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Post by davishfc on Dec 28, 2012 11:35:29 GMT -6
I want to know "how" people are doing a 2 hour practice great that they tell me the periods they are running but the how behind it all is what matters. The how behind it all is what matters. I understand and I agree which is why I'm constantly trying to differentiate the situations of programs that would influence the "how." Two platoon vs. single platoon and number of coaches are the two most influential factors to the "how" of practice. But there are no mention of these factors in the thread except for a couple coaches mentioning them. It's just, what's your schedule look like? Are we comparing apples to oranges or not? I want to know. I've learned to do this on this forum because there are so many different situations that exist out there for football programs.
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Post by coachweav88 on Dec 28, 2012 12:02:31 GMT -6
The program I coached in was as small school that had between 25 and 30 on a team. I think the small numbers helped keep practices shorter because it didn't take long to get everyone the necessary reps. Also, there isn't a lot of standing around and "teaching". Just repping and coaching on the run. The hc has been there over 30 years so there is a lot of continuity to what they've been doing.
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Post by 42falcon on Dec 28, 2012 12:29:42 GMT -6
Here are our basic principles for practice periods.
-color coded periods: Red = no contact low tempo, warm up, mental skills, teaching periods Yellow = up tempo 75-100% limited contact -nothing to the ground Green = live tempo Each period is an approximation as this is our legend tells you what we want to do in each block. The amount of time changes depending on the day we are in ie: 3 day work week or 4 day work week.
We have between 35-50 players on our roster 2 hour practices, each week we have 3 two way players. We are moving to only select players who have lots of football experience as our 2 way guys. This year was terrible with one of our LB's doubling as a OT. We are bad at that aspect of thing and need to refine it. The goal here is limit the amount of transitions between drills ie: having to wait for a group to move over everything works off of small group to big group to staying in big group to breaking down. We have a small group of coaches lots of helpers but a few quality guys that we lean on in a big way this allows us to all coach the kids and maximize our efficiency (I think). This pre-determined practice sched helps because the kids are going to know the flow of each day ie: day 1 or day 2 or pre game.
The "how" of what we are trying to do is: -no team based warm up each group warms up on their own in pre practice (this is not part of the 2 hours) ie: DB's would work peddle & run pass read with LB's working drops and run / pass read -since they are already in groups we get into skill (work flow) -from skill we get together for 1 on 1 allowing the players to work the skills they just practiced VS the opposing position group -tackle period is a teaching period (we bring the team together for this again work flow minimize the time in transitions across the field) -we are young very little experience so this is a teaching block think of Hugh Wayatt's tackle vids on the fundamentals, or O players work the opposing fundamentals ball security, running with the ball -competition period is where we employ those same skills we just worked on -Pride -these are pit drill type things ie: inside run / screen game -Group -install, turn over drills, pursuit and game plan (this flexes depending upon the time in season) -skelly and then scrimmage -specials come into play and replace Pride depending on the work day
We have this expanded I tried posting it but it was to big. It goes into our spring (1 week) and then our base work days. These days DO NOT change it allows us to plan practices in advance so all coaches have it prior to the season. I just spent some time with our OC going over what inside run / Oklahoma needs to look like for them to get what they need out of it. This gets deeper into the "How". By the end of the process I plan to have this plus a drill manual attached off of it so that all coaches know what is coming up.
Our spring looks very different as the focus is on evaluation which is the oposite of our Provincial Champion Team from our City that focus on install. This comes down to what Davishfc was talking about apples and oranges. They have 30-40 kids 90% have played football since grade 7 and 95% play spring ball. We get maybe 10 kids who have played before.
For guys that have read Schurmur's book on team defense and checked out the Jenkins vids on Brophy's site most of this is a synthesis of all of that stuff with our needs overlapped.
Hope this helps?
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Post by davishfc on Dec 28, 2012 13:51:44 GMT -6
The hc has been there over 30 years so there is a lot of continuity to what they've been doing. Continuity is vital. But continuity of the head coach is only a start. How many varsity assistants are there? How many JV assistants are there? Do the teams practice together at all? Or are they completely independent?
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Post by coachweav88 on Dec 28, 2012 14:18:37 GMT -6
Assistants have been there between 15-20 years. Everyone practices together
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Post by davishfc on Dec 28, 2012 14:30:12 GMT -6
We have between 35-50 players on our roster 2 hour practices, each week we have 3 two way players. We are moving to only select players who have lots of football experience as our 2 way guys. So regardless of the 2 way players or not. Do you have an offensive practice and a defensive practice going on simultaneously on the field? The goal here is limit the amount of transitions between drills ie: having to wait for a group to move over everything works off of small group to big group to staying in big group to breaking down. This is probably common sense. Keep practice moving. Limit the wasted time between segments and/or drills. We have a small group of coaches lots of helpers but a few quality guys that we lean on in a big way this allows us to all coach the kids and maximize our efficiency (I think). What is a small group of coaches? Numbers? What is the number of the "few" quality guys that you lean on in a big way. Our spring looks very different as the focus is on evaluation which is the oposite of our Provincial Champion Team from our City that focus on install. This comes down to what Davishfc was talking about apples and oranges. They have 30-40 kids 90% have played football since grade 7 and 95% play spring ball. We get maybe 10 kids who have played before. What if you don't have spring ball because it's illegal by the state's governing body? My point is this... If we had more players to run an offensive practice and defensive practice simultaneously, more assistant coaches for both sides of the ball, and spring ball as another way to reinforce what we're doing within the program...I have no doubt that we could consistently meet the 2 hour threshold desired by this thread. But with right around 30 players (with about 6 two way players) having to rep offense, defense, and special teams...only 3 coaches at each level, varsity and JV...and NO spring ball...it's understandable why we would take 2:30 on Tuesday and Wednesday to get done what we need to compete.
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Post by 42falcon on Dec 28, 2012 14:40:25 GMT -6
The only time we r broken apart is skill group the rest is done as 1. We rep O&D in same days some of each. We have 4 coaches hence why we stay together.
2 hours works for us doesn't mean it's the only way 2 go
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Post by davishfc on Dec 28, 2012 14:56:07 GMT -6
The only time we r broken apart is skill group the rest is done as 1. We rep O&D in same days some of each. We have 4 coaches hence why we stay together. So what happens during your team period when you have close to 50 players? You have 11 on 11 going on so there's 22 kids working. Obviously you need to have eyes on each of the positions so you ensure they're not practicing their mistakes. So your coaches are occupied doing that. What about the remainder of players on your roster? What are they doing during your team segments? 2 hours works for us doesn't mean it's the only way 2 go I understand. It works for you with the resources you have...players, coaches, and spring ball. Ultimately the question becomes, does the benefit of an extra 30 minutes of practice outweigh the cost in terms of lost interest on the part of the players? We believe it does. The amount of work we're able to get in during that additional time prepares us that much more. We don't see the players losing interest. Toward the end of the year, our practices get closer to 2 hours but at that point, we've practiced everything for so long and have gotten progressively better at it. We are more efficient because we know what we're doing so we get out earlier. It seems like a natural learning progression to me.
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Post by 42falcon on Dec 28, 2012 16:16:19 GMT -6
When we have 12 vs 12 the rest ate swapping in & out. Everything is scripted so we are keying players we need to on those plays. We have kids who play only specials and some who play scout team only.
It's the best we can do with what we have to b honest an extra 30 min wouldn't make a major difference for us. We are preparing our kids to play that means group 3 kids don't get much game time. So in turn they get lots of scout time. More coaches would = more kids on the field in practice.
To come out and say you can't get done what needs to get done in 2hrs is like saying u can't win with a certain offence. We have both agreed it's the how that matters not the what. Your what is 2.5 hr practice the how is the nuts and bolts of it
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