nhs40
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Post by nhs40 on May 30, 2013 8:28:23 GMT -6
Fellas, let me be clear in saying that in no way was I trying to avoid any conflict, confrontation, etc. I wanted to get a "feel" for what the general population felt was acceptable. I need to say that I hate drug/alcohol use of any kind by student-athletes, but especially those that are on my team. I also do not/would not tolerate it out of my own children, but I am probably a little "strict" based on some of the ideas that I've read on here regarding drinking, smoking pot, etc. Call me old school, but if it's in black and white, then a rule is a rule. I spoke with my AD, and he informed me that it is a "gray" area because I did not catch him and law enforcement was not involved. My response was "Great, so what is to stop a kid from coming in after every weekend party and telling me that he was "thoroughly hammered" all weekend long.?" My AD says no "official" punishment from the school. However, I will be implementing my own discipline in the form of game suspension for the young man. Regardless as to whether this is seen as trivial, it is a snapshot of a bigger problem that exists on my team, and in our society as a whole. He was not honest with me initially, and needs to understand that rules exist for the safety of our young people. Thank you all for your input and guidance. Best wishes in this new season!
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Post by theyoungballcoach on May 30, 2013 9:16:34 GMT -6
Fellas, let me be clear in saying that in no way was I trying to avoid any conflict, confrontation, etc. I wanted to get a "feel" for what the general population felt was acceptable. I need to say that I hate drug/alcohol use of any kind by student-athletes, but especially those that are on my team. I also do not/would not tolerate it out of my own children, but I am probably a little "strict" based on some of the ideas that I've read on here regarding drinking, smoking pot, etc. Call me old school, but if it's in black and white, then a rule is a rule. I spoke with my AD, and he informed me that it is a "gray" area because I did not catch him and law enforcement was not involved. My response was "Great, so what is to stop a kid from coming in after every weekend party and telling me that he was "thoroughly hammered" all weekend long.?" My AD says no "official" punishment from the school. However, I will be implementing my own discipline in the form of game suspension for the young man. Regardless as to whether this is seen as trivial, it is a snapshot of a bigger problem that exists on my team, and in our society as a whole. He was not honest with me initially, and needs to understand that rules exist for the safety of our young people. Thank you all for your input and guidance. Best wishes in this new season! I think there being no official ruling allows you to teach the whole team a lesson. I wasn't the greatest kid in high school, I went to more than the occasional party as a senior. But I will never forget the time our HC finding out that one of our guys got drunk the day after a game. The entire team circled up and did 12 minutes of updowns in the middle of our dust bowl of a practice field while the kid who got caught watched. Every now and again the HC asked if the kid had anything to say and he would say, "My name is ___ and I let my team down." The kid also called the team over by himself after practice and apologized. We never had that issue again the rest of my senior year while school was in session.
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Post by fantom on May 30, 2013 9:28:56 GMT -6
Fellas, let me be clear in saying that in no way was I trying to avoid any conflict, confrontation, etc. I wanted to get a "feel" for what the general population felt was acceptable. I need to say that I hate drug/alcohol use of any kind by student-athletes, but especially those that are on my team. I also do not/would not tolerate it out of my own children, but I am probably a little "strict" based on some of the ideas that I've read on here regarding drinking, smoking pot, etc. Call me old school, but if it's in black and white, then a rule is a rule. I spoke with my AD, and he informed me that it is a "gray" area because I did not catch him and law enforcement was not involved. My response was "Great, so what is to stop a kid from coming in after every weekend party and telling me that he was "thoroughly hammered" all weekend long.?" My AD says no "official" punishment from the school. However, I will be implementing my own discipline in the form of game suspension for the young man. Regardless as to whether this is seen as trivial, it is a snapshot of a bigger problem that exists on my team, and in our society as a whole. He was not honest with me initially, and needs to understand that rules exist for the safety of our young people. Thank you all for your input and guidance. Best wishes in this new season! I think there being no official ruling allows you to teach the whole team a lesson. I wasn't the greatest kid in high school, I went to more than the occasional party as a senior. But I will never forget the time our HC finding out that one of our guys got drunk the day after a game. The entire team circled up and did 12 minutes of updowns in the middle of our dust bowl of a practice field while the kid who got caught watched. Every now and again the HC asked if the kid had anything to say and he would say, "My name is ___ and I let my team down." The kid also called the team over by himself after practice and apologized. We never had that issue again the rest of my senior year while school was in session. I know a guy who used peer pressure like that. He punished the whole team for something that one guy did. One kid got mad and broke the guilty party's jaw. The coach was lucky enough to keep his teaching job but probably won't coach again.
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Post by John Knight on May 30, 2013 9:33:00 GMT -6
If you suspend this kid you better have a written policy that predates this offense. Did the kid know his actions even in his own home could get him suspended? If your AD is calling it a grey are he is saying, "warn the kid, put him on double secret probation, but no official punishment!"
If not those "concerned parents" may just sue your a$$ come September.
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Post by newhope on May 30, 2013 9:48:26 GMT -6
Fellas, let me be clear in saying that in no way was I trying to avoid any conflict, confrontation, etc. I wanted to get a "feel" for what the general population felt was acceptable. I need to say that I hate drug/alcohol use of any kind by student-athletes, but especially those that are on my team. I also do not/would not tolerate it out of my own children, but I am probably a little "strict" based on some of the ideas that I've read on here regarding drinking, smoking pot, etc. Call me old school, but if it's in black and white, then a rule is a rule. I spoke with my AD, and he informed me that it is a "gray" area because I did not catch him and law enforcement was not involved. My response was "Great, so what is to stop a kid from coming in after every weekend party and telling me that he was "thoroughly hammered" all weekend long.?" My AD says no "official" punishment from the school. However, I will be implementing my own discipline in the form of game suspension for the young man. Regardless as to whether this is seen as trivial, it is a snapshot of a bigger problem that exists on my team, and in our society as a whole. He was not honest with me initially, and needs to understand that rules exist for the safety of our young people. Thank you all for your input and guidance. Best wishes in this new season! Sounds to me like you handled it well. AD said school doing nothing, but you are sending a message as the football coach.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 19:46:10 GMT -6
Report to AD and allow your athletic/activity code to take affect. Have him sit out the required number of games. When he comes back allow him to work into whatever playing time he has earned.
There is no greater punishment than the removal of playing time.
Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be.
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Post by hammer66 on May 31, 2013 10:03:16 GMT -6
If you suspend this kid you better have a written policy that predates this offense. Did the kid know his actions even in his own home could get him suspended? If your AD is calling it a grey are he is saying, "warn the kid, put him on double secret probation, but no official punishment!" If not those "concerned parents" may just sue your a$$ come September. Parents always want your help when it benefits them. I think your AD is correct and it would be handled the same way where I am at. Parents need to Parent. Yeah we as coaches can help guide a player and teach them how to be better people and students. The issue is that we need the support at home and from what I have seen lately that is lacking everywhere. You know the families that I am talking about we all have them in our program. The ones that buy the beer and think its ok because they think they can control when and where the kids party. Worse yet the ones that crack a cold one with them. I have become cynical as I get older.... I just don't trust parents anymore to do the right thing. So yeah you go ahead and punish the kid...... just be careful how you handle it because my guess is it may be an issue down the line. I always say a kid can be on the team practice and all that fun stuff. I don't have to put him on the field. I can suspend him without even telling him....just sit him!
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Post by blb on May 31, 2013 16:53:11 GMT -6
Ok team, how many of you masturbate on a fairly regular basis? Bunch of liars! Speak for your self, John. I married a '10,' and fortunately she is easily satisfied by the very best.
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Post by jlenwood on Jun 8, 2013 6:50:05 GMT -6
After re-reading your original post, I think my biggest issue would be the lie from the kid when you confronted him with what you were hearing about weed. That is what I would base my actions on.
As a side note to this, and I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but my view on any kind of policy about things like this when they are out of season is it is no ones business but the kid and the parents. Once August 1st rolls around, now your actions are going to affect your team mates who are counting on you, whether you are a star player or not, everyone has to contribute to the cause ie: the program. So punishment or consequences are appropriate at that time, not out of season.
My mind set is that I always hear teachers complain that parents are wanting the teachers to parent their kids. Every teacher I am around when there is more than one will start to complain about having to parent kids. Well, in my mind it is hypocritical to say you don't want to be a students "parent", and then turn right around and take the role of parent when it comes to off campus trouble. As I have stated in earlier posts. I will raise my kids - you raise your kids. What if the kid is a baseball player, or in the band or some other extra school activity. Is it still your place to discipline that kid when it is not even in the football season time frame?
If a parent calls you because they trust your judgement, they know your intentions are to sincerely help a teen age kid grow as a person, then help them out and mentor that kid, let them handle the punishment.
I would set the kid for the lying. That to me is more of an issue than any thing else. If you can't trust someone, you have nothing. Good luck with this, but that is why HS head coaches get paid such big salaries!
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