other baseball. So this is their only baseball season. If the choice is to have the kids late b/c of prior commitment (not just vacation) then I would rather have them late than not at all since I don't have a choice in the matter. Now if we were talking baseball season ended and they told me they were going to miss more b/c fall ball was starting up, well that would be a line in the sand for me b/c your baseball season ended and FB started. Either commit to what we are doing or get out. I just can't see telling a kid NOT to finish his prior commitment if that was the only baseball season he had. Now if they had Spring school ball and he was missing FB for legion, that to would be a problem for me. But that's not the case unless I confused OP for someone else's post.
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Post by fantom on Jul 17, 2013 14:49:48 GMT -6
Tough call on this one, especially if numbers are an issue. But, I hate startling the season without all our players. We started last year wih three contributors out due to off-season athletic code violations. They each missed three games. Another contributor missed the first game due to not meeting the Illinois required 12 practice days before playing. Two kids did some Army training program and started late also. The season was a train wreck. We are usually pretty good but it was like we never got going last year. Nine weeks later it was over and we were packing away equipment while other schools were getting ready for playoffs. Another factor for late starting kids is the fact that while they missed practices and games someone was there every day an game and playing their spot. Once the missing kids are eligible what do you do with the kid that was playing? Whatever you do leads to hard feelings. It sucks. Now I do every thing I can to make sure we have everyone from day one. Agree w/ everything you are saying. I HATE not having all of my guys not ready for day 1. I guess where I differ w/ others is the OP said that it was the finish of their baseball season (legion) but that his school does not offer any other baseball. So this is their only baseball season. The OP didn't say that. Another poster did. The OP said: >>Thanks for the thoughts. I agree they made a commitment to a legion program which is separate from our actual high school baseball team. <<
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 17, 2013 14:50:09 GMT -6
s73 he says that it is separate from "our actual highschool baseball team".
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Post by fantom on Jul 17, 2013 14:54:24 GMT -6
Not gonna quote everything from above.... I am talking the OFFICIAL start of football season. When our state says "Ok get after it it's football season start hitting!" We have been in shells since July 1t 3 nights a week give or take. Have had multiple kids miss for work, baseball, vacation, hell one kid missed because he was helping remodel his basement! Summer is summer I understand that. When the PIAA says Aug 12th football is officially in season and coaches can make it mandatory we throw down the gauntlet. Like I said try not showing up for the first 5 days of teaching because you are working a summer program some where else, don't think that would go over well. High schools have seasons for a reason, these outside teams not affiliated with the school can take a hike when our season starts. In fact our jack-a$$ baseball coach at school is telling kids they can't compete if they don't play summer and fallball for him pulling kids who should be on the football squad away from us, and even said this in an AD run head coaches meeting the other night. So since we practice on the baseball field the sled may just end up parked on the infield somewhere next week. But I digress... I generally agree with your sentiments, but just to play devils advocate, does basketball season start during your football season? Practice starts here in Louisiana in Mid October, and games start in November. If you go deep in the playoffs, basketball kids are missing a month to a month and a half of "REAL BASKETBALL". And that is something that basketball coaches have had to deal with for a long long time. The proliferation of other sports into a summer that was once "reserved" for football because "it is the next sport" is somewhat recent isn't it? As I said, I wouldn't be against compromising. I don't know the OP's practice schedule but generally teams practice in the morning and Legion games are in the late afternoon. I'd have no problem letting them play in the games after they practice. I'd even cut their conditioning on days of games. I have no problem with working with them if they'll work with me.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 17, 2013 14:54:46 GMT -6
Dang it.. false stepped on my key read and fantom beat me to it.
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