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Post by coachbdud on Mar 15, 2013 15:00:31 GMT -6
So I'm literally, shocked and blown away right now as I type this... Apparently my blog is more popular than I thought...
I just got a personal email from Tony Franklin himself asking me to take down my blog posts from spring ball... They have too much insider information... I thought what I had was generic, I wasn't giving up anything that was a secret in my opinion... But I apologized, I feel bad for upsetting him
And I'll be taking the posts down once I get home
I'm still in shock...am I a bad person?
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Post by CoachFetty on Mar 15, 2013 15:06:58 GMT -6
Hilarious...I don't see anything wrong with them.
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Post by brophy on Mar 15, 2013 15:08:16 GMT -6
hurrrible horrible person.....shocked!
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 15, 2013 15:21:35 GMT -6
It's my analysis of things I don't believe there's a single thing on there that would give any advantage to a potential opponent
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Post by coachplaa on Mar 15, 2013 15:36:40 GMT -6
Agreed, and you're not a bad guy but my only thought is I wouldn't mind coaches coming to watch my team practice but I might get annoyed if they put film of my drills online.
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Post by coach2013 on Mar 15, 2013 15:38:37 GMT -6
Why isnt franklin able to have folks poking at his system or analyzing things? seems like nobody else is immune. Ill have to look at just so I can also talk about it ha ha.
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Post by spreadattack on Mar 15, 2013 15:46:39 GMT -6
(1) You're not the first guy to get a random email from Tony Franklin. Just be kind in response and you can actually keep a pretty good open channel from there. I mean unless you want to stand on your first amendment rights (they don't have any authority to tell you to take it down, I don't think, given that it was in public), but I'm guessing you'd rather just keep it moving on this one.
(2) Welcome to the new world. I linked to your stuff and some other big sites did too, and it doesn't take much to make the rounds. They kind of invited this with the open practice stuff ("We have no secrets,") but when push comes to shove coaches get secretive anyway. We also live in a world where fan blogs eat up this kind of info, and your posts were very well done so it's going to get circulated.
If it makes you feel any better I spoke to a Sports Illustrated reporter friend of mine the other day who visited Cal, and he said they told him a good deal of info but a surprising amount of it was "off the record," including exactly how many plays they have and stuff like that.
Feel free to PM me if you have any etiquette stuff. I'm sure brophy is a great resource on this too.
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Post by fballcoachg on Mar 15, 2013 15:50:57 GMT -6
Regular spread Benedict Arnold right here!
I'd be flattered than blackmail him for a job...or ask what exactly his issue is to keep the doors of communication open and build a better relationship with the staff there, probably a more reasonable approach! That is extremely odd though, maybe you have the rest of the PAC57 checking out your blog too!
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 15, 2013 16:03:07 GMT -6
Yeah I was very polite, apologetic and I genuinely do feel sorry if I violated his trust or offended him
And LOL at the idea of blackmail
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 15, 2013 16:07:58 GMT -6
(1) You're not the first guy to get a random email from Tony Franklin. Just be kind in response and you can actually keep a pretty good open channel from there. I mean unless you want to stand on your first amendment rights (they don't have any authority to tell you to take it down, I don't think, given that it was in public), but I'm guessing you'd rather just keep it moving on this one. (2) Welcome to the new world. I linked to your stuff and some other big sites did too, and it doesn't take much to make the rounds. They kind of invited this with the open practice stuff ("We have no secrets,") but when push comes to shove coaches get secretive anyway. We also live in a world where fan blogs eat up this kind of info, and your posts were very well done so it's going to get circulated. If it makes you feel any better I spoke to a Sports Illustrated reporter friend of mine the other day who visited Cal, and he said they told him a good deal of info but a surprising amount of it was "off the record," including exactly how many plays they have and stuff like that. Feel free to PM me if you have any etiquette stuff. I'm sure brophy is a great resource on this too. Yeah it is crazy... I did a search of my name the other day and found my blog on a ton of different sites and linked in articles... it was weird to see... but I guess it is a good thing? enough people felt it was worth reading
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Post by wingtol on Mar 15, 2013 16:19:17 GMT -6
Prob worried about losing money from people buying the system. No secrets....until someone can get them for free! LOL
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Post by RENO6 on Mar 15, 2013 16:41:39 GMT -6
Did you buy his system?
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Post by tog on Mar 15, 2013 17:02:13 GMT -6
I need to go find the inventor of inside zone and get him to copyright that. Maybe bucksweep?
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 15, 2013 17:04:54 GMT -6
I did But I had all of the information before we bought the system Honestly that was part of why we haven't continued to go... Didn't feel it was worth it when most if the information I paid 3k for I already had access to
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Post by coachrji on Mar 15, 2013 17:05:56 GMT -6
I saw the post the other day while at school but didn't have time to check the whole thing out. Was going to get into this weekend! That sucks!
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Post by spos21ram on Mar 15, 2013 17:17:29 GMT -6
TF = Big bag of female cleansing product
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 17:36:10 GMT -6
makes one wonder....if franklin isnt a silent member here.....
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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 15, 2013 17:43:59 GMT -6
I agree..I saw the post and looked at the vid...nothing against you but I thought the first video hardly showed anything at all..the second one was better but really, it was so generic it could have been filmed most anywhere
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Post by RENO6 on Mar 15, 2013 17:44:59 GMT -6
Are you obligated for life to never share Tony Franklin's secrets that he took from other people?
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Post by Chris Clement on Mar 15, 2013 18:54:51 GMT -6
So he lets anyone into their practice but then worries that anyone could have access to the stuff you could learn by going to the practice that anyone had access to?
Sounds like Colonel Cathcart and Major Major are at it again.
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Post by apacheblood on Mar 15, 2013 18:59:31 GMT -6
Sounds like he just worried about making some more money to me!!
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Post by kylem56 on Mar 15, 2013 20:38:57 GMT -6
Sounds like he just worried about making some more money to me!! ^ ^ exactly this ^^ You better believe he is filming practices, drills, etc. so he can sell them for 3 grand to his clients. What a joke. I could understand if you were filming his TEAM sessions or putting up a diagram of every play ran but come on really. If anything you sprung some interest for other area coaches to go visit their practices.
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Post by tigertown on Mar 15, 2013 20:50:31 GMT -6
Makes me laugh. Research Lavelle Edwards playbook. Put it in the shotgun like Hal Mumme did. Copyright the way practice was ran and you become rich! If you watch them on tv they send 2 plays in like the Pats. Don't cover guys up throw the look pass. Covered and numbers run the ball. Pretty much what 3/4 of America has evolved too. Zone read came from Rich Rodriguizes QB pulling the ball on his own because DE was chasing. I can understand a coach not wanting people to come to their practice and share what they are doing. Close practice if that's a worry.
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Post by brophy on Mar 16, 2013 0:06:07 GMT -6
to be fair, I'm sure ANY program would do the same thing if they found out someone was filming their practices unknowingly. It likely has more to do with trust than actually spilling the beans on scheme. Particularly with spring ball, it may also have something to do with additional scouting of the depth chart that you wouldn't normally get. That being said, I seem to remember La Tech last year being a part of one of those ESPN "inside the program" type deals where the entire practice soup-to-nuts was filmed. It also looked like coachbdub made an effort to NOT film/post anything secret (just Indy drill work), likely the same stuff you would've caught had a local broadcast affiliate was filming stock bumper footage. To each his own, though. It certainly presents a new challenge for programs because information is so accessible these days. Now coaches have the potential of contending with a multitude of sources that could affect your branding as a program. Bottom line, though, this has more to do with going beyond the etiquette of being a guest. Its one thing to email another coach and ask questions to help your program. Its another thing to visit that coach under the pretense that you want to make your program better, then turn around and publish stuff recordings of your interaction that he didn't know was taking place. Its not our place to be able to pass judgment on another coach and determine whether or not they have a right to be upset. I'm also curious if brophy has been asked to take any of his LaTech stuff down before. yes
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Post by tommyfootball on Mar 16, 2013 1:03:47 GMT -6
Does anybody think that maybe this is because he's now at Cal, a PAC-12 school where the stakes are higher, and not LaTech in the WAC? I'm also curious if brophy has been asked to take any of his LaTech stuff down before.
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 16, 2013 1:13:56 GMT -6
The videos of drills were added just for some depth in the blog post... They're basic drills I've used for the last 3 years... Just figured showing D1 kids doing them might appear better than my kids
They were open to filming, a ton of coaches had phones, iPads, and full on video cameras out the entire practice
I purposely didn't film any team or signaling or any form of communication/ verbiage
I spoke on schematics but I don't believe anyone on the CAL/LaTech staff invented any of the plays used
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 3:42:26 GMT -6
The videos of drills were added just for some depth in the blog post... They're basic drills I've used for the last 3 years... Just figured showing D1 kids doing them might appear better than my kids They were open to filming, a ton of coaches had phones, iPads, and full on video cameras out the entire practice I purposely didn't film any team or signaling or any form of communication/ verbiage I spoke on schematics but I don't believe anyone on the CAL/LaTech staff invented any of the plays used That has been argument "trades". It not yours in the sense that you didnt invent any of it....as a result the whole thing is now pretty much underground.
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Post by spreadattack on Mar 16, 2013 7:20:26 GMT -6
One note is that this shouldn't be entirely a shock. I seem to remember you posting about going to Cal's practice before you went, and people talked about that you should feel free to take notes and learn but it would be another thing to put video on the internet.
It's a discussion for another day, but it's one reason that the vast majority of things I write about and use images/diagrams/video for are from games, which is exactly what opponents have. (And coaches even get riled about *that* sometimes, which I can't agree with. If you ran some play on national TV it's fair game.) I get a lot more behind the scenes stuff than I put online but you have to use discretion with what you put online.
For better or for worse all journalists will tell you this is the case. With the internet now it makes everyone a journalist. It's a complicated dance of wanting exposure, trust, competitive advantages, etc. What you have to realize is that these guys are conflicted on this -- they want exposure but want to control the message -- but you're conflicted too. Suddenly if you write about Cal's drills with video and diagrams everybody wants to read your stuff, but should you be sharing it? It's just how the world works. It's a balance.
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Post by spos21ram on Mar 16, 2013 7:28:00 GMT -6
I don't see the problem with posting a video of individual drills especially when they knew he was doing it. Plus the content and purpose of the blog was for teaching. It wasnt some fan site blog exposing what Cal does. I can't help to agree that TF's reasoning behind this was money driven since the videos posted were showing Cal on a positive light as a teaching tool. TF wants people to pay to see them.
If it was anything else besides indy drills then I would agree.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 7:34:58 GMT -6
My answer here won't be popular, but if his main motivation was money...so be it. He has a product people are willing to pay for. If I had something that people were willing to pay top dollar for and part of this product got put on the internet for free, I'd probably be a little irked too.
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