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Post by tango on Mar 30, 2013 10:42:12 GMT -6
What do you like or dislike about turf?
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Post by coachjd on Mar 30, 2013 17:44:53 GMT -6
All weather!!
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 31, 2013 7:35:40 GMT -6
It's hot as hell to practice on.
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Post by highball007 on Mar 31, 2013 8:36:34 GMT -6
After about 4-5 years on it you will notice your kids line up faster and more precise. You will notice WR routes are better run and DB's have better understanding of zones.
These are just a few I have witnessed first hand, because we hardly ever got our practice field painted with all the markings and we never had it painted over the summer. They would always make the width of the field about 15 yards short so they could fit three fields , and it screws up your spacing especially on KO and KOR!
When your 8th graders start coming over and running a 5 yard speed out you know they are getting it done at 5 yards. Before turf every kid was different or a coach had to put cones out and estimate the yardage and we would tear up the grass in one spot. When you install cover 2 and you start talking to your safeties about deep half they actually can see a sideline and the hashes and the numbers everyday at practice.
We would harp on the WR to stay on top of the numbers and let the QB take you outside, well if you don't get numbers painted then it is a guessing game for both positions.
I am an offensive guy and we noticed an increase in completions and increase in route running in the first year. We had no injuries that were correlated with the turf, we had 2 freak injuries, 1 wrist, 1 ankle, both were do to freak tacklings during games.
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Post by adawg2302 on Mar 31, 2013 14:57:36 GMT -6
I dislike all the rubber in my shoes when I take them off.
It is hot as hell on it.
Have seen a couple serious leg injuries that, in my opinion, would not have happened if we were on grass.
Other than that, its great. I still like nice, short, grass better.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 31, 2013 16:56:41 GMT -6
I dislike all the rubber in my shoes when I take them off. It is hot as hell on it. Have seen a couple serious leg injuries that, in my opinion, would not have happened if we were on grass. Other than that, its great. I still like nice, short, grass better. The new ones I've been on don't get hot It is statistically safer than grass (less injuries)
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Post by airraider on Mar 31, 2013 17:33:56 GMT -6
I dislike all the rubber in my shoes when I take them off. It is hot as hell on it. Have seen a couple serious leg injuries that, in my opinion, would not have happened if we were on grass. Other than that, its great. I still like nice, short, grass better. The new ones I've been on don't get hot It is statistically safer than grass (less injuries) I would like to see data on both of these statements... I've been on some of the new ones and they were still HOT.. as long as they use that black pellet filler, it will be hot... Also, I could see no significant increase in injuries being the case... but what would give it a safer edge than real grass?
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 31, 2013 17:42:46 GMT -6
The new ones I've been on don't get hot It is statistically safer than grass (less injuries) I would like to see data on both of these statements... I've been on some of the new ones and they were still HOT.. as long as they use that black pellet filler, it will be hot... Also, I could see no significant increase in injuries being the case... but what would give it a safer edge than real grass? We're in the process of getting a new stadium... Our contractor has told us their new technology doesn't get hot anymore... I have been on a few newer ones that are the same temp as grass not the shoe melting death traps Safer because most grass fields are filled with potholes and uneven spots... We've had a ton of sprained ankles on grass Turf is a more stable surface IMO If I never see grass again in my life I'd be ok
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Post by airraider on Mar 31, 2013 17:57:56 GMT -6
I would like to see data on both of these statements... I've been on some of the new ones and they were still HOT.. as long as they use that black pellet filler, it will be hot... Also, I could see no significant increase in injuries being the case... but what would give it a safer edge than real grass? We're in the process of getting a new stadium... Our contractor has told us their new technology doesn't get hot anymore... I have been on a few newer ones that are the same temp as grass not the shoe melting death traps Safer because most grass fields are filled with potholes and uneven spots... We've had a ton of sprained ankles on grass Turf is a more stable surface IMO If I never see grass again in my life I'd be ok Im all for turf... but I still feel the black pellets are the reason it gets hot... And the potholes and uneven spots are a localized problem dealing more with inadequate field upkeep... and less to do with it simply being grass.
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 31, 2013 18:15:13 GMT -6
The newer ones I have been on get hot. We are getting it installed for next year so we will see how it is.
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Post by airraider on Mar 31, 2013 18:36:57 GMT -6
You have to keep it watered a lot more since it gets so hot... but it does grow slower.. so thats good.
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Post by tango on Mar 31, 2013 19:22:04 GMT -6
We are in Fl. so the temperature is a major concern. I have been told that the cool beads will keep the field temperature lower than grass. I have no clue. I was also told that you will have more open wounds on turf and you have to worry about staff. If you have turf would you practice on it each day?
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Post by rsmith627 on Mar 31, 2013 20:01:26 GMT -6
We are in Fl. so the temperature is a major concern. I have been told that the cool beads will keep the field temperature lower than grass. I have no clue. I was also told that you will have more open wounds on turf and you have to worry about staff. If you have turf would you practice on it each day? At my last school that had it we usually practiced on the turf, unless we had a road game that would be on grass which was rare. As I said earlier, we are getting turf and plan on practicing on it as well.
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 1, 2013 5:29:38 GMT -6
Unless your grass field was designed and is kept up like NFL or D1 college natural grass fields then turf will have less injuries. I did a huge masters project on this and I'm gonna try to find time to dig up all the stats on it.
I forgot the form of measurement they use but almost every high school grass field is too hard of a surface and should be illegal to play on. A well designed grass field has layers of sand just like layers under a turf field. Also, as Bud mentioned, there are schools that have divots, pot holes, rocks, etc on their field.
So unless your field is designed and kept up like a professional sports grass field. Turf is safer.
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Post by CoachKnight55 on Apr 1, 2013 7:37:39 GMT -6
The FieldTurf company, is in the process of switching from the rubber base, to a mostly cork base, thus causing the temperature to decrease. www.fieldturf.com/en/coolplayI'm not sure on the difference in cost, as I've only researched it a little.
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Post by airraider on Apr 1, 2013 8:07:43 GMT -6
The FieldTurf company, is in the process of switching from the rubber base, to a mostly cork base, thus causing the temperature to decrease. www.fieldturf.com/en/coolplayI'm not sure on the difference in cost, as I've only researched it a little. Says its 25k extra... if you have it... then I guess its worth it.
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Post by fantom on Apr 1, 2013 8:32:13 GMT -6
After about 4-5 years on it you will notice your kids line up faster and more precise. You will notice WR routes are better run and DB's have better understanding of zones. These are just a few I have witnessed first hand, because we hardly ever got our practice field painted with all the markings and we never had it painted over the summer. They would always make the width of the field about 15 yards short so they could fit three fields , and it screws up your spacing especially on KO and KOR! When your 8th graders start coming over and running a 5 yard speed out you know they are getting it done at 5 yards. Before turf every kid was different or a coach had to put cones out and estimate the yardage and we would tear up the grass in one spot. When you install cover 2 and you start talking to your safeties about deep half they actually can see a sideline and the hashes and the numbers everyday at practice. We would harp on the WR to stay on top of the numbers and let the QB take you outside, well if you don't get numbers painted then it is a guessing game for both positions. I am an offensive guy and we noticed an increase in completions and increase in route running in the first year. We had no injuries that were correlated with the turf, we had 2 freak injuries, 1 wrist, 1 ankle, both were do to freak tacklings during games. I like turf so I'm not arguing against it but isn't your argument in favor of accurately marked fields rather than turf, specifically?
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Post by spos21ram on Apr 1, 2013 9:23:31 GMT -6
After about 4-5 years on it you will notice your kids line up faster and more precise. You will notice WR routes are better run and DB's have better understanding of zones. These are just a few I have witnessed first hand, because we hardly ever got our practice field painted with all the markings and we never had it painted over the summer. They would always make the width of the field about 15 yards short so they could fit three fields , and it screws up your spacing especially on KO and KOR! When your 8th graders start coming over and running a 5 yard speed out you know they are getting it done at 5 yards. Before turf every kid was different or a coach had to put cones out and estimate the yardage and we would tear up the grass in one spot. When you install cover 2 and you start talking to your safeties about deep half they actually can see a sideline and the hashes and the numbers everyday at practice. We would harp on the WR to stay on top of the numbers and let the QB take you outside, well if you don't get numbers painted then it is a guessing game for both positions. I am an offensive guy and we noticed an increase in completions and increase in route running in the first year. We had no injuries that were correlated with the turf, we had 2 freak injuries, 1 wrist, 1 ankle, both were do to freak tacklings during games. I like turf so I'm not arguing against it but isn't your argument in favor of accurately marked fields rather than turf, specifically? That's What u was thinking. The improvement would be the same if the practice field was lined properly Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards
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Post by airraider on Apr 1, 2013 9:26:29 GMT -6
I like turf so I'm not arguing against it but isn't your argument in favor of accurately marked fields rather than turf, specifically? That's What u was thinking. The improvement would be the same if the practice field was lined properly Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using proboards Surely he just meant with the turn you do not have to spend time marking the practice field correctly over and over again.. we usually diesel ours in the summer and its good for the whole year.
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Post by mholst40 on Apr 1, 2013 9:52:53 GMT -6
After about 4-5 years on it you will notice your kids line up faster and more precise. You will notice WR routes are better run and DB's have better understanding of zones. These are just a few I have witnessed first hand, because we hardly ever got our practice field painted with all the markings and we never had it painted over the summer. They would always make the width of the field about 15 yards short so they could fit three fields , and it screws up your spacing especially on KO and KOR! When your 8th graders start coming over and running a 5 yard speed out you know they are getting it done at 5 yards. Before turf every kid was different or a coach had to put cones out and estimate the yardage and we would tear up the grass in one spot. When you install cover 2 and you start talking to your safeties about deep half they actually can see a sideline and the hashes and the numbers everyday at practice. We would harp on the WR to stay on top of the numbers and let the QB take you outside, well if you don't get numbers painted then it is a guessing game for both positions. I am an offensive guy and we noticed an increase in completions and increase in route running in the first year. We had no injuries that were correlated with the turf, we had 2 freak injuries, 1 wrist, 1 ankle, both were do to freak tacklings during games. My number one reason for liking turf is this! Consistently lined field are a major problem for us. Having lines down makes practice much more efficient for us. On top of that, our grass fields are terrible.
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Post by tgun25 on Apr 1, 2013 17:36:54 GMT -6
My current school has the 9th grade, JV, and varsity football, plus boys and girls soccer, a community college football team, and our HS marching band that all use the grass game field. Needless to say by October the field is virtually unusable. In my opinion the field is unsafe. Actually, come playoff time the soccer teams don't even play on the stadium field because of its condition, they go to what is supposed to be their "game" field and play there....that really ticks me off!
Long story short, we're getting Field Turf installed after the last home track meet in May! Extremely excited about this and yes, we will be practicing on it.
Another question for those of you with experience: are Dyna Claws better than regular cleats on turf?
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Post by macdiiddy on Apr 1, 2013 20:49:57 GMT -6
Fiscally, are artificial fields more cost effective?
At first glance the answer would seem to be yes. You dont need to mow, water, seed or paint.
However, I heard arguments where you need to disinfect the field and then the overall lifespan of the field itself compared to the high start up cost.
What type of maintenance is done on artificial fields? How often do you have to spray some sort of disinfectant to prevent staph disease and whatever else? Has anyone ever had to get their artificial field re done?
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 1, 2013 21:12:22 GMT -6
Fiscally, are artificial fields more cost effective? At first glance the answer would seem to be yes. You dont need to mow, water, seed or paint. However, I heard arguments where you need to disinfect the field and then the overall lifespan of the field itself compared to the high start up cost. What type of maintenance is done on artificial fields? How often do you have to spray some sort of disinfectant to prevent staph disease and whatever else? Has anyone ever had to get their artificial field re done? I don't have the exact numbers I just know some basic things because as I stated earlier we will soon be getting a new stadium with turf, as well as a practice field with turf. Varsity will use the stadium field, JV and freshman will split the practice field No matter what you're gonna get a 10 year life expectancy from the field... Some might guarantee 8, some go up to 12 but they all say plan for roughly 10 years That is with solid upkeep, I just know you need to use the field turf zamboni (i don't know what it is really called) it essentially fluffs the rubber pellets and makes sure it settles properly I believe... so there is some upkeep I think it probably costs more overall financially but Having a field that can be used non stop year round makes it worthwhile. We will have 2 full football/soccer fields and both will have lights. We will have a 9 lane track... We are trying to have the nicest athletic facility in the county and if they do it right we should be pretty close to the best around We will have a rentable facility that can generate a ton of money for the district to make up whatever maintenance costs arise the next 10 years Local youth soccer, football, track teams all pay other schools, located further away... we will be able to get their business and it will help act as a natural feeder to our sports programs
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Post by rsmith627 on Apr 1, 2013 21:12:53 GMT -6
Fiscally, are artificial fields more cost effective? At first glance the answer would seem to be yes. You dont need to mow, water, seed or paint. However, I heard arguments where you need to disinfect the field and then the overall lifespan of the field itself compared to the high start up cost. What type of maintenance is done on artificial fields? How often do you have to spray some sort of disinfectant to prevent staph disease and whatever else? Has anyone ever had to get their artificial field re done? Not sure a out the spray, but I once heard the turf is good for 10 or so years. That number may be inaccurate. Coaches,chime in if you have a different number.
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 1, 2013 22:16:58 GMT -6
I've heard some of the numbers, and it works out to about the same long-term. Turf makes sense, but it just doesn't feel right.
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 1, 2013 22:32:26 GMT -6
I've heard some of the numbers, and it works out to about the same long-term. Turf makes sense, but it just doesn't feel right. What part doesn't feel right? Just curious
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 1, 2013 22:40:15 GMT -6
It's not "real," it lacks a visceral quality. Sterile.
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 1, 2013 22:50:12 GMT -6
It's not "real," it lacks a visceral quality. Sterile. What would be your guess at the percent of fields in Canada that are turf vs grass? I would think with the weather most schools would be going to turf for a better year round playing surface but would like to hear your input
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Post by Chris Clement on Apr 1, 2013 23:19:56 GMT -6
5%? Maybe? More in Quebec at the charter schools, but absolutely none at the noncharter schools (hereafter referred to as "ghetto as chit") Ontario has very very few, mostly community fields, almost none at schools. Out west some have more, I think Alberta has a bunch, they just throw money at things and it'll bite them when the oil runs dry. I played on a spectacular field, most opponents had mediocre fields, but the turf just doesn't feel right.
Schools typically have one field for every sport to play games on and football practices there too, so you have to carefully manage where you practice to balance the wear. This year we wanted to slow down an opponent for our last home game so we shredded the field all week.
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Post by coachbdud on Apr 2, 2013 12:34:23 GMT -6
I love that we are already a fast team and turf is like hitting the FF x2 button. Hate the rubber inside my shoes because I always forget to take my shoes off at the stadium so after a few weeks my apartment looks like brown turf in my living room. The Rubber in the shoes is slightly annoying but vacuums up easy... the Mud/Dirt from a dusty old track and field are much more of a pain in the butt
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