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Post by bear42 on Feb 21, 2012 17:06:55 GMT -6
My school district is in fiscal distress and there is talk about not paying any coaching stipends, among many other ways to save money.
Does anyone else work in a district where they don't pay the coaches a stipend?
If your district suddenly did this would you continue to coach?
To answer my last question. I will, I'm not paid a whole lot because I'm just in my forth year but some of our other coaches would take a big cut.
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Post by wingtol on Feb 21, 2012 17:19:25 GMT -6
I am not in it for the money.
But I am also not giving my time away for nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 17:26:21 GMT -6
For me, it's a no-brainer that I'd continue to do it. However, I'm sure I'm in the minority on my current staff in that regard and perhaps in the minority throughout the whole profession.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 17:31:07 GMT -6
I should add that where I coach, losing a stipend wouldn't be that big of a hit. I get the impression where you coach, bear42, that you guys get increases for experience? Where I'm at, the amount of a stipend is locked in regardless of the experience a coach has. There is a small increase every year, but it normally only amounts to a $25 or so dollar increase.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 17:37:06 GMT -6
I would coach if I didn't have a stipend. The money would be nice, but I have coached for 4 years and haven't got paid a dime. In this time I have gone from youth to small college ball,so doing work for nothing has been to my advantage. Also, I'm in college so I'm not in a situation of having much financial responsibility as others may.
I think for some it would be much harder to lose the stipend as opposed to never have it. I can understand that, but wouldn't stop coaching over it.
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Post by fantom on Feb 21, 2012 17:46:17 GMT -6
I wouldn't coach if they eliminated stipends. If it had been voluntary all along that would be one thing. I knew that going in. Taking away the money says that they don't really value what we do so the hell with them.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 21, 2012 17:47:19 GMT -6
No-- for reasons other than money though. Accepting the task without getting paid would simply begin to invalidate the profession. I believe it is similar to why social workers/counselors charge the poor a VERY small fee... rather than doing it pro bono. It forces both parties to have some skin in the game.
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Post by airman on Feb 21, 2012 17:56:17 GMT -6
this is what management banks on is that people will feel guilty and continually do more and get paid less.
I would force the issue by writing letters to the editor. my letters would be factually and not emotional based. usually there are enough people who support sports who would cram school board meetings on the coaches behalf.
If I am not getting a stipend I better be getting release time for coaching.
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Post by coachwoodall on Feb 21, 2012 18:02:20 GMT -6
I don't know. I might do it anyway, but then again I would feel a pinch.
Our program pretty much pays for itself. I know it depends across the spectrum, but regardless the gate should be covering the stipends. You math guys check my math:
5 Home games
Average attendence 2000 (paid)
$5 a pop
Eqauals $50,000
Staff of 7
Split per coach equals $7142
Okay take out the operating budget of say $30,000
leaves $20,000
Split per coach equals $2857
*This would not include fund raisers in the overal budget.
I may be naive, but there should be money there.
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Post by cqmiller on Feb 21, 2012 18:03:09 GMT -6
I think that possibility may end up here before too long. I do know that I am allowed to create stipends out of my football budget if I desire. But that goes back again to the issue we had in the "coaches fundraising" thread. Difficult for me to take money from the kids and give it to coaches.
I would still coach, but I would IMMEDIATELY start looking for another job that was paid.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 21, 2012 18:26:09 GMT -6
this is what management banks on is that people will feel guilty and continually do more and get paid less. Exactly.... people in charge love to prey on the "well SOMEBODY will do it" thought process. I noticed that those people rarely take on the sacrifices they hope others make though. We are one of the more affluent districts... but Katrina has caused some population shifts and my parish (county..which makes up the entire school district..about 55 schools) is also hitting some tough times, particularly one side of the district. Gotten tighten up the belts., cut back on sub use, etc. The super still has a car allowance of about $1500 a month... These type of situations parallel bigger union issues (like the NFL just had) It isn't just a short term situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 18:54:46 GMT -6
I can't speak for everywhere, but in my area most community members are very uneducated when it comes to these stipends. Most don't have any idea they are only a couple thousand dollars. The school uses that lack of knowledge to their advantage and announces they are cutting stipends and actually win points in the community because the school is seen as prioritizing spending on education  Again, I'd still coach, but I definitely hear what most of you are saying. |
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Post by airman on Feb 21, 2012 19:02:39 GMT -6
this is what management banks on is that people will feel guilty and continually do more and get paid less. Exactly.... people in charge love to prey on the "well SOMEBODY will do it" thought process. I noticed that those people rarely take on the sacrifices they hope others make though. We are one of the more affluent districts... but Katrina has caused some population shifts and my parish (county..which makes up the entire school district..about 55 schools) is also hitting some tough times, particularly one side of the district. Gotten tighten up the belts., cut back on sub use, etc. The super still has a car allowance of about $1500 a month... These type of situations parallel bigger union issues (like the NFL just had) It isn't just a short term situation. a car allowance. you got to be kidding. I do not know anyone in my area that gets a car allowance. then again in my area a elementary principal makes 90K a year, a jr high/high school principal makes 100 to 130 k a year, a super is making 250K a year. |
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 21, 2012 19:19:55 GMT -6
I would miss the stipend, but I would definitely keep coaching. I am a Spanish teacher. At the end of the day I like being able to connect with kids on something we both love.
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Post by John Knight on Feb 21, 2012 19:34:05 GMT -6
or get rid of one worthless administrator and pay all the coaches and the trip bus drivers.
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Post by rsmith627 on Feb 21, 2012 19:38:17 GMT -6
or get rid of one worthless administrator and pay all the coaches and the trip bus drivers. I'll go along with that. Like it or not, languages do have their value. Some administrators sure don't, and by some, I mean most. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 21, 2012 23:37:38 GMT -6
I got $400 last year, and I think I'm one of the better-paid assistants. It works out to not quite breaking even with my expenses (mostly gas to and from practice). If we ignore that, I get less than a dollar an hour for all the film, travel, etc. So, I don't exactly do this for the money, I didn't even know I was going to be getting any at first. It almost seems ridiculous to pay me, but only a tiny amount.
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Post by bleefb on Feb 22, 2012 0:24:39 GMT -6
I think it gets back to the respect issue, and being treated as a professional. I'll work for free when the Superintendent works for free.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 22, 2012 1:15:41 GMT -6
a car allowance. you got to be kidding. I do not know anyone in my area that gets a car allowance. then again in my area a elementary principal makes 90K a year, a jr high/high school principal makes 100 to 130 k a year, a super is making 250K a year. Those salaries are higher than my district. The car allowance is a bit of a sore subject for me because it is probably about 1/2 the take home pay of younger teachers. I don't think coaches should coach without a stipend based on principle, as well as economic/political theory. When such measures are proposed, I believe a stand has to be made, and the community has to decide how to allocate the resources. If they back the measure, they are essentially deciding that athletics are not important for that community. |
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Post by fballcoachg on Feb 22, 2012 7:02:22 GMT -6
Exactly.... people in charge love to prey on the "well SOMEBODY will do it" thought process. I noticed that those people rarely take on the sacrifices they hope others make though. We are one of the more affluent districts... but Katrina has caused some population shifts and my parish (county..which makes up the entire school district..about 55 schools) is also hitting some tough times, particularly one side of the district. Gotten tighten up the belts., cut back on sub use, etc. The super still has a car allowance of about $1500 a month... These type of situations parallel bigger union issues (like the NFL just had) It isn't just a short term situation. a car allowance. you got to be kidding. I do not know anyone in my area that gets a car allowance. then again in my area a elementary principal makes 90K a year, a jr high/high school principal makes 100 to 130 k a year, a super is making 250K a year. Our superintendent is around $250K with a car allowance, gas card, "living stipend" (not sure what that is exactly), phone allowance, and 100% paid benefits...not sure what he has to pay for, pretty much banking the 250, but we are constantly cutting teachers while adding positions to central office so clearly the priorities are in line. I would coach without a stipend if they took it away just long enough to find another coaching gig. |
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 22, 2012 8:05:37 GMT -6
What's with the hate on foreign languages?
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Post by IronmanFootball on Feb 22, 2012 8:38:36 GMT -6
Every country teaches their students a second language. We can actually increase intelligence by learning a second lang, not just knowledge. Keep the language class and make the AP's split AD duty or something to that regard. Save you $50K right there not having to pay a full-time AD.
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Post by emptybackfield on Feb 22, 2012 9:10:03 GMT -6
This is embarrassing, disturbing, and an extreme disservice to kids. In the fall coaches are putting in 20-25 hours outside of their teaching responsibilities. Asking guys to "volunteer" that much time is a joke. Your district will lose any coach that's worth a damn. It's not like it's an intramural coach working 5 hours a week.
Like stated above, we don't do this for the money, but the little bit of money we get helps to justify neglecting our families and personal lives for 4 months a year.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 22, 2012 9:13:35 GMT -6
cut one foreign language teacher and you can pay every coach in every sport - I don't see why schools make it so complicated. Or a Home Ec. teacher Or an Art teacher Or "Credit Recovery" teacher. Or stop paying teachers 20.00 to announce a game of basketball. Or stop paying teachers 20.00 a game to run chains at games. Or stop spending $2000.00 a year on Pendleton jacket and bag material for sewing class. Or, actually come to the realization that football is what generates the most revenue in all of athletics and allow the boosters to split up funds accordingly. I would still coach, regardless but I can tell you I'd be running my mouth about everything above in a board meeting. |
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Post by airraider on Feb 22, 2012 9:13:36 GMT -6
I think it goes beyond doing it either way because you love it...
Most people live to their means... and to suddenly lose $7K or so from your annual salary would really put most people in a bind.
I could understand maybe taking away an AD's stipend by saying that all of his work is performed during school hours for which he is already getting paid... but the coaching goes well beyond the school day.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 22, 2012 9:17:44 GMT -6
e I would still coach, regardless but I can tell you I'd be running my mouth about everything above in a board meeting. This is another reason I would advocate nobody coaching under these situations. What you described above would not be a good situation under any conditions. |
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Post by emptybackfield on Feb 22, 2012 9:56:23 GMT -6
What's with the hate on foreign languages? Désolé, entraîneur clement, langue étrangère est une partie très importante du processus éducatif |
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 22, 2012 10:18:09 GMT -6
What's with the hate on foreign languages? Désolé, entraîneur clement, langue étrangère est une partie très importante du processus éducatif Ouai, j'dirais pas mal, surtout pour moi ici dans le Sag. Ben fun ca, un 'tit club de bilingues. Ont peut les moquer en secret. |
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Post by coachcb on Feb 22, 2012 10:19:02 GMT -6
Stupid Spaniards...  |
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 22, 2012 10:21:02 GMT -6
Hey, I'm Portuguese.
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