nhs40
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Post by nhs40 on May 27, 2013 17:25:49 GMT -6
I received a phone call today from a parent informing me that he and his wife came home last night to find their son smoking pot. I had spoken with their son about two weeks ago about rumors I was hearing, which he vehemently denied. I guess "where there is smoke...". Not a situation that I wanted to face getting ready to go into summer conditioning. My question, what is your opinion on the appropriat course of action. Our policy is a 365 day a year policy. I intend to let our AD know. I intend to have some disciplinary measures for our season, but I also understand young people make mistakes and I believe his fear is going to be a great motivator moving forward. Thanks for your input and thanks to all of those that have served that allow me to post such a trivial question.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 27, 2013 17:50:36 GMT -6
Well, I am not sure what you can/should do? Surely, he is not the only one on the team to get caught, their parents just had the balls to confront and do something about it..to me, it something like no driving, be grounded and maybe some football stuff. I would not let it affect my team
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Post by brophy on May 27, 2013 17:56:42 GMT -6
would this be any different if his parents "caught" him smoking cigarettes, eating shrooms, taking ecstacy or drinking alcohol? At this point, it is in the parents court.
If the kid was busted by authorities, I believe that is the time to self-report to ADs. I could be wrong, though
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 18:12:46 GMT -6
I received a phone call today from a parent informing me that he and his wife came home last night to find their son smoking pot. I had spoken with their son about two weeks ago about rumors I was hearing, which he vehemently denied. I guess "where there is smoke...". Not a situation that I wanted to face getting ready to go into summer conditioning. My question, what is your opinion on the appropriat course of action. Our policy is a 365 day a year policy. I intend to let our AD know. I intend to have some disciplinary measures for our season, but I also understand young people make mistakes and I believe his fear is going to be a great motivator moving forward. Thanks for your input and thanks to all of those that have served that allow me to post such a trivial question. If you have to ask that question, you need to look in the mirror. And I say that with all due respect. if the parents let him play football, you are in tough spot. So in that regard I agree with brophy. If the state says it legal you are in a tough spot. if their are rumors, then you have a bigger problem than him. Just my experience.
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Post by eaglemountie on May 27, 2013 18:52:41 GMT -6
I received a phone call today from a parent informing me that he and his wife came home last night to find their son smoking pot. I had spoken with their son about two weeks ago about rumors I was hearing, which he vehemently denied. I guess "where there is smoke...". Not a situation that I wanted to face getting ready to go into summer conditioning. My question, what is your opinion on the appropriat course of action. Our policy is a 365 day a year policy. I intend to let our AD know. I intend to have some disciplinary measures for our season, but I also understand young people make mistakes and I believe his fear is going to be a great motivator moving forward. Thanks for your input and thanks to all of those that have served that allow me to post such a trivial question. He has already lied to your face about being a part of these types of behaviors. If he isn't shying away from smoking after you said something to him what does he have to fear from a slap on the wrist?
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Post by brophy on May 27, 2013 19:38:56 GMT -6
what do the parents want done (on football)? what do the other kids know? At the very least you and the staff can meet with him to reiterate this isn't about HIM, but his decisions will impact the TEAM. He can make poor decisions and live in the moment if he wants to, but that isn't helping his team any and if he were to get caught (by the cops) doing something like this it would only bring shame on the program. Regardless of the activity, letting the team down by marring the name of the team is to let down the classes of the program from the past as leave a bad name for the classes to come ("remember that dumbass from 2013 that got busted streaking at the grocery store?"). Decisions, decisions...life is all about making good decisions (focus less about the actual activity and more about the impact it has on others).
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Post by airraider on May 27, 2013 20:00:45 GMT -6
I had a very good coach once tell me that kids today smoking pot is like kids in his day drinking beer.
I brought it up that smoking pot is illegal, and he said so is a 16 year old kid drinking a beer...
Different times boys... different times... I personally feel that like it or not, in 10 years this type of conversation will be very trivial.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 20:26:26 GMT -6
I had a very good coach once tell me that kids today smoking pot is like kids in his day drinking beer. I brought it up that smoking pot is illegal, and he said so is a 16 year old kid drinking a beer... Different times boys... different times... I personally feel that like it or not, in 10 years this type of conversation will be very trivial. the way we are going, everything that is your life, our way of life , is going to be gone in 5 years, EVERYTHING.
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Post by jlenwood on May 27, 2013 21:13:07 GMT -6
what do the parents want done (on football)? what do the other kids know? At the very least you and the staff can meet with him to reiterate this isn't about HIM, but his decisions will impact the TEAM. He can make poor decisions and live in the moment if he wants to, but that isn't helping his team any and if he were to get caught (by the cops) doing something like this it would only bring shame on the program. Regardless of the activity, letting the team down by marring the name of the team is to let down the classes of the program from the past as leave a bad name for the classes to come ("remember that {censored} from 2013 that got busted streaking at the grocery store?"). Decisions, decisions...life is all about making good decisions (focus less about the actual activity and more about the impact it has on others). If your policy is a 365 day policy, I am assuming that means punishment, than it is really out of your hands. Personally, if it isn't football season I don't think schools should be invloved in what a person does away from school. However, if your policy says he is kicked from the team, I guess you kick him. Also, I think brophy nailed it with the importance of decision making. It is like I tell my son's, your family name means something, don't put a black mark on that name by doing something stupid in "the moment" because you think it is ok or cool/fun. It took my dad a long time to build that name, dont destroy it.
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Post by brophy on May 28, 2013 3:50:57 GMT -6
I had a very good coach once tell me that kids today smoking pot is like kids in his day drinking beer. I brought it up that smoking pot is illegal, and he said so is a 16 year old kid drinking a beer... Different times boys... different times... I personally feel that like it or not, in 10 years this type of conversation will be very trivial. the way we are going, everything that is your life, our way of life , is going to be gone in 5 years, EVERYTHING. Get a grip....we're just talking about marijuana
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Post by gccwolverine on May 28, 2013 5:32:19 GMT -6
over statement of the century??? And I love to get some money on the over.
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Post by jlenwood on May 28, 2013 7:26:48 GMT -6
This is a parent issue. IMO, this is just another case of parent's expecting the school/coaches to help raise their kids because they don't want to be the bad guy. After resigning here I ran into a father at the YMCA. His son, a great athlete was ineligible at semester for basketball and was ineligible for track. His dad started off on some rant about "these teacher and coaches not helping/keeping an eye on his kid" and in that sideline so everyone can hear you voice I told him "You ARE THE PHUKING PARENT, it's YOUR job to raise your kid, not theirs." I swear I could rent my mom out as a parent in this town and change the culture 180 degrees. She didn't have the "hope he still likes me" hang ups. dc, I agree it is a parents problem, but if this is the case why do so many schools have a "365 day policy", or any kind of off season or in season policy? I am of the opinion that I will raise my kid. From 7:30 to 2:30 you can keep him/her in line. From 3:00 to 5:00, the football coach (or whatever sport it happens to be) is in charge. But once MY kid leaves the school grounds, he is mine to raise. I understand the "don't embarass the program" thoughts during season (even if I don't always agree with this policy).....but for the life of me I don't see how it is any business or responsibility of a school administration what a kid does in the off season away from school. As far as the OP, if you have a school policy and you know of an indescretion, you better follow policy or it is probably your a$$ that will be in trouble. If there is nothing in your policy about the infraction, it is on the parents.
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Post by newhope on May 28, 2013 8:48:58 GMT -6
Is the policy 365 day suspension regardless of the circumstances under which they are caught? If not, what does it say specifically?
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Post by John Knight on May 28, 2013 9:05:06 GMT -6
I would treat it as if I had caught him doing it myself. His parents have trusted you to do the right thing, do it. What would you do if you had caught him yourself?
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Post by ramcoachdc on May 28, 2013 9:11:50 GMT -6
I think if the parents are reaching out they need help. Do what you can to help the young man out. Sometimes kids need to know someone is there for them. I would also take a guess that if one player is using you may be on the fringe of a larger issue, unless his friend base is outside of the football community.
I would be more concerned if they parents were also in denial. As I see that toooooo often, not my little angel.
I vote ONE olive branch. Take the proper steps with the regulations in place and talk to the young man and make sure he understands the potential consequences. I'd also grab our team captians and get to the root of it to make sure there is not a bigger issue.
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Post by blb on May 28, 2013 9:32:56 GMT -6
I agree with dc it (should be) a parent issue but they have made it yours, too.
You can't NOT report it to your AD. It's your responsibility as a coach. If it came out later there was a violation, you knew about it and did not report it, could be grounds for dismissal.
Whether we agree with a year-round policy or not is immaterial. That's up to local BOE and-or administration. If somebody wants it changed there are proper channels to go through.
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Post by coachmitts on May 28, 2013 10:10:24 GMT -6
The parents found him smoking pot it is their issue to deal with, not yours. It doesnt sound like it was done on school grounds so it shouldn't be your concern really. This is the parents call. It would be completely different if you found him smoking pot behind the school. I get that we all want to be mentors and help these kids out, but the parents need to do it first.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 28, 2013 13:55:22 GMT -6
So if his parents caught him having relations with his GF would the school also take action? I mean that's illegal on school grounds...except for a few teachers that everyone knows about but pretends to not know anything about...(yea, that doesn't just happen at your school, mine too...all 5 I've taught at actually and none of them were me). My sympathies.
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Post by newhope on May 29, 2013 6:01:55 GMT -6
I think blb has a valid point. The parents have made it your issue. This kid did this shortly after you talked to him. That probably means he'll keep doing it, particularly if there are not serious consequences. When it happens again, and the parents say to school officials, "we told coach...." then you're going to be in a place you don't want to be. Cover your behind. Put this in the hands of your AD.
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Post by homyrrh on May 29, 2013 17:28:25 GMT -6
Yeah, don't really give a {censored} about the pot. Off-campus, he's an idiot, etc.
...but isn't the actual issue here that he lied to OP, the head coach who explicitly asked him is he was doing it?
Unless I missed it, none of the above posts specifically target this, the dishonesty that is arguably the only real blemish on the player's character as explained by OP.
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Post by airraider on May 29, 2013 19:30:49 GMT -6
Yeah, don't really give a {censored} about the pot. Off-campus, he's an idiot, etc. ...but isn't the actual issue here that he lied to OP, the head coach who explicitly asked him is he was doing it? Unless I missed it, none of the above posts specifically target this, the dishonesty that is arguably the only real blemish on the player's character as explained by OP. Come on man... no kid is going to be up front about something like this... A kid choosing to deny as to not incriminate himself really isn't a full picture of being a dishonest person.
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Post by John Knight on May 29, 2013 19:39:32 GMT -6
Ok team, how many of you masturbate on a fairly regular basis? Bunch of liars!
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Post by coachwoodall on May 29, 2013 19:42:58 GMT -6
"Okay, you and your son signed the conduct contract. In that it stated our drug testing and policy, and it stated clearly that this conversation was considered a failed drug test. A failed drug test is a mandated 90 day suspension. This is what you asking me to do, correct?"
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Post by texasstyle on May 29, 2013 19:44:58 GMT -6
I would treat it as if I had caught him doing it myself. His parents have trusted you to do the right thing, do it. What would you do if you had caught him yourself? You nailed it. I never saw the OP ever say the parents weren't also dealing with it. They may have previously told him, they would do this, that and the other as consequence. One of which was inform the coach. Apparently they believe the OP stands for something. I say you follow your code of conduct and deliver the message. Don't fear the consequences of your actions if you do.
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Post by fantom on May 29, 2013 20:02:21 GMT -6
Ok team, how many of you masturbate on a fairly regular basis? Bunch of liars! Our OL are pretty smart so one would probably ask for a definition of "regular".
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Post by passingame999 on May 30, 2013 3:30:16 GMT -6
Is he any good? If not get rid of him. If so, eh... Tough call.
Totally kidding.
Education. Teach him what that stuff does to a brain. Biggest thing with regard to football is the decrease in testosterone in the male body. We need that to play football. Lots of it!!
Good luck!
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Post by coach2013 on May 30, 2013 6:47:17 GMT -6
I received a phone call today from a parent informing me that he and his wife came home last night to find their son smoking pot. I had spoken with their son about two weeks ago about rumors I was hearing, which he vehemently denied. I guess "where there is smoke...". Not a situation that I wanted to face getting ready to go into summer conditioning. My question, what is your opinion on the appropriat course of action. Our policy is a 365 day a year policy. I intend to let our AD know. I intend to have some disciplinary measures for our season, but I also understand young people make mistakes and I believe his fear is going to be a great motivator moving forward. Thanks for your input and thanks to all of those that have served that allow me to post such a trivial question. Sounds like the parents need to get a set and take care of that issue themselves. Send the kid to rehab is what they should do. I cant see why theyd call you unless it was just to tell you that lil jr was going to be missing for awhile while he was getting a good anti drug education.
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Post by reachandpull2013 on May 30, 2013 7:10:04 GMT -6
I was faced with a similar issue last summer. My best player and his parents requested a meeting with me just before summer workouts were to begin. The young man opened up how he wants to start doing things the right way with his academics and behavior. Mind you, that I stay on top of our kids throughout the year and consistently talked to this young man about grades and a change in behavior that I had seen.
During the course of the conversation the young man mentioned he wanted to play college football and that he can't be partying like he has been and that he is sorry for going to a party and getting drunk that previous JANUARY...JANUARY I SAY! This conversation was in JUNE. I thanked him for being honest and doing the admirable thing and that in turn I must also do the admirable and ethical thing. That I need him to trust me that he can come to me but that I can't turn a blind eye to his comment that he was drinking at a party months before. I told him he is going over to the AD's office with me and sharing this information with my AD. I called my AD on our walk over to his office to let him know why we were coming over.
Could I have turned a blind eye to it? Yes! Should I have? NO! And neither should you!
Doing the right thing is hard but necessary. Did I want to lose my best player for the first 4 games of the season? No way! But I can't sleep at night knowing that I ignored a rule that is as clear as can be.
Like BLB said, don't put yourself in a position of this info getting out in the future (and it will!!!) and being in the risk of losing your job because you did not report the violation. Your duty is to serve these young men in a way that is of ethical value. Whether we like it or not; we have a job to do.
I don't agree with it either; but it is the rule these days. The late Joe Paterno said a few years back at Media Day when a reporter asked why so many more kids get in trouble these days. Joe Pa said they don't! The difference is 20 years ago when a kid was drunk or high that the police chief called him to come get the kid; the kid stayed on Joe Pa's couch; and at 5am the kid was awake and running stairs at the football stadium. That is how business was done back in the day. That punishment there was a hell of a lot worse then being suspeneded!
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 30, 2013 8:06:41 GMT -6
I don't like the rule that kids can't wear hats in our building after school...but that's the rule and my job as an employee is to enforce the existing rules.
Isn't it as simple as that?
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Post by coachturso on May 30, 2013 8:15:09 GMT -6
I received a phone call today from a parent informing me that he and his wife came home last night to find their son smoking pot. I had spoken with their son about two weeks ago about rumors I was hearing, which he vehemently denied. I guess "where there is smoke...". Not a situation that I wanted to face getting ready to go into summer conditioning. My question, what is your opinion on the appropriat course of action. Our policy is a 365 day a year policy. I intend to let our AD know. I intend to have some disciplinary measures for our season, but I also understand young people make mistakes and I believe his fear is going to be a great motivator moving forward. Thanks for your input and thanks to all of those that have served that allow me to post such a trivial question. Coach what's your 365 day a year policy? If you go against your policy for this kid, would you do it for another, and another, and another? It sucks about the situation your in, and if you have a no drug/alcohol rule, then I guess it's really up to you. Up here in Washington State, we have to not only deal with our school rules, but the WIAA, and our ATHLETIC CODE. We have had athletes in the past, get caught at a party, where alcohol was, even though they said they didn't drink, get suspended from football for 2 weeks. We had another kid get caught by school security, off campus (during school hours), smoking spice, he was done for the year. I know this is a tuff position to be in, but I'm sure you will have to make a tuff decision, right or wrong, just be ready to articulate why you did what you did to other kids and parents, and possibly the media (if it gets that far). Good luck coach
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