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Post by mattyg2787 on Sept 26, 2012 19:30:14 GMT -6
So, this is out of curiosity, but if you had a female student approach you wanting to play football would you let her have a run the same as the boys? And would you let her try for any position (so if she was 6'6" and 300lbs, would you let her try at o line/d line?)
I'd like to hear coaches reasons why as well.
Cheers
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Post by wybulldogs on Sept 26, 2012 19:41:36 GMT -6
In my 8 years coaching, this is the first year I've ran into this. She is on my 7th grade team and plays RB and CB. She can run all day, is tough, and has never complained. Worked her butt off all summer during our morning workouts.
Other than forgetting to unlock the girls locker room early in the season, I have not run into any problems.
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 26, 2012 20:19:25 GMT -6
Had it as a player and as a coach, loved it both times. When I was a coach she hit like a man, broke three of my guys in a single practice. Also had a really great receiver. Good for the team, keeps the boys in line a bit.
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Post by 19delta on Sept 26, 2012 21:28:24 GMT -6
I have never seen a girl who could physically compete with boys on a high school football team. I have read articles about girls like Holly Mangold and a few other girls who could play with the boys, but, aside from a kicker, I have never personally witnessed a girl who could consistently play high school varsity football with boys.
But, as a youth coach (5th-8th grade), I have had some female players who were very good. Often, at that age, some of the girls are actually more physically mature than a lot of the boys.
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Post by kyle on Sept 27, 2012 7:22:02 GMT -6
I've had 3 at the youth level. They're always great to have because you know they want to be there.
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 27, 2012 7:25:11 GMT -6
At the HS level, their biggest advantage would be mental maturity, they can set a really good example of how to behave, and since no guy wants to get the word going that he's a barbarian, the boys tend to stay in line a little better. That's how they can have a big contribution to the team even if they never see the field.
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Post by cqmiller on Sept 27, 2012 7:59:55 GMT -6
Next year the starting goalie for the girls soccer team will probably end up being our varsity kicker for PAT's & FG's...
I'll see how it works out!
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Post by John Knight on Sept 27, 2012 8:15:51 GMT -6
It is the boys of fall.
Girls are cheerbops, IMHO!
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Post by paulfrantz on Sept 27, 2012 9:13:22 GMT -6
I've never had it happen to me yet, so I'm not sure how I'd handle it. On one hand we are supposed to put the best team on the field, but there are other issues to worry about. Team chemistry, the psyche of a young male that gets bounced arund by a female, other teams who have players that may target her. There's a lot to consider.
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Post by gdoggwr on Sept 27, 2012 9:19:37 GMT -6
If she wants to play, fine, but she would have the same expectations as anyone else. We've never had it happen here. One girl said she wanted to and made it through about two weeks of summer workouts and changed her mind.
Honestly, if one of my players gets bounced around by a girl the last thing I'm worried about is his psyche...
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Post by wybulldogs on Sept 27, 2012 9:29:13 GMT -6
If she wants to play, fine, but she would have the same expectations as anyone else. We've never had it happen here. One girl said she wanted to and made it through about two weeks of summer workouts and changed her mind. Honestly, if one of my players gets bounced around by a girl the last thing I'm worried about is his psyche... Exactly. I had coached her older brothers in prior years, so I already knew the family. I had a talk with the mother and the young lady before summer workouts began. She would be held to the same expectations that her teammates were held to. She works hard, is a good student. I can't ask for much more.
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Post by mholst40 on Sept 27, 2012 10:38:59 GMT -6
We had a girl come out two springs ago. She started by coming to morning lifting. The first day we went out on the field and conditioned, she didn't want anything to do with football anymore.
On the flip side, we have a girl on the team this year. She is our place kicker. She doesn't have a big leg, but she is nails on extra points. She is 28-of-29 through five games and her only miss was a block on her very first attempt (because she approached slowly). She is a welcome addition, the boys enjoy having her and treat her with respect. She has drawn a lot of media attention in our area and has tied our school record twice for most PATs in a game. She is not what I would consider a full-fledged member of the team though. She only comes out for 30 min. to one hour during every practice and still plays competitive soccer during football season. She has been our most consistent kicker we have ever had.
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Post by wvcoach on Sept 27, 2012 12:01:36 GMT -6
In the four years that I've been coaching (three as OC, one as HC), we have had a girl on the team all but once. We hold them just as accountable and responsible as the boys - no leniency. And they're not that bad. The girl we currently have has problems getting her motor running, but she is an unstoppable nose guard when she wants to be.
Yes, I said nose.
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Post by bluecrazy on Sept 27, 2012 17:09:56 GMT -6
Over the years I've had 3 play. One was good kicker and that is all she did. Two years ago I had a female play offensive line, and she kicked some ass while the boys sat on the side with boo boos. This year we have a 7th grade girl playing offensive line at our Jr high level. I like her a lot, but probably Jr high is all she will play.
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Post by jlt on Sept 28, 2012 5:03:38 GMT -6
We have had a couple of girls play for us. The first just warmed the bench and was happy to be there. SHe got special teams play.
The second (last season) was a bit of a firecracker and about 230 lbs so she had a go at DL. Did her job quite well against the poorer teams. Linemen about the same size as her but inferior technique. Against the better teams she would only have a couple of reps as she had no chance.
She enjoyed it and now wants to coach!
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Post by John Knight on Sept 28, 2012 12:48:16 GMT -6
I have always thought it was unfair at our school because we won't let the boys play volleyball but the girls can play football. How is that equal?
Of course if you had a whole team of boys you could probably win the state girls volleyball championships, since some schools do have boys volleybal. It is just silly to let girls play boys sports and vice versa in my opinion.
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 28, 2012 19:23:23 GMT -6
You sound a little insecure.
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Post by fballcoachg on Sept 29, 2012 8:39:55 GMT -6
Like you said though john, there is boys volleyball in Ohio there is not girls football so there is no other option for them. It's such a rare occurence that it really isn't a big deal at all, we had a 9th grader my first year here that was a Nose, played the year as a backup, no issues from her or our team, set the standard from the top and the boys will follow. Seems to be a bigger issue with some coaches than it ever is with the players.
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Post by coachmoore42 on Sept 29, 2012 13:13:25 GMT -6
Seems to be a bigger issue with some coaches than it ever is with the players. You nailed that one Coach. It's all adults involved, parents too, that determine how it goes. Kids act how they're shown to act, fortunately and unfortunately.
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 29, 2012 14:17:21 GMT -6
And they perform up or down to expectations. Sort of an aside, but treat them like toddlers and they'll act like it. Expect them to behave like young adults and they will.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 29, 2012 22:40:40 GMT -6
What the hell does that mean, cc?
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 30, 2012 14:27:34 GMT -6
Which one, that you sound insecure or that kids perform to expectations?
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Post by John Knight on Sept 30, 2012 15:46:02 GMT -6
meant to paste it, why do you think I am insecure?
because I don't think girls should get more opportunities than boys?
How is that about me?
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 30, 2012 16:05:19 GMT -6
While I see the principle to your argument, it smacks a bit of a bad American stereotype. I would be more inclined to agree with you if girl's football existed. Why would anyone be turning a player away? Are we not past this? I promise you, if the reincarnation of Flo-Jo shows up one day, we are gonna throw bubble to her all night. And I was also yanking your chain to an extent.
A little levity: The girl's flag team had a game last Tuesday, so we had to practice across the street. No big deal. As we're leaving the girls are coming out of the changeroom, all wearing what one coach would later term "Spandex micro-undies." One coach says "thank God we're not practicing on the sidelines (our field has huge sidelines you can practice on) 'cuz the guys wouldn't be focussing on much else." Another coach jumps in "yeah, and I'd be going to jail."
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Post by John Knight on Sept 30, 2012 16:11:37 GMT -6
Look, our school, has no boys volleyball available. Why should girls be allowed to play volleyball or football in the fall when the boys don't have the same opportunity?
Girls and boys play soccer, on the same team and there is girls and boys cross country, either can play golf and can be cheerleaders. So if Volleyball is girls only, then football should be boys only. That has nothing to do with Stereotypes.
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 30, 2012 16:19:08 GMT -6
Does your district have boys volleyball? It's universal here to have boys volleyball here. I would then agree that if boys volleyball is not available in your area, not just at your school, then yes, it should be co-ed. This is odd to me, since everyone here has boys and girls soccer, cross-country and golf are separate (same coach, practice as a unit, compete at the same time and place but placed distinctly) And technically, I don't think cheerleading is considered a sport.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 30, 2012 16:23:17 GMT -6
Cheering is considered a sport here (sort of) and no, there aren't any teams in our area with boys volleyball.
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Post by carookie on Sept 30, 2012 20:40:41 GMT -6
I know this isnt what the post was originally intended to be, but the way it was turned I felt it pertinent to bring this up:
Last year all the football coaches met with our AD, apparently there was going to be a big push by some big name lawyers in the name of Title IX (our district is fairly large, and was going to be one of the few nation wide where they were going to make a stand). There issue was going to be that schools needed to have equal, or near equal, participation numbers for boys and girls athletics. Mind you, this isn't equal opportunities but equal outcome (total numbers) of participants; and PS neither cheer or dance count as a sport. Now virtually all sports have boys/girls equals here (just added boys volleyball), except for wrestling and football (which are technically open to either). We were told that this was something that was "gonna happen and there was no use fighting it". The amount of girl participant in sports is going to have to be roughly equal to boys, once again not counting cheer or dance.
We were told that unless we came up with a way to even out the numbers throughout the school and district (I suggested girl's flag football) we would start having to cut our numbers we were at about 160 total in the program.
Now I don't know if this is going to be as big as he made it out to be; but if so I think unless girls football is offered specifically (which I would encourage) we should be willing to accept all players regardless of gender
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Post by Chris Clement on Sept 30, 2012 20:45:11 GMT -6
Title IX is about opportunity, not total numbers. I don't think that will come to pass.
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Post by mattyg2787 on Sept 30, 2012 21:19:43 GMT -6
Look, our school, has no boys volleyball available. Why should girls be allowed to play volleyball or football in the fall when the boys don't have the same opportunity? Girls and boys play soccer, on the same team and there is girls and boys cross country, either can play golf and can be cheerleaders. So if Volleyball is girls only, then football should be boys only. That has nothing to do with Stereotypes. This point ill agree with. If girls wanna play football, guys should be able to play volleyball if thats what they want. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using proboards
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