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Post by teachcoachwm on May 13, 2012 12:40:20 GMT -6
...in your state? I am trying to do some research by finding out information on the top small school programs. Who in your state are the perenial contenders year in and year out? By small I am aiming for 700 or less students. Thanks for the feedback.
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Post by syphrit7 on May 13, 2012 13:37:02 GMT -6
Delphos St. John's in Delphos, OH. Won the state title in Division 6 in 2010 77-7. A bunch of great small schools in Northwest Ohio.
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Post by blb on May 13, 2012 13:39:17 GMT -6
Over half the HS in our state have enrollment under 700 so that may be too broad a sample size.
Mendon (2012 enrollment = 216) has won 11 state Football championships. That's who I think of for "small school Football."
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Post by 19delta on May 13, 2012 14:38:59 GMT -6
In Illinois, that range would be roughly 1a-4a.
These are the top teams in the state in those classes over the last few years that have won a state title or were a runner-up:
Dakota
Tuscola
Galena
Lexington
Morrison
Casey-Westfield
Stillman Valley
Tolono (Unity)
Rochester
Lena-Winslow
Maroa-Forsyth
Carthage (Illini West)
Rochester
Incidentally, Tuscola has appeared in the title game 5 of the last 6 years or something like that and won a 1a state championship in 2006.
We also have a couple private schools that have won several state titles in those classes:
Aurora Christian (coached by Don Beebe)
Lombard (Montini)
Rock Island (Alleman)
Sterling (Newman Central Catholic)
Elmhurst (Immaculate Conception)
Freeport (Aquin)
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Post by 19delta on May 13, 2012 14:40:38 GMT -6
Over half the HS in our state have enrollment under 700 so that may be too broad a sample size. Mendon (2012 enrollment = 216) has won 11 state Football championships. That's who I think of for "small school Football." Probably true of most states would be my guess. In Illinois, for example, our top two classes are 7a and 8a. Pretty much every team that plays in those classes is within 30 miles or so of Chicago. The rest of the state, 1a-6a, is pretty rural and the schools are small. |
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Post by coachdjenkins on May 13, 2012 14:49:00 GMT -6
Louisiana...
Elite regardless of size - west monroe (over 700), John Curtis, Evangel
Large Schools - Neville, Acadiana, (over 700)
Small Schools - Notre Dame, Parkview Baptist, St. Charles catholic (pretty serious last 8 years)
I am sure a few others can make claims.
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Post by coachd5085 on May 13, 2012 15:02:58 GMT -6
Louisiana... Elite regardless of size - west monroe (over 700), John Curtis, Evangel Large Schools - Neville, Acadiana, (over 700) Small Schools - Notre Dame, Parkview Baptist, St. Charles catholic (pretty serious last 8 years) I am sure a few others can make claims. And to just be accurate for those outside the state, John Curtis and Evangel fall in the "small school" category, each having around 300 students or so and playing in the 2nd smallest classification (2A, with 5A being the largest) Louisiana would mirror what most other coaches posted here in that the majority of schools would be considered "small schools" using 700 students as a criteria. |
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Post by wingtol on May 13, 2012 15:04:07 GMT -6
Small school in PA (A) is 185 boys and under 9-11. 700 would put you in the biggest class AAAA. The single A has been dominated by Clariton and Southern Columbia the last decade. Pretty sure they have won all the titles in the last 8-9 years. Lots of really good programs in A PA football.
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Post by fantom on May 13, 2012 15:05:52 GMT -6
Small school in PA (A) is 185 boys and under 9-11. 700 would put you in the biggest class AAAA. The single A has been dominated by Clariton and Southern Columbia the last decade. Pretty sure they have won all the titles in the last 8-9 years. Lots of really good programs in A PA football. That's 700 students not 700 boys. |
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Post by mrjvi on May 13, 2012 15:19:25 GMT -6
Cambridge HS in NY has got to be on the list.
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Post by bluecrazy on May 13, 2012 17:44:14 GMT -6
Over half the HS in our state have enrollment under 700 so that may be too broad a sample size. Mendon (2012 enrollment = 216) has won 11 state Football championships. That's who I think of for "small school Football."[/quote Totally agree. I think every young man in that school system plays football. But they run the same at 3rd grade rocket, that they run as a senior on varsity. Great program! |
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Post by coachrobpsl on May 13, 2012 19:10:24 GMT -6
3 that came to mind immediately in Florida are Belle Glades, Pahokee and American Heritage. The list of NFL and big time college players that have come out of Pahokee and Belle Glade is crazy.
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Post by redbug on May 13, 2012 20:06:19 GMT -6
Arkansas
Junction city- right on the Louisiana border supposedly kids from Louisiana side don't like their school and cross the border to play for junction
Rison- 3a school who is a perennial power
Nashville- 4a school recently 3peated state champions
Warren- 4a school have turned out several d1 athletes wright, Childs, and gragg who playe for Arkansas all went tothis school
Barton- I think they won 6 state championships in a row they fell off for a few years when their coach retired but went back to championship this year
All of these schools have less than 500 students 10-12
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Post by qbguru on May 13, 2012 20:46:21 GMT -6
here in MI I think of Mendon too.
but I also think of Ithaca. small town just south of Mt. Pleasant. had a chance to go up and visit with Coach Hessbrook and his staff this off-season. great bunch of guys and great program.
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Post by coachdawhip on May 13, 2012 21:06:28 GMT -6
Charlton County, GA
Home of the Bailey boys.....
and #1 Buford High School....
only like 5 out 6 in State championships and d1 players for days most big schools wont play them.
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Post by davishfc on May 13, 2012 22:12:06 GMT -6
Over half the HS in our state have enrollment under 700 so that may be too broad a sample size. Mendon (2012 enrollment = 216) has won 11 state Football championships. That's who I think of for "small school Football." Obviously not anywhere near as many state championships as Mendon but Crystal Falls Forest Park has been in the finals several times in the smallest classification in Michigan (13 appearances, 3 championships). I don't like bringing up private schools because I just have a great appreciation for kids growing up together and competing all of their lives through their years in varsity football. But Traverse City St. Francis and Muskegon Catholic Central should be in this conversation as well probably. But I do agree with you about Mendon. They don't even have the state championships listed on the "village limit" sign. When you're that good, you don't have to tell anybody...they already know. |
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Post by raivik on May 14, 2012 0:00:53 GMT -6
Florida- Jacksonville Bolles, American Heritage Delray, Pahoakee , Glades Day and Glades Central
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Post by moon on May 14, 2012 0:38:36 GMT -6
WA:
Cascade Christian
Cashmere HS
Prosser HS
Lynden HS
Connell HS
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Post by realdawg on May 14, 2012 4:11:24 GMT -6
In NC I think about Murphy, Swain County! Albemarle, SW Onslow as the premier small schools
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Post by mrucoach on May 14, 2012 6:27:00 GMT -6
In Vermont the best small school (300-500 students) are:
Windsor HS
Woodstock HS.
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Post by coachbrek on May 14, 2012 6:30:38 GMT -6
In North Dakota 700 students puts you in the largest classification.
A town that I admire and would not consider small with 119 high school enrolment is Napoleon high school, they are defending state champs they have won 3 in school history and a couple runner ups but they are tough year in and year out they are physical and are perennial playoff contenders.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 14, 2012 6:51:16 GMT -6
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Post by coachwoodall on May 14, 2012 7:05:57 GMT -6
All schools in SC for alignment purposes. Not all have a football team.
1
Wando 3493
2
Dorman 3194
3
Lexington 2841
4
Summerville 2762
5
Sumter 2324
6
Byrnes 2255
7
Boiling Springs 2238
8
Fort Dorchester 2225
9
Hillcrest 2127
10
Mauldin 2115
11
West Ashley 2086
12
Blythewood 2073
13
Spring Valley 2051
14
Gaffney 2041
15
Dutch Fork 2031
16
Ridge View 1995
17
Spartanburg 1952
18
Rock Hill 1922
19
Irmo 1915
20
Carolina Forest 1912
21
White Knoll 1903
22
Clover 1865
23
Stratford 1835
24
Ashley Ridge 1829
25
T L Hanna 1759
26
Northwestern 1718
27
West Florence 1694
28
Westside 1669
29
Woodmont 1634
30
Goose Creek 1633
31
J L Mann 1633
32
Colleton County 1607
33
Beaufort 1598
34
Riverside 1597
35
Greenwood 1583
36
North Augusta 1578
37
South Florence 1570
38
Easley 1567
39
Wade Hampton 1552
40
Conway 1550
41
Lugoff-Elgin 1540
42
South Aiken 1515
43
Lancaster 1511
44
Ft Mill 1509
45
Nation Ford 1481
46
Bluffton 1479
47
Laurens 1475
48
South Pointe 1449
49
Cane Bay 1443
50
Aiken 1441
51
York 1440
52
Richland Northeast 1440
53
James Island Charter 1426
54
Socastee 1421
55
Pickens 1420
56
Greenville 1420
57
Hartsville 1404
58
Orangeburg- Wilkinson 1376
59
Darlington 1376
60
St James 1367
61
Wren 1358
62
Airport 1353
63
Lower Richland 1323
64
Chapin 1302
65
Berkeley 1281
66
North Myrtle Beach 1273
67
Wilson 1262
68
A C Flora 1259
69
Eastside 1250
70
Union County 1242
71
Travelers Rest 1240
72
Marlboro County 1219
73
Myrtle Beach 1216
74
Richland 2 School 1200
75
Crestwood 1197
76
Dreher 1181
77
Midland Valley 1178
78
Hilton Head 1174
79
Blue Ridge 1154
80
Lakewood 1146
81
Greer 1142
82
Brookland-Cayce 1130
83
Berea 1048
84
Belton Honea Path 1039
85
D W Daniel 1001
86
Walhalla 993
87
Georgetown 985
88
West-Oak 975
89
Camden 966
90
R B Stall 965
91
Seneca 962
92
Chapman 941
93
Hanahan 933
94
Southside 926
95
Swansea 922
96
Emerald 912
97
Chester 909
98
Palmetto 904
99
Gilbert 902
100
Clinton 893
101
Broome 889
102
Strom Thurmond 865
103
Manning 862
104
Woodruff 861
105
Fairfield-Central 857
106
Lake Marion 850
107
Lake City 846
108
Dillon 845
109
Pendleton 834
110
Loris 828
111
Battery Creek 822
112
Marion 803
113
Waccamaw 796
114
Timberland 769
115
Cheraw 766
116
Edisto 748
117
Keenan 747
118
Kingstree 745
119
Eau Claire 732
120
Garrett Academy 728
121
Newberry 724
122
Mid-Carolina 721
123
Columbia 720
124
Wade Hampton 718
125
Bishop England 712
126
Pelion 711
127
Carolina 702
128
Aynor 698
129
Silver Bluff 690
130
Crescent 685
131
Barnwell 673
132
Central 668
133
Indian Land 655
134
Liberty 655
135
Woodland 649
136
Chesnee 635
137
Lee Central 633
138
North Charleston 623
139
Andrew Jackson 615
140
Andrews 608
141
Academic Magnet 607
142
Saluda 598
143
Buford 567
144
Chesterfield 563
145
Batesburg-Leesville 552
146
Mullins 552
147
Landrum 549
148
Ridgeland 548
149
Blacksburg 546
150
Abbeville 535
151
Powdersville 500
152
North Central 484
153
Burke 481
154
Bamberg-Ehrhardt 466
155
Ninety-Six 457
156
Calhoun County 456
157
Latta 447
158
Johnsonville 439
159
C A Johnson 438
160
Allendale Fairfax 428
161
Carvers Bay 422
162
Greenville Tech Charter 418
163
Brashier Middle Charter 399
164
Whale Branch Early College 396
165
Lewisville 386
166
Hemingway 386
167
Green Sea-Floyds 353
168
Estill 341
169
St Joseph's 339
170
Christ Church 328
171
Hannah-Pamplico 323
172
St Johns 322
173
Fox Creek 321
174
East Clarendon 320
175
Williston-Elko 318
176
Baptist Hill 318
177
Southside Christian 312
178
C E Murray 308
179
Ware Shoals 305
180
Lamar 304
181
Dixie 302
182
Wagener-Salley 299
183
Lake View 296
184
McBee 293
185
Hardeeville 292
186
Great Falls 289
187
Greer Middle College Chart 285
188
Ridge Spring-Monetta 266
189
McCormick 260
190
Military Magnet Academy 259
191
Scott's Branch 250
192
Blackville-Hilda 243
193
Timmonsville 237
194
Denmark-Olar 235
195
Creek Bridge 217
196
Branchville 200
197
Hunter-Kinard-Tyler 192
198
Cross 192
199
Bethune-Bowman 189
200
Calhoun Falls Charter 182
201
Charleston Charter Math/Scien 165***
202
North 161
203
Tamassee-Salem 139***
204
Whitmire 135
205
SC School for Deaf and Blind 135 (does not participate in the SCHSL, but does have a football team)
206
Lincoln 107
207
Governors School of Math 100 ***
***No Football team
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Post by CS on May 14, 2012 7:25:44 GMT -6
Shiloh Christian- Arkansas- Ranked number 2 in the nation 2 years ago and they are the size of a medium 3a school. But they are so good they play a 5 or 6a schedule now. The kicker is they are a private school and recruit well
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Post by midlinemoney on May 14, 2012 7:37:37 GMT -6
Missouri-
Webb City- class 4, 10 championships
Cassville- dominant of late
Hamilton Penney- class 1/2
Valle High School 140 kids, 11 state championships
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Post by bluecrazy on May 14, 2012 7:43:15 GMT -6
Over half the HS in our state have enrollment under 700 so that may be too broad a sample size. Mendon (2012 enrollment = 216) has won 11 state Football championships. That's who I think of for "small school Football." Obviously not anywhere near as many state championships as Mendon but Crystal Falls Forest Park has been in the finals several times in the smallest classification in Michigan (13 appearances, 3 championships). I don't like bringing up private schools because I just have a great appreciation for kids growing up together and competing all of their lives through their years in varsity football. But Traverse City St. Francis and Muskegon Catholic Central should be in this conversation as well probably. But I do agree with you about Mendon. They don't even have the state championships listed on the "village limit" sign. When you're that good, you don't have to tell anybody...they already know. Agree on Crystal Falls Forest Park. Climax Scott's has built a very nice small school program also. The whole school has sold out to the weight room. The females are stronger then most teams they play, and Kevin Lang's runs the whole weight room show. That's how he started to get on the right page with the football program |
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Post by powerfootball71 on May 14, 2012 7:46:51 GMT -6
In Washington about 700 would be 1a which I coached for two years.
My top 3 would be
Conell
Cascade Christian
Montasano
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Post by blb on May 14, 2012 7:52:29 GMT -6
Is 1a biggest, or smallest?
Different states label divisions-classes differently.
In Michigan Division 1 is the biggest schools, Division 8 smallest.
Including those that play 8-man there are approximately 630 HS that play Football in our state.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 14, 2012 7:54:51 GMT -6
AAAA - top 52 team
AAA- next 52
AA next 52
A the remainder
So the under 700 are all of A and about half AA.
Some of note under 700
129 Silver Bluff
145 Batesburg Leesville
150 Abbeville
154 Bamburg Erhardt
183 Lake View
192 Blackville Hilda
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Post by groundchuck on May 14, 2012 7:56:14 GMT -6
Minnesota small schools
New Ulm Cathedral
Minneota
Barnesville
Mahnomen
Stephen Argyle
Triton
Caledonia
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