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Post by coachweav88 on Dec 22, 2012 7:14:35 GMT -6
I am looking for varsity practice schedules for practices that are 2 hrs or less. If you do this, could you post what the breakdown of times are?
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Post by calkayne on Dec 22, 2012 8:27:01 GMT -6
Here is an example of a 2hr PS we have done during the early stages of PreSeason:
10min Warm Up
10min Form Running
10min Tackling
05min Break
15min Agility
05min Break
20min Indy
20min Group
10min Conditioning
10min Stretch
Thats a total of 115min.
Though the players tend to have water at their stations, the breaks are more for the coaches to setup new stations and for the players to relax before working again.
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Post by Mav on Dec 22, 2012 9:00:23 GMT -6
Here's what we'd do after a few weeks into the season. Earlier in the season we'd have more indy time and less team.(more ST time too)
10 mins - dynamic warmup
Def:
10 mins - tackling circuit
10 mins - Indy D
15 mins - Group D (Inside run and pass skel simultaneously w/1s and 2s. Switch half way through)
15 mins - Team D
ST: 2-3 per day
10 mins
Off:
10 mins - Indy O
20 mins - Group O (Inside run/half line and pass skel simultaneously w/1s and 2s. Switch half way through)
20 mins - Team O
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 22, 2012 9:27:42 GMT -6
Several good ways to do things:
We cram a lot of stuff into two hours.
5 min flexline
5 min competitive edge
5 min FG/PAT
10 min Special Teams/Indy Period
We start special teams while OL guys start Indy and we keep those needed if anyone. That way extra guys are not standing around waiting.
Finish up Indy 10-20 minutes
D Indy/Skelly/Hull 20 min
Team D 20
Team O 20
That's about 2 hours.
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 22, 2012 10:09:45 GMT -6
here's a typical practice for us. just slightly longer than 2 hours when using 5 minute periods - but you could cut stuff. we keep this schedule/model even when we are cutting back late in the season - we just go to 4 minute periods. This is for offense. Defense follows the same basic schedule - the good on good (team vs defense; goalline vs defense) periods are scripted for down/distance only, wing the plays. after that, both teams break away and run scripted team vs scouts. when we are good on good the jv is doing the same Jv off vs jv def.  |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 22, 2012 10:50:02 GMT -6
We sort of have an unwritten rule that no practice will go over 2 hours. Here's a standard Tuesday (offensive day)-
345-355-Dynamic warmup
355-405- 40 yd ladders
405-410- Water
410-425- Individual/Indy conditioning
425-430- Water
430-440- Punt
440-455- Inside Run
455-5- DBD- Run a gasser- Time it. If everyone makes it in 31 secs we get a drink. If not, we run it again
5-505- Water
505-515- Kickoff
515-530- Team Offense
530- If practice was terrible with terrible effort we may run some here. If not, we bring it in and have announcements, etc and go home.
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Post by kwallis on Dec 22, 2012 16:04:43 GMT -6
Hope the picture loads right, trying it on my iPad for the first time.
We are 2hr 10min or under everyday
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Post by kwallis on Dec 22, 2012 16:12:55 GMT -6
Schedule
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Post by blb on Dec 22, 2012 16:14:17 GMT -6
Curious - why do you have to practice two hours or less?
Does that include Two-a-days/Pre-Season?
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Post by 33coach on Dec 22, 2012 19:08:19 GMT -6
Curious - why do you have to practice two hours or less? Does that include Two-a-days/Pre-Season? Both playing and coaching i never had a full pad practice go over 2 hours. I always figured thats standard Sent from my DROID Pro using proboards |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 23, 2012 0:29:23 GMT -6
Curious - why do you have to practice two hours or less? Does that include Two-a-days/Pre-Season? IMHO, if you go over 2 hours you're wasting time. Kids start to tune out after so long. I've found that time length to be around 1:45. That's why we do it. The shorter and more on task the better for us. Get in, get what we need to get done done and get out. It has made our practices way more efficient and productive. |
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Post by blb on Dec 23, 2012 7:29:54 GMT -6
Depends on your numbers and whether you write Water Breaks into your practice schedule (i.e. include that as part of time spent).
My previous job we usually had 40-50 kids on Varsity. To get them all some reps especially in Team we practiced 2:30 (during Two-a-Days that included 4-5 H20 Breaks of five minutes each).
Where I am now our numbers are mid-20s. So Two-a-Days are 2 hours each, In-Season 2:15 (Thursday 1:45).
We could get it down to two hours or less by going Offense or Defense to the exclusion of the other but I'm not willing to do that.
I have read two different studies about 20 years apart that said the longest you should practice is 2:30. After that you reach the point of diminishing returns and chance of injury becomes higher.
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Post by Yash on Dec 23, 2012 23:06:45 GMT -6
We shoot for 2 hours for same reason listed above. Kids start to tune out after 2 hours. Also, you can work hard, or you can work long, but you can't work really hard for really long. If you consistently go 2.5 to 3 hour practices your kids will probably wear down. Have people done it and succeeded, I'm sure they have but its just how we feel.
Also, you will run 60 or so plays in a game (some of the no huddle teams may run 90, but thats not us) Many of those plays will be repeats (I'm running power off tackle more than once) I don't need 120 snaps of team if I won't even run that many plays. Script the plays in practice so it meets what you will actually call in a game. Be efficient and demand the same from your assistants. We found that the kids buy in when you tell them, we won't go over such and such a time, so don't cheat us while we are here.
For fall camp we go 2 hour practice, with last half hour of that being special teams, 30-45 minute break, 1.5 hour practice.
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Post by coachweav88 on Dec 24, 2012 10:11:12 GMT -6
What does your practice breakdown look like?
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Post by buckeye7525 on Dec 24, 2012 10:35:55 GMT -6
We shoot for 2 hours for same reason listed above. Kids start to tune out after 2 hours. Also, you can work hard, or you can work long, but you can't work really hard for really long. If you consistently go 2.5 to 3 hour practices your kids will probably wear down. Have people done it and succeeded, I'm sure they have but its just how we feel. Also, you will run 60 or so plays in a game (some of the no huddle teams may run 90, but thats not us) Many of those plays will be repeats (I'm running power off tackle more than once) I don't need 120 snaps of team if I won't even run that many plays. Script the plays in practice so it meets what you will actually call in a game. Be efficient and demand the same from your assistants. We found that the kids buy in when you tell them, we won't go over such and such a time, so don't cheat us while we are here. For fall camp we go 2 hour practice, with last half hour of that being special teams, 30-45 minute break, 1.5 hour practice. Coach, would you mind detailing how you break down your In-Season practices as well as your Fall Camp practices? |
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Post by Yash on Dec 24, 2012 15:45:43 GMT -6
Here is my fall camp one. We go hour break in between practices. Gives them long enough to get off their feet, eat something and gear up for the last part of practice. We are not full platoon so you will see offensive and defensive emphasis. We try to play guys one way but are not able to fully commit to this yet due to lack of quality lineman. We are going to be closer this year than last, but still not there yet.  Below is my In season one. We tried a lot of different things so this morphed as the year went on. If we were playing a team that was not a heavy pass team we didn't do pass skelly both days. In fact we got to the point where we didn't do pass skelly at all because we played 3 option teams in a row and they didn't throw. Why defend what they don't do.  |
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Post by 42falcon on Dec 24, 2012 19:25:54 GMT -6
Very cool thread! Here is a document I am working on for our program this year. We get a 1 week spring camp where we evaluate players then into our season.
As a legend the practice template is broken down into colors:
red = no contact / mental / warm up physically / cool down
yellow = 75% speed contact but not to ground
green = full speed
We either have 3 day work weeks or 4 day work weeks depending upon where the game sits.
My idea is to print this (2 pages per sheet) this way a coach would have the whole week in one package with the script built in.
Sorry guess the doc was to big. But that's the idea same ideas as what you guys have. Just some different focus we need to be better tacklers and blockers so we have more teaching time there added.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Dec 25, 2012 8:21:42 GMT -6
here's a typical practice for us. just slightly longer than 2 hours when using 5 minute periods - but you could cut stuff. we keep this schedule/model even when we are cutting back late in the season - we just go to 4 minute periods. This is for offense. Defense follows the same basic schedule - the good on good (team vs defense; goalline vs defense) periods are scripted for down/distance only, wing the plays. after that, both teams break away and run scripted team vs scouts. when we are good on good the jv is doing the same Jv off vs jv def. Huey, if you were a single platoon team how much would this change? |
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Post by Coach Huey on Dec 25, 2012 11:04:25 GMT -6
Huey, if you were a single platoon team how much would this change? here's a suggestion, very general... monday & tuesday periods 1-12 = offense. some indy, a little hull, some team vs scouts have a break periods 14-25 = defense. some indy, a little hull, some team vs scouts wednesday periods 1-3 offensive special teams (punt, kickoff return) periods 4-11: defense. mostly team but mix in what is needed break @ 12 periods 13-15: defensive special teams (punt return, kickoff) periods 16-22: offense. mostly team but mix in what is needed period 23: field goal, field goal block thursday: periods 1-4: special teams periods 5-10: defense. team break @ 11: periods 12-17: offense. team |
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Post by davishfc on Dec 26, 2012 7:35:07 GMT -6
Curious - why do you have to practice two hours or less? Does that include Two-a-days/Pre-Season? I was wondering the same things. Is the purpose just trying to get to 2 hours or less just to do it or are you looking at a requirement from the AD? |
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Post by coachweav88 on Dec 26, 2012 9:00:21 GMT -6
One place I coached at had 2 hr or less practices. John Gagliardi has 90 minute practices. Just wanted to see practice plans of others who do the same.
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Post by 42falcon on Dec 26, 2012 11:19:32 GMT -6
Here is ours I think I figured out how to post it.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 27, 2012 21:47:26 GMT -6
I just don't think it's possible to effectively practice a single platoon team in a 2 hour format consistently unless you're talking about an early first day of the week walk through practice, day before game pre-game practice, or late season practice when everything has been repped throughout the entire season. I mean you could schedule it on paper but it would lack in a few, if not, several areas. There's just too much with the offense, defense, and special teams that needs to be effectively executed.
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Post by mitch on Dec 27, 2012 23:08:43 GMT -6
5-Stretch
8-Tackle on D day, Screen on O day
10-Special
30-Individual
15-Inside
15-Outside
10-Special
15-Team
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Post by buckeye7525 on Dec 28, 2012 6:36:31 GMT -6
I just don't think it's possible to effectively practice a single platoon team in a 2 hour format consistently unless you're talking about an early first day of the week walk through practice, day before game pre-game practice, or late season practice when everything has been repped throughout the entire season. I mean you could schedule it on paper but it would lack in a few, if not, several areas. There's just too much with the offense, defense, and special teams that needs to be effectively executed. How long do you guys go? |
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Post by buckeye7525 on Dec 28, 2012 6:39:58 GMT -6
Huey, if you were a single platoon team how much would this change? here's a suggestion, very general... monday & tuesday periods 1-12 = offense. some indy, a little hull, some team vs scouts have a break periods 14-25 = defense. some indy, a little hull, some team vs scouts wednesday periods 1-3 offensive special teams (punt, kickoff return) periods 4-11: defense. mostly team but mix in what is needed break @ 12 periods 13-15: defensive special teams (punt return, kickoff) periods 16-22: offense. mostly team but mix in what is needed period 23: field goal, field goal block thursday: periods 1-4: special teams periods 5-10: defense. team break @ 11: periods 12-17: offense. team Thanks coach! |
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Post by coachweav88 on Dec 28, 2012 9:06:03 GMT -6
I just don't think it's possible to effectively practice a single platoon team in a 2 hour format consistently unless you're talking about an early first day of the week walk through practice, day before game pre-game practice, or late season practice when everything has been repped throughout the entire season. I mean you could schedule it on paper but it would lack in a few, if not, several areas. There's just too much with the offense, defense, and special teams that needs to be effectively executed. Thank you, but I'm not asking for opinions, I'm asking for practice schedules. It can work. I've seen it work. The team I used to coach for went 10-0 a few years ago going 2 hrs or less. In fact, later in the season, they only went 1 1/2 hrs. |
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Post by davishfc on Dec 28, 2012 9:57:23 GMT -6
I just don't think it's possible to effectively practice a single platoon team in a 2 hour format consistently unless you're talking about an early first day of the week walk through practice, day before game pre-game practice, or late season practice when everything has been repped throughout the entire season. I mean you could schedule it on paper but it would lack in a few, if not, several areas. There's just too much with the offense, defense, and special teams that needs to be effectively executed. Thank you, but I'm not asking for opinions, I'm asking for practice schedules. It can work. I've seen it work. The team I used to coach for went 10-0 a few years ago going 2 hrs or less. In fact, later in the season, they only went 1 1/2 hrs. That's fine. Well then you don't want either of my "work day" (Tuesday or Wednesday) practice schedules because they both, in a typical week, run 2:30 hours. We are a varsity of around 30. Is the program you're talking about a two platoon or single platoon team? That will certainly have been a factor in how much they could get done and done well during a practice. If the offense could work offense and the defense work defense then closer to two hours would be much more possible. This sounds like a case of "well they were 10-0 and they practiced for 2 hours or less" so we're going to as well. We're they loaded with talent? That would obviously influence how long they needed to practice. This is like the threads that get started where a team is making a transition to another offense because they won more with it. Or a program gets turned around and the credit is given to the change in offense. I would be cautious about making a transition with your practice schedule because a team went 10-0 doing it. There are so many others factors that would've been potentially influential on that team's outcome, it would be inaccurate to credit it exclusively to practicing for 2 hours or less. |
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Post by 42falcon on Dec 28, 2012 10:10:06 GMT -6
Thank you, but I'm not asking for opinions, I'm asking for practice schedules. It can work. I've seen it work. The team I used to coach for went 10-0 a few years ago going 2 hrs or less. In fact, later in the season, they only went 1 1/2 hrs. That's fine. Well then you don't want either of my "work day" (Tuesday or Wednesday) practice schedules because they both, in a typical week, run 2:30 hours. We are a varsity of around 30. Is the program you're talking about a two platoon or single platoon team? That will certainly have been a factor in how much they could get done and done well during a practice. If the offense could work offense and the defense work defense then closer to two hours would be much more possible. This sounds like a case of "well they were 10-0 and they practiced for 2 hours or less" so we're going to as well. We're they loaded with talent? That would obviously influence how long they needed to practice. This is like the threads that get started where a team is making a transition to another offense because hey won more with it. Or a program gets turned around and the credit is given to the change in offense. I would be cautious about making a transition with your practice schedule because a team went 10-0 doing it. There are so many others factors that would've been potentially influential on that team's outcome, it would be inaccurate to practicing for 2 hours or less. I am going to go out on a limb here and say this it is not about how long you practice for but more how you use the time you are practicing in that matters. You could practice for 3 hours be disorganized, un scripted, no flow and get nothing done. Or you could practice for 2 hours and be bang on and get it all done well. There is obviously a point where you are not having enough practice time and a point where you get to much. But again like everything else we all look at when it comes to successful teams / programs: scheme, culture, and now practice it is not what you do but how you do it that counts & that is where I am seeing the value in this thread. I want to know "how" people are doing a 2 hour practice great that they tell me the periods they are running but the how behind it all is what matters. I know teams in our city who run practices with very little skill time and no warm up crazy eh? But in reality they do have skill it is how they put it into the practices and they do have warm up but it is the how they do it. This is where the innovation of practices come in not in having music playing or any of the shiny stuff. |
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Post by coachweav88 on Dec 28, 2012 10:49:38 GMT -6
I want to know "how" people are doing a 2 hour practice great that they tell me the periods they are running but the how behind it all is what matters. This. |
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