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Post by emptybackfield on May 15, 2012 11:02:08 GMT -6
How do you guys handle players that are caught stealing? Are they done? Does it depend on the severity? Unfortunately, we're having some issues with this, both internally and outside of the team.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 15, 2012 11:39:01 GMT -6
You mean they're stealing from teammates as well as stealing from other people? The severity matters, but not as much as the principle. Are the police involved?
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Post by coachmorgan on May 15, 2012 12:17:17 GMT -6
I consider it tough love.....they are off the team, but can return the following year. They aren't any different from your children at home. you love them....you are tough on them...but you don't throw them away. We had two players that stole a players credit card to eat lunch and then returned it.....they were dismissed from the team...but we loved them up all year long trying to look out for them and hope they learned from their mistakes. They did.....one of them is headed to the military and the other is going to play in college. the one that is heading to play in college was voted our school's "turn around student of the year"......whatever you do...don't throw them out like trash
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Post by gridironj on May 15, 2012 12:26:25 GMT -6
I agree with Coach Morgan. Stealing from your football family can not be allowed (or anyone else). It will ultimately cause internal problems. They have to be kept to higher standards in my opinion because they are representing the school and your program. All of us have been burned by giving a kid a second chance but this does not mean we can not continue to give them guidance and support after they have earned to be removed from the team. If a kid is genuinely remorseful it will show. Most will play ball for four years if they are lucky, but they will be men and fathers for the rest of their lives.
Coach J
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Post by TMGPG on May 15, 2012 12:27:10 GMT -6
If someone steals from another player they are gone. PERIOD.
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Post by coachdubyah on May 15, 2012 12:31:46 GMT -6
If you can't trust your teammates, who can you trust? Zero Tolerance, End of discussion.
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Post by mrjvi on May 15, 2012 12:53:36 GMT -6
1st time, lose 25% of the season or some of the next one if it happened later. You have mandatory counseling. If it happens again you are done for the year.
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Post by coachplaa on May 15, 2012 12:58:36 GMT -6
Agree with a couple of posts. If anyone is caught stealing from another member of the team, they are off the team. No second chance or warning. But the team has to know that up-front. At the same time, a kid cannot say to me "someone stole my cell phone" unless they have looked everywhere for it. I would say most of the time a kid thinks they had something stole from them, it turns up in their backpack, car, or they thought they had it and it was at home. Accusations can cause as much of a disruption to team chemistry as the real thing. Stealing off-campus is where the grey area is for me. I would say boot them, but is that really helping the kid? Maybe it is. But I'd be more likely to take a look at the kid and make an individual decision on the situation.
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Post by power4545 on May 15, 2012 17:52:30 GMT -6
back when I was in high school we had a very stiff policy regarding stealing from a teammates locker and the coach really made sure we knew this rule when we joined the team. If we are caught stealing from a teammates locker, we are off the team for good and are not allowed in the locker room for the rest of our high school career. It really hit home about trusting your teammates. In my four years we never had a problem that I heard of.
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Post by mark823 on May 15, 2012 18:16:39 GMT -6
If it’s verified it’s permanent.
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Post by rsmith627 on May 15, 2012 18:17:33 GMT -6
If anybody is caught stealing, I make sure I get at least half of the loot.
Seriously though, we booted them from the team for that season, and they got 1 last chance the following year.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 16, 2012 5:51:56 GMT -6
What's the big deal? If I didn't steal I wouldn't know jack doodlely squat about football.
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Post by blb on May 16, 2012 6:25:41 GMT -6
Must admit it's never been a problem to where I thought about having a policy.
At initial Team Meeting we do tell kids not to bring valuables to locker room, have a combination lock on your locker, and keep it locked at all times - prevention being the best cure.
Generally speaking I'm not in favor of getting rid of kids for their first transgression.
Should an incident occur and responsible party identified we would report it to school administration. Policy would dictate a multi-day suspension which would result in missed practice time and thus missed playing time.
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Post by emptybackfield on May 16, 2012 6:26:32 GMT -6
Thanks for the information. We had a situation yesterday where it ended up being a false alarm. The kid that got his Ipod stolen reported the wrong last name to the principal.
But yes, we've had a couple instances where we've had "inside jobs" in the locker room.
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Post by blb on May 16, 2012 6:27:00 GMT -6
What's the big deal? If I didn't steal I wouldn't know jack doodlely squat about football. If you get it from one person, it's stealing. If you get it from two, it's "research."
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Post by crock1615 on May 16, 2012 12:30:48 GMT -6
at the school where i have been an assistant coach for the last several years Most of the kids on the team are from low income families (not sure how relevant that is), but we have always had problems with people having things (cash, cell phones, etc.) missing from their lockers after practice or games. The thing is, the kids refuse to "snitch" and coaches rarely would catch someone red handed. Anyway, it got to the point where we just had to lock up any valuables in the coaches office to try to prevent it.
There was one year that players were having things stolen while we were at away games. Some players were having items stolen from their cars. The thief would break in the locker room, get their keys, steal from the cars, then put the keys back. after this happened a couple of weeks in a row, we had a police officer hide in a classroom and watch our locker room while we were on the road. Sure enough the thief came back and was arrested. It was the star running back from the middle school team. Needless to say he never played for the varsity team, and is currently in state custody.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 16, 2012 12:44:25 GMT -6
This begs the question; where, exactly, did he hide?
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Post by hollyhood27 on May 16, 2012 13:32:53 GMT -6
In a related story. (but not really) This past season at one of the local high schools, there was a huge theft.
The away team had to make a 4 hour trip for a playoff game. They used the gym as their locker room, well they ended up losing the game and came back to change and load the bus and someone had robbed the whole team.
They ended up catching the guys later that night and got back about 90%of the items but they didn't get back on the road till 4 am.
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Post by crock1615 on May 16, 2012 15:09:31 GMT -6
This begs the question; where, exactly, did he hide? School building was across parking lot from field house. He just sat in a room watching out the window. Kid showed up about ten minutes after buses left for the game. Cop waited for him to break in and was waiting at the door when he came out.
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Post by carookie on May 16, 2012 15:30:50 GMT -6
First off kid is off the team (unless his mommy cries to admin and they force our hand....but I digress)
Secondly, make sure you chew out the kid who gets his stuff stolen. Was coaching forsh a few years back, and the frosh team room had a swinging door to the regular locker room; so any kid could get in there. Well we had a rash of thefts, parents upset, etc. The thing is they all have locks and lockers, how are things getting stolen? Come to find out, half the kids are just leaving stuff laying around, lockers unlocked. I walked through once during a practice and came across over $400 in cash unlocked.
Point is, lock up your stuff and it shouldnt get stolen
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Post by zeroand24 on May 17, 2012 7:13:10 GMT -6
I tell the kids at the beginning of the season that if a person is caught stealing from another teammate that i will assemble the team in the locker room and we will have a discussion about the mistake that particular person made and then I will lock the door and leave so that his team mates and further discuss the issue with him. We call this a player guided intervention. Only had to do this once. Haven't had an issue since.
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Post by z on May 17, 2012 7:32:41 GMT -6
If you have a theif on your team, you have a problem! If a kid needs something, and it is within my realm to get it for him, I will. Don't steal! You caught stealing, you have to go!
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Post by z on May 17, 2012 7:33:29 GMT -6
Thief (forgot to check my spelling rules)
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Post by Chris Clement on May 17, 2012 7:33:31 GMT -6
First off kid is off the team (unless his mommy cries to admin and they force our hand....but I digress) Secondly, make sure you chew out the kid who gets his stuff stolen. Was coaching forsh a few years back, and the frosh team room had a swinging door to the regular locker room; so any kid could get in there. Well we had a rash of thefts, parents upset, etc. The thing is they all have locks and lockers, how are things getting stolen? Come to find out, half the kids are just leaving stuff laying around, lockers unlocked. I walked through once during a practice and came across over $400 in cash unlocked. Point is, lock up your stuff and it shouldnt get stolen I was going to ask who carries $400 in cash as school, but I figured I'd be better off not knowing.
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Post by coachbdud on May 17, 2012 7:59:43 GMT -6
If they stole from teammates theyre done
if the tried taking something from the mall i probably wouldnt kick them off
I hate internal theft more than anything, we have a big problem with it at our school with a locker room that has athletes from every sport going in and out all day after school.... the doors get left open and anyone in the world can go in there and if you know how to pop a lock you can get whatever you want... probably my least favorite part of coaching when a kid comes up to you about to cry because his phone or ipod or something is gone
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Post by carookie on May 17, 2012 8:25:07 GMT -6
First off kid is off the team (unless his mommy cries to admin and they force our hand....but I digress) Secondly, make sure you chew out the kid who gets his stuff stolen. Was coaching forsh a few years back, and the frosh team room had a swinging door to the regular locker room; so any kid could get in there. Well we had a rash of thefts, parents upset, etc. The thing is they all have locks and lockers, how are things getting stolen? Come to find out, half the kids are just leaving stuff laying around, lockers unlocked. I walked through once during a practice and came across over $400 in cash unlocked. Point is, lock up your stuff and it shouldnt get stolen I was going to ask who carries $400 in cash as school, but I figured I'd be better off not knowing. Not one kid, just an aggregate (all freshman mind you). This doesn't include the 20+ IPods and Cellphones, countless shoes, etc. But Like I wrote earlier I don't see how kids get stuff stolen if they lock it up
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Post by coache67 on May 17, 2012 11:26:22 GMT -6
This is the only thing that will get you removed from our team immediately, and with no second chances.
I recently had to confront one of our basketball coaches about taking t shirts out of my locker and wearing them. Guess I thought it had to do something with professional courtesy and not having to lock your locker with your colleagues but I was wrong.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 17, 2012 11:31:19 GMT -6
I thought that had something to do with being a grown man and wearing your own clothes or something. I guess I should be glad that nobody on my staff fits into my clothes.
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Post by airman on May 17, 2012 17:41:56 GMT -6
What I'd like to do is make sure the rest of the team knows and then be late to the locker room. However...since that would probably not go over too good with the newer generation, I just kick them off and I tell the principal. Hoping for a USMC blanket party of the offender are we? The best way to blanket someone is have four hold the blanket, put your bar of soap in a towel, wrap it up and then you swing it like a hammer on the offender.
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Post by Chris Clement on May 18, 2012 17:25:11 GMT -6
Combat boot in a laundry bag is much, much better.
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