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Post by silkyice on Dec 11, 2012 22:44:29 GMT -6
Silky, Are you saying you guys don't watch film together as a staff at all? How well does this work and do you give them specific things they are to look for on film? Such as the Oline coach will watch film and give all the fronts and stunts for the Dline.. etc...? Is it easier to do it this way or to watch as a staff in your experience? I am going to second working smarter. Don't practice past 5:30 or 6. We only meet on Saturdays 9am to 10:15 with the players. Coaches watch film on Hudl. We will text/call each other. We will talk on Monday to make sure we are ready, but we don't start to finalize our gameplan until Tuesday. Get your entire family involved in any way you can. Of course this is difficult with a newborn. But right now, I have to be the luckiest man on this entire board. My wife is my AD assitant. Well, ok, she is really the AD in everything except the name  . My oldest son is on the team and my younger son and daughter are ball boy/girl. I am blessed. Saturday 9am to 10:15 we watch the previous game with the entire team and staff. We don't watch film together. I will put together a general cutup of the next team we play. My defensive coordinator will put in any cutups that he wants or that seems relevant. My DB coach will put together a pass cutup. Sometimes a coach will text/call or during the day get me to watch a particular play(s) or formation(s). But what we do the best is that we do what we do. We already have a plan for most everybody and most everything. We run a 4-3 cover 2. We can roll cover 3. We have some blitzes and line games that we run. We have a set goalline defense. We rep most conceivable routes, formations, plays, blocking schemes, options every week. Everything is installed. It doesn't change. Sure we might have to tweak something from week to week due to our personnel, their personnel, their scheme, a special play, or special formation. But our changes or tweaks are MINIMAL. We work on us. Same thing for our offense. We run the wing t and are ready for all fronts, blitzes, coverages, and more importantly techniques. We are ready for penetrators, readers, and slanters by game 1. We have two bread and butter plays - bucksweep and weak side belly. This is what we run. The other plays/formations are designed to take advantage of how you try and stop those two plays. I am lucky because I have a great staff that completely buys in to what we do and watches film on their own. We love just repping what we do and getting better at it. When someone hurts us with a play we almost never talk about a scheme to defeat it. We always look at our techniques and fundamentals as to why we didn't stop it. If the play worked and we aligned correctly, played blocks correctly, pursued well, and tackled well - then we will look at our scheme. Usually that just means that we need to roll to cover 3 to get an extra perimeter player or keep a LB in the box. That has happened about twice this year. |
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Post by realdawg on Dec 12, 2012 5:12:25 GMT -6
Saturday from about 9 or 10 till 3 or 4.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 12, 2012 6:16:58 GMT -6
We used to have a full staff meeting on Sundays. Now just the OL/DL coach, my DC, and I meet. The other coaches can come if they want. With Hudl we all have the video tagged and watched on Saturday. The DC and DB coach talk/text and get things figured out. The OL coach and I talk Sundays and we are good to go.
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Post by msalazar51 on Dec 12, 2012 6:46:00 GMT -6
We start at 0700, all staff and watch special teams for 20 - 30 mins. Then we split offense and defense till 0945. Varsity players come in and watch with coaches last nights film. At 1115 we take them out to stretch, JV comes in at 1130. JV released at 1230 and staff watches next opponent together till1400. We leave and do our homework on next opponent. Monday we watch film with players for approximately 1.5 hours.
We have to spend a fair amount of time teaching our kids how to watch film, because the don't watch the game on their own.
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Post by indian1 on Dec 12, 2012 7:28:12 GMT -6
Silky, you got it figured out. Great post
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Post by fballcoachg on Dec 12, 2012 10:04:28 GMT -6
Film on our own, HC and myself talk about offense on the phone or text, I am sure the defensive side does the same. Official coaches meeting at 2 on Sunday, try to keep it to 2/2.5 hours but we already have the films broke down on our own, it is mainly to talk personel, put to rest the previous game, and finalize practice plans and finalize the tentative gameplan. Also fill in the staff that isn't as involved and address/bring to table any issues or suggestions anyone has. The HC is great with trusting those that do work and giving them a legitimate say as well as trying to make sure we balance football with other things. Hudl and things like that have made film breakdown awesome and accesible so that it can be done more efficiently.
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Post by mrjvi on Dec 12, 2012 17:12:40 GMT -6
Silky,
Ours is almost identical. Keeps coaches and families happier and it doesn't diminish our effectiveness. Doubles do become extremely important as they set up everything for the season.
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Post by holmesbend on Dec 14, 2012 8:41:07 GMT -6
We used to have a full staff meeting on Sundays. Now just the OL/DL coach, my DC, and I meet. The other coaches can come if they want. With Hudl we all have the video tagged and watched on Saturday. The DC and DB coach talk/text and get things figured out. The OL coach and I talk Sundays and we are good to go. Bingo. Same here on everything, except I'm the HC and DC....OC and OL coach come in. Others can if they want. I made a general rule last year.....if you want to chime in, come Sunday evening. If not. Roll with the plan come Monday. We had/have a couple guys who in the past were notorious, "Well, you could do this", "You could do that" after EVERY. SINGLE. REP... blah, blah during the week after our gameplan(s) for the week were set. |
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Post by cqmiller on Dec 14, 2012 9:50:58 GMT -6
Friday Night
All film is put into HUDL, ODK, D&D, YL, Hash, & Playcalls are all input by my wife (god bless her)
Saturday Morning
7:00 AM - All coaches except the "scout film" guys meet to go over Friday game as a staff. Very quick, what are the major mistakes that need fixed NOW, and what are some things we need to do a better job emphasizing?
8:00 AM - All players show up for film
.....8:00 - 8:50 Varsity Defense and Soph Offense - Varsity players go with defensive position coaches to review all defensive snaps from friday night. Soph players go with offensive position coaches to review all offensive snaps from thursday afternoon.
.....9:00 - 9:50 Varsity Offense and Soph Defense - Same as above, but switched
.....10:00 - 10:30 - Special Teams - Varsity ST coaches with Varsity group, Soph ST coaches with Soph group.
10:30 - 11:00 - 1 mile jog and stretch. S&C Coach takes kids out to do 1 mile and a good long stretch with all the players to get the soreness out and get body temp up.
"Scout Film" guys are ODK, D&D, YL, Hash, Run/Pass/PAP/Trick data all morning until it is done
HC, OC, DC, & STC are responsible from Noon Saturday until the meeting Sunday to either input all the playcalls from scout film, or delegate it out as well as create gameplan and scouting report on opposing team. Position coaches are required to grade players over the weekend as well.
Sunday 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM = Staff meeting at my house
.....OC, DC, STC must be there to go over data and run through gameplan for the week. All practice periods for the week must be filled.
.....Position coaches are highly encouraged to attend meetings so they are very familiar with what the coordinator is wanting to do as well as learn the coordinator and HC stuff if they are looking to advance to that level in their careers.
I agree that a lot of it can be done over internet using HUDL these days, but the open exchange of ideas, philosophies, plans, quesitons, answers, etc... is what I believe develops coaches... not sitting in front of their computer inputing data as they watch college or NFL football. Doing everything over the internet removes that aspect of coaching which I feel is one of the most important aspects of it... the comraderie between the coaches on the staff that are the only ones besides the players in the stadium on Friday night who have put in effort to try and build a successful team. "US AGAINST THE WORLD"
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Post by stone65 on Dec 14, 2012 10:10:36 GMT -6
These are all good ideas. We would love to not meet as much on Sundays (1-7:30), but can't find a way to cut things out.
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 19, 2012 21:32:27 GMT -6
Saturday
6:30 to 9:30 grade previous game
9:30-11:30 workout, what film with kids
12:00-1:00 Lunch
1:00-6:00 Film of next Opp. Each coach has a things to break down
6:00-7:30 Meet as staff (off or def) discuss game plan
7:30-8:30 Whole staff personnel
Sunday
8:30-10:30 Film review as staff (off/def)
10:30-12:30 finish game plan
12:30-1:30 Lunch
1:30-3:30 Scouting report/board
3:30-6:30 Plan practices Mon-Wed, add new plays etc
Can be longer depending on number of scout films.
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Post by lochness on Dec 19, 2012 21:40:06 GMT -6
Silky, Are you saying you guys don't watch film together as a staff at all? How well does this work and do you give them specific things they are to look for on film? Such as the Oline coach will watch film and give all the fronts and stunts for the Dline.. etc...? Is it easier to do it this way or to watch as a staff in your experience? Saturday 9am to 10:15 we watch the previous game with the entire team and staff. We don't watch film together. I will put together a general cutup of the next team we play. My defensive coordinator will put in any cutups that he wants or that seems relevant. My DB coach will put together a pass cutup. Sometimes a coach will text/call or during the day get me to watch a particular play(s) or formation(s). But what we do the best is that we do what we do. We already have a plan for most everybody and most everything. We run a 4-3 cover 2. We can roll cover 3. We have some blitzes and line games that we run. We have a set goalline defense. We rep most conceivable routes, formations, plays, blocking schemes, options every week. Everything is installed. It doesn't change. Sure we might have to tweak something from week to week due to our personnel, their personnel, their scheme, a special play, or special formation. But our changes or tweaks are MINIMAL. We work on us. Same thing for our offense. We run the wing t and are ready for all fronts, blitzes, coverages, and more importantly techniques. We are ready for penetrators, readers, and slanters by game 1. We have two bread and butter plays - bucksweep and weak side belly. This is what we run. The other plays/formations are designed to take advantage of how you try and stop those two plays. I am lucky because I have a great staff that completely buys in to what we do and watches film on their own. We love just repping what we do and getting better at it. When someone hurts us with a play we almost never talk about a scheme to defeat it. We always look at our techniques and fundamentals as to why we didn't stop it. If the play worked and we aligned correctly, played blocks correctly, pursued well, and tackled well - then we will look at our scheme. Usually that just means that we need to roll to cover 3 to get an extra perimeter player or keep a LB in the box. That has happened about twice this year. That's fantastic. Simple, efficient, and highly effective... Not working ridiculous hours just to prove how hard of a worker you are. Work smart, not hard. |
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Post by silkyice on Dec 19, 2012 22:03:18 GMT -6
Saturday 6:30 to 9:30 grade previous game 9:30-11:30 workout, what film with kids 12:00-1:00 Lunch 1:00-6:00 Film of next Opp. Each coach has a things to break down 6:00-7:30 Meet as staff (off or def) discuss game plan 7:30-8:30 Whole staff personnel Sunday 8:30-10:30 Film review as staff (off/def) 10:30-12:30 finish game plan 12:30-1:30 Lunch 1:30-3:30 Scouting report/board 3:30-6:30 Plan practices Mon-Wed, add new plays etc Can be longer depending on number of scout films. I'd quit. There is no way that football is worth that. That is a 13 hour day on Saturday and 9 hour day on Sunday. If you include lunch it is 14 and 10. First, no way you guys are married or staying married. Second, no way you guys have kids. Third, how do you not burn out and have anything left to coach the kids with. Fourth, y'all have to be an irritable bunch at school, practice, and at home. Fifth, how does that help the players??? They are the ones who play. This is the part I just do not get. I bet y'all are still going to call your same dang defense and same dang offense. How many different ways can you block something or how many different calls can you have on 4th and 1 or 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 12? If y'all try and cram all that info down the players throats my guess is that they will be confused. Sixth, there is a law called the "law of diminishing returns." There is also something called being counter-productive. If I want to increase my squat, I might do 3 sets of squats once or twice a week and increase my max 50 pounds over the course of the year. If I do more, say 5 sets and three times a week, that might increase my max 55-60 pounds over the course of the year - but that is debatable. That is the law of diminishing returns. But if a do 10 sets of squats twice a day every day for a year, my squats will go down. That is being counter-productive. |
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 19, 2012 22:14:47 GMT -6
Saturday 6:30 to 9:30 grade previous game 9:30-11:30 workout, what film with kids 12:00-1:00 Lunch 1:00-6:00 Film of next Opp. Each coach has a things to break down 6:00-7:30 Meet as staff (off or def) discuss game plan 7:30-8:30 Whole staff personnel Sunday 8:30-10:30 Film review as staff (off/def) 10:30-12:30 finish game plan 12:30-1:30 Lunch 1:30-3:30 Scouting report/board 3:30-6:30 Plan practices Mon-Wed, add new plays etc Can be longer depending on number of scout films. I'd quit. There is no way that football is worth that. That is a 13 hour day on Saturday and 9 hour day on Sunday. If you include lunch it is 14 and 10. First, no way you guys are married or staying married. Second, no way you guys have kids. Third, how do you not burn out and have anything left to coach the kids with. Fourth, y'all have to be an irritable bunch at school, practice, and at home. Fifth, how does that help the players??? They are the ones who play. This is the part I just do not get. I bet y'all are still going to call your same dang defense and same dang offense. How many different ways can you block something or how many different calls can you have on 4th and 1 or 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 12? If y'all try and cram all that info down the players throats my guess is that they will be confused. Sixth, there is a law called the "law of diminishing returns." There is also something called being counter-productive. If I want to increase my squat, I might do 3 sets of squats once or twice a week and increase my max 50 pounds over the course of the year. If I do more, say 5 sets and three times a week, that might increase my max 55-60 pounds over the course of the year - but that is debatable. That is the law of diminishing returns. But if a do 10 sets of squats twice a day every day for a year, my squats will go down. That is being counter-productive. Well I am not the HC so not my call. On #1 Yes married and happily for 22 Years, she has been through it before so she understands. We make time for each other. #2 I have 3 every coach on staff has at least 2 #3 Burn out.....it is tough at times and when season ends it takes a lot of time to recover. #4 YES  #5 I can not answer this question sorry. #6 I agree This does not include the week. 5:00am till 8:00pm Monday Tuesday 5 to 7:30 Wed 5 to 6:30 ish Thur 7 till JV is gone home Fri 7:30 till kids are done and laundry started |
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 19, 2012 22:19:43 GMT -6
When I was a HC we worked 7:30 to around 6:00 Saturday
Sunday was only OC and DC and they came to my house after church. We "worked" about 3 hours or till when ever Cowboys game ended.
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Post by fantom on Dec 19, 2012 22:29:58 GMT -6
I'd quit. There is no way that football is worth that. That is a 13 hour day on Saturday and 9 hour day on Sunday. If you include lunch it is 14 and 10. First, no way you guys are married or staying married. Second, no way you guys have kids. Third, how do you not burn out and have anything left to coach the kids with. Fourth, y'all have to be an irritable bunch at school, practice, and at home. Fifth, how does that help the players??? They are the ones who play. This is the part I just do not get. I bet y'all are still going to call your same dang defense and same dang offense. How many different ways can you block something or how many different calls can you have on 4th and 1 or 3rd and 3 or 3rd and 12? If y'all try and cram all that info down the players throats my guess is that they will be confused. Sixth, there is a law called the "law of diminishing returns." There is also something called being counter-productive. If I want to increase my squat, I might do 3 sets of squats once or twice a week and increase my max 50 pounds over the course of the year. If I do more, say 5 sets and three times a week, that might increase my max 55-60 pounds over the course of the year - but that is debatable. That is the law of diminishing returns. But if a do 10 sets of squats twice a day every day for a year, my squats will go down. That is being counter-productive. Well I am not the HC so not my call. On #1 Yes married and happily for 22 Years, she has been through it before so she understands. We make time for each other. #2 I have 3 every coach on staff has at least 2 #3 Burn out.....it is tough at times and when season ends it takes a lot of time to recover. #4 YES #5 I can not answer this question sorry. #6 I agree This does not include the week. 5:00am till 8:00pm Monday Tuesday 5 to 7:30 Wed 5 to 6:30 ish Thur 7 till JV is gone home Fri 7:30 till kids are done and laundry started For HS football? Oh he11 no. |
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 19, 2012 22:31:07 GMT -6
Yes HS
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Post by fantom on Dec 19, 2012 22:31:23 GMT -6
Saturday 6:30 to 9:30 grade previous game 9:30-11:30 workout, what film with kids 12:00-1:00 Lunch 1:00-6:00 Film of next Opp. Each coach has a things to break down 6:00-7:30 Meet as staff (off or def) discuss game plan 7:30-8:30 Whole staff personnel Sunday 8:30-10:30 Film review as staff (off/def) 10:30-12:30 finish game plan 12:30-1:30 Lunch 1:30-3:30 Scouting report/board 3:30-6:30 Plan practices Mon-Wed, add new plays etc Can be longer depending on number of scout films. For HS football? He11 no again. |
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 19, 2012 22:36:14 GMT -6
Is what it is. In my 13 years coaching, I have had 4 seasons where we avg around 90+ hours a week when you add in teaching. As for when I was a HC, I know of 2 weeks where the work was 100+, one was a week where we had to win to get in and the other was a week in playoffs. On both I worked that, I did not require my staff.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 19, 2012 23:29:44 GMT -6
Is what it is. In my 13 years coaching, I have had 4 seasons where we avg around 90+ hours a week when you add in teaching. As for when I was a HC, I know of 2 weeks where the work was 100+, one was a week where we had to win to get in and the other was a week in playoffs. On both I worked that, I did not require my staff. Not trying to be jerk, but how successful have y'all been? The only that would justify that kind of work for football would be like 10 state titles and a couple of USA Today top 10 finishes. And what kind of salary? Surely the head coach is in the $120,000 plus range and assistants $80,000 for all that. I still wouldn't do it for that level of success or salary, but that at least makes me understand. |
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Post by coachbw on Dec 19, 2012 23:44:01 GMT -6
We really aren't super formal about how we do this. We have a list of things that we need to get done. This year I think we actually met as a group two times to game plan. The way that we handled it was to have a conversation after Friday nights game. We would start by talking about what everyone had going on over the weekend. When we found gaps that we were free (or the once of us that it pertained to were free) we would make phone calls, skype, etc. I spent many nights on the phone with my DC watching the same hudl cutups as him talking about how we wanted to align against a certain look. Now we were a small staff, and I am not sure if I would have been willing to take this approach a few years ago when I had 12 on my staff, but with just a handful of us, this seemed to work out really well.
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Post by sonofablltz on Dec 20, 2012 0:12:03 GMT -6
Im going to sound like a jerk but for once i just dont care. I dont think many high school coaches know how to break down a film. Silk explained it about as good as you can. If you watch it more than twice ur playin with yourself. We have went 78-7 here in alabama w two titles in four years. We meet on sunday at two. We go home around 530.
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Post by sonofablltz on Dec 20, 2012 0:18:30 GMT -6
One more thing while im at it. Football games are won in indy. Every scheme works if you have great fundamental teachers, coachable kids, and a little talent.
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 20, 2012 7:27:57 GMT -6
[.[/quote]
Not trying to be jerk, but how successful have y'all been? The only that would justify that kind of work for football would be like 10 state titles and a couple of USA Today top 10 finishes.
And what kind of salary? Surely the head coach is in the $120,000 plus range and assistants $80,000 for all that.
I still wouldn't do it for that level of success or salary, but that at least makes me understand.[/quote]
No where near that success nor that pay. But you have to understand not everyone does it the same. Where you guys are watching film for X hours, we may break down 4 to 6 game films. Is it over done some places YES.
In the 4 years where I was on a staff that worked 90+ we made playoffs 1 time, and 2 of the other teams went 3-7 and 1-9.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 20, 2012 8:08:17 GMT -6
Not trying to be jerk, but how successful have y'all been? The only that would justify that kind of work for football would be like 10 state titles and a couple of USA Today top 10 finishes. And what kind of salary? Surely the head coach is in the $120,000 plus range and assistants $80,000 for all that. I still wouldn't do it for that level of success or salary, but that at least makes me understand.[/quote] No where near that success nor that pay. But you have to understand not everyone does it the same. Where you guys are watching film for X hours, we may break down 4 to 6 game films. Is it over done some places YES. In the 4 years where I was on a staff that worked 90+ we made playoffs 1 time, and 2 of the other teams went 3-7 and 1-9. [/quote] Coach, LESS is MORE. Go home, enjoy life and your family. I bet your will have more success on the field. To get a horse to run fast you might have to whip it once, but if you keep beating the horse, it won't be a run at all. I think that is where y'all are. |
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Post by wingtol on Dec 20, 2012 8:34:52 GMT -6
Not trying to be jerk, but how successful have y'all been? The only that would justify that kind of work for football would be like 10 state titles and a couple of USA Today top 10 finishes. And what kind of salary? Surely the head coach is in the $120,000 plus range and assistants $80,000 for all that. I still wouldn't do it for that level of success or salary, but that at least makes me understand.[/quote] No where near that success nor that pay. But you have to understand not everyone does it the same. Where you guys are watching film for X hours, we may break down 4 to 6 game films. Is it over done some places YES. In the 4 years where I was on a staff that worked 90+ we made playoffs 1 time, and 2 of the other teams went 3-7 and 1-9. [/quote] I hope that HC isn't coaching any more. If he is he should be on trial for gross mismanagement of resources! Wow. Talk about diminishing returns for your time! |
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Post by larrymoe on Dec 20, 2012 9:11:36 GMT -6
I'm the HC- here's our schedule-
Friday night- I burn two DVDs of the game. One for us, one for opponents. If it's a home game we go to my house or an assistants to hang out, relax and eat. Very little football is ever discussed unless it's a funny story. We try to relax and have fun as much as possible.
Saturday-
8am- I meet opposing coaches to trade film
9am- Noon- We meet as a staff to watch our game and opponents and game plan. We burn films to whoever needs them and then we leave.
Monday-
We meet after school to show the kids stuff on our next opponents on the field, do some running and we're done in an hour. Then we watch our film from the previous week and then our upcoming opponents. Usually done in total in 2 hours because we have JV games to get to.
I do not bring the kids in over the weekend. I got this from a Hall of Fame guy in our state and it's one of the best adjustments I've ever made. If you win, kids will just watch themselves and not learn anything at 8am Saturday morning. If you lose, they will just watch themselves and not learn anything, but we'll probably try to make them feel miserable about it. The kids need time away from me and I need time away from them.
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Post by Luther Van Dam on Dec 20, 2012 14:20:55 GMT -6
Our schedule has been:
Saturday
9am-10:30 - meet as a staff to watch the previous night's game
11am-12pm - Players come in for stretch/light workout and recap of last night - we do not watch film with the players.
12pm-1:30 - Break down special teams film of upcoming opponent and full staff meeting to gameplan special teams
1:30- done (usually 4pm or 5pm) - film breakdown of upcoming opponent. Offensive and defensive staffs meet seperately. Gameplans and practice plans are finalized if time allows.
Sunday
Depending on Saturday's production, offensive or defensive staff may plan to meet to finalize gameplan or practive plans. Usually from 2pm-4pm, if needed.
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Post by coachvann on Dec 20, 2012 20:55:11 GMT -6
Btex I'm assuming you are in texas. I remember being there for 7 years and we put those hours in because it was expected by the community. You don't keep your job long if you get beat in tx so allot of guys work themselves out of the family.
I've been in FL now for four years and I brought that type of mentality. I lossed all coaches except for one and my wife and kids were getting frustrated. With technology we exchange film online, coaches grade at home online. They breakdown film any time on Sat. We meet by conference call on Sunday from 7-11.
On Monday coaches meet w position to go over what te kids watch and do one thing they need to get better on that week. Posifion coach checks database to see if his player watch film of Friday and next opponent.
Game plan is in place by Monday, scouting is complete, kids have watch and self assessed by Monday. By Tuesday kids have assessed who they are lining up across and reviewes with the coach
Bottom line is I keep my coaches, kids aren't burned out, I see my son play on Saturday and my wife is happy
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Post by btex0127 on Dec 20, 2012 23:09:20 GMT -6
Yes Texas. I tried to get on in Florida, I have a lot of family there but no luck.
There are times you beat yourself to death. As a HC my assistant coaches only had to ask when they needed to go do something (watch their own kids etc). I have worked for others where it is always a no. Even had a guy when I asked if I could get off at 7:00pm Saturday and come in early Sunday for my anniversary I was told no. It the nature of the game here and yes people do check up at field house to see if your there.
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. My oldest son is on the team and my younger son and daughter are ball boy/girl. I am blessed.
