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Post by piratefootball on Mar 23, 2012 10:54:07 GMT -6
If you're anything like me, you hate fighting this battle but we have a new basketball coach and he is more open than previous ones and we are hoping to work things out a little better when it comes to getting kids to play both sports.
What arguments/conversations are some of you using to convince the basketball kid that could be a good football kid to give both a shot. We have some guys that are basketball first guys but would like to give football a shot.
Our current basketball coach tells them that playing football will not help them in basketball as the amount of time needed for football takes away from their time to develop as a basketball player. We are trying to think of other arguments that we can make to convince the kid to give it a shot.
We currently use:
1. Scholarships (Openning up more opportunities)
2. Toughness
Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 23, 2012 11:26:02 GMT -6
Friday night under the lights
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Post by coachhart on Mar 23, 2012 11:31:58 GMT -6
6'3" athletic basketball players are a dime a dozen. 6'3" athletic football players are far less frequent and open themselves up to more opportunities. Heck, we lost the state championship b/c of a 6'4" WR that absolutely KILLED us!
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Post by fantom on Mar 23, 2012 11:43:51 GMT -6
6'3" athletic basketball players are a dime a dozen. 6'3" athletic football players are far less frequent and open themselves up to more opportunities. Heck, we lost the state championship b/c of a 6'4" WR that absolutely KILLED us! A kid who plays basketball. The basketball coach helped to convince him that 6'4" post players don't have much future. |
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Post by bluedevil4 on Mar 23, 2012 11:44:12 GMT -6
Tell him that going to class doesn't help kids develop for basketball either, so they should be skipping class to spend time in the gym.
Coaches that say things like that eventually have that come back to bite them. Our varsity basketball coach does everything he can to keep basketball kids away from every other sport (this includes "optional" open gyms throughout the entire year. He also has meetings and camps that he makes the team attend at really inconvenient and odd times). Now, he's one of the most disliked coaches by the students and only about 1/3 of a freshmen class here is still playing varsity by the time they get to him. I guess you could say just be patient, but at first he may have success.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 23, 2012 11:44:48 GMT -6
Agree..
Coach he was the reason they beat us too in the semifinals the week before... Kid was a freak (LOL).
Our b-ball coach is our staff.. I love football players playing basketball. I have two D-IA players on my team this year (A first for me) and both are WR/RB/DB... Both play basketball too.
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Post by cqmiller on Mar 23, 2012 11:45:34 GMT -6
85 scholarships for football... 15 for basketball...
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Post by superpower on Mar 23, 2012 11:53:10 GMT -6
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Post by fantom on Mar 23, 2012 15:34:45 GMT -6
I think that one thing that we have to do is work with the b-ball coach and the players. In 2010 we had a 2-way All State player who was committed to play D.1 basketball. We had to understand that he was going to miss some off-season workouts to play in AAU games. That was just the way it was. What was there to argue about? We could have him sometimes in the offseason or not at all. Sometimes, when it comes to our relationship with coaches of other sports, it wouldn't hurt to look at it his way.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Mar 23, 2012 16:06:26 GMT -6
I think that one thing that we have to do is work with the b-ball coach and the players. In 2010 we had a 2-way All State player who was committed to play D.1 basketball. We had to understand that he was going to miss some off-season workouts to play in AAU games. That was just the way it was. What was there to argue about? We could have him sometimes in the offseason or not at all. Sometimes, when it comes to our relationship with coaches of other sports, it wouldn't hurt to look at it his way. I find that perfectly acceptable. It's something the kid chose to do (more than likely without influence from the coach). We had a baseball player commit to playing college football next year, and his college coach told him to run track (and he is). If it's truly the kid's decision, and maybe if it's because it will help him to get into a school or an athletic scholarship, I wouldn't argue it. |
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Post by dijackson08 on Mar 23, 2012 17:37:55 GMT -6
If you have to beg a kid to play football your asking for a lot of head aches! If they want to play and put in the work after basketball thats fine they will come to you; you won't have to go get them.
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Post by coachiminime on Mar 23, 2012 18:02:45 GMT -6
Coaches, i coach both sports at our school and kids still rarely play both usually choosing basketball for a couple of different reason
1) basketball coaches as a whole are usually more willing to stretch the truth and do things that fb coaches will not- promise scholarships, AAU garbage, etc
2) Basketball practice is much easier than football, the nature of the games are much different and wimps and weak-minded people can succeed at basketball not in football
3) Parents generally feel fb is dangerous while bb is not
4) You know how many 6'5 to 6'0 kids that put all that time in BB that can not evenplay DIII would be borderline scholarship fball players
5) Guys that focus on BB usually are not mentally tough enough to succeed in FB
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Post by fantom on Mar 23, 2012 18:11:48 GMT -6
If you have to beg a kid to play football your asking for a lot of head aches! If they want to play and put in the work after basketball thats fine they will come to you; you won't have to go get them. Eh, there's a difference between begging and persuading. A lot of kids don't really know what hey want. |
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Post by CoachHess on Mar 23, 2012 19:11:06 GMT -6
Lebron James and Allen Iverson. Better football than basketball in the case of Iverson. I use the example of other athletes who made it big and played both. I also went back through our local and state history to find the greats who played basketball and football.
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Post by fantom on Mar 23, 2012 20:33:31 GMT -6
Lebron James and Allen Iverson. Better football than basketball in the case of Iverson. I use the example of other athletes who made it big and played both. I also went back through our local and state history to find the greats who played basketball and football. I wouldn't say that Iverson was better at football. Equally good is more like it. |
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Post by mholst40 on Mar 24, 2012 1:53:41 GMT -6
Had a kid from my school who played football for one year in HS. He then played four years of D1 basketball and one year of football. Last year, he was a fourth round draft pick by Denver. The bottom line is that there are more opportunities in football.
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Post by coachiminime on Mar 24, 2012 5:52:10 GMT -6
I use the example of Lebron all the time, he played football at a high level, having fun, helping his team and school, until he knew he was the 1st pick in the draft. We ge tkids who do not play who are not even DIII basketball players
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Post by groundchuck on Mar 24, 2012 7:31:04 GMT -6
Where is the AD in all this? I think if I ever became an AD I would lay down the law on two items:
1. Strength Training
2. That every coach MUST encourage multisport participation. If a header or assistant poo-poo'd another sport they would get their ass run out ASAP.
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Post by tango on Mar 24, 2012 7:35:02 GMT -6
Become best friends with the AD and principal, then get the guy fired.
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Post by blb on Mar 24, 2012 8:26:24 GMT -6
There are kids who are good athletes-basketball players that could help your football team but don't play, not always because they want to "specialize" or go for the hoops scholarship, but simply because they don't like football or lack "contact courage."
My problem is when the basketball coach is telling them not to play football (or any other sport) or is selling the next level dream to get kids to focus on his sport only.
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Post by falcon44 on Mar 24, 2012 9:06:04 GMT -6
I echo a lot of things said.I took over a program last year where football was an after thought! One of the first things I did was talk to the basketball coach and ask him if I could address his players during a summer workout.Of about 25 kids in the gym I could only get eye contact from 2.I asked if there were any questions after I spoke,not a peep. Anyhow ,we were able to pull a few Freshmen and a Junior point guard who had not played football since 9 years old.The junior had 550 rushing and 450 Rec.He was a freak. Now Basketball season has come and gone and we are in the same position.Older guys not wanting to play??? The good news is i had an off season to talk to 8th graders (football players also) and they want to do both. We always tell them that there are way more SCHOLARSHIPS than basketball ( We give examples of stud BBALL players and how many made it and that was a Low number) and if they are serious we will find them a place to play. My Junior wr was proclaimed a D 1 BBall player,well he is a 5 foot 9 point guard so realistically he is a D3 guy. AAU and HS coaches need to quit lying to these kids and tell them to play as many sports as he can and ENJOY his HS days! Bottom line is FOOTBALL = OPPORTUNITIES! oh and by all means , friend the Basketball coach and work together.If that does not work than you have some serious problems.
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Post by fantom on Mar 24, 2012 9:13:04 GMT -6
There are kids who are good athletes-basketball players that could help your football team but don't play, not always because they want to "specialize" or go for the hoops scholarship, but simply because they don't like football or lack "contact courage." . And rather than admit it it's easier to blame the basketball coach. |
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Post by blb on Mar 24, 2012 9:25:20 GMT -6
Let's face it guys, in June-July kids are "playing" basketball. Same with baseball. And in our state hockey and even lacrosse are ever-increasing factors too.
In our sport, outside of limited 7-on-7s and camps, our kids are lifting weights, running sprints, doing agility drills, etc.
Again, football not for everybody.
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Post by reddevils13 on Mar 24, 2012 14:54:04 GMT -6
I agree with groundchuck...encourage multi-sport athletes. We are coaching young men to become well rounded adults, football is just one avenue.
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Post by mattharris75 on Mar 24, 2012 22:47:22 GMT -6
Where is the AD in all this? I think if I ever became an AD I would lay down the law on two items: 1. Strength Training 2. That every coach MUST encourage multisport participation. If a header or assistant poo-poo'd another sport they would get their {censored} run out ASAP. The problem with basketball is that AAU coaches are outside of the schools control. And they are incredible liars. |
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Post by reddevils13 on Mar 25, 2012 10:47:00 GMT -6
I agree with dcohio - our varisty basketball coach has really come to realize that a big aspect some of his players lack is strength/physical toughness... he has jumped on board big time trying to convince his kids to not only getting in weight room but also going out for football
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Post by blb on Mar 25, 2012 11:25:43 GMT -6
The problem with basketball is that AAU coaches are outside of the schools control. And they are incredible liars. You're being kind, matt - more like pimps. |
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Post by fasterthanthefly on Mar 25, 2012 14:57:38 GMT -6
A few thoughts...
1. You don't want kids in your program that think (and/or their parents think) they are "all-that" in basketball. Football is, by nature, a sport of humility and hard work. This becomes oil and water for your program.
2. Kids get kids to play football. Work with your kids to work on those kids.
3. If you are trying to attract athletes from the basketball team don't run an offense that doesn't take advantage of an athletic kid. They won't want to be out if you run a ground and pound offense. Speaking from experience here...I started as a double-wing offensive coach and I couldn't get a kid from basketball to come out. For different reasons over the year we have branched out to the point we are now a multiple formation hybrid wing-t offense that does throw the ball when we have the personnel. This year 4 of the 5 starters on our basketball team were starters on our football team and 2 of those were primarily bball kids.
Just my thoughts and experiences.
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Post by coachiminime on Mar 25, 2012 15:07:35 GMT -6
I agree with that las tstatement 100% why would a skinny atheltic kid wan tto come out for the team if he is the back up TE or a Wr whose coach throws the ball 5x a game. You want some of these guys to play fo ryou you have to spread it out and throw the ball or run some jets.
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Post by blb on Mar 25, 2012 15:14:55 GMT -6
We are a running team (average 10-12 passes a game on Varsity, less on JV and Freshmen).
29 of our 64 football players grades 9-12 played basketball this winter or about 75% of the basketball rosters.
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