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Post by airraider on Feb 22, 2012 10:41:13 GMT -6
What's with the hate on foreign languages? Désolé, entraîneur clement, langue étrangère est une partie très importante du processus éducatif I can almost understand that! So why do we need to teach it in schools?
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Post by coachcb on Feb 22, 2012 10:49:17 GMT -6
"Sorry coach clement. Foreign languages are an important part of the education process." Didn't even have to look her up, neither.
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Post by 20x on Feb 22, 2012 12:14:26 GMT -6
I think most of us would lean to continuing to coach simply for the love of the game and being around the kids. However, I have a hard time justifying to my wife and kids that I am spending nearly 8 hours a day on something that I am not getting paid to do. I would much rather be volunteering at a local college if that was my choice.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 22, 2012 12:15:59 GMT -6
Funny, I had an algebra prof I couldn't understand at all. Maybe we should all have chipped in for an IPhone.
And nobody actually calls me "entraineur Clement," It's just "Coach Chris." Entraineur is only used in formal written work.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 22, 2012 13:08:45 GMT -6
Funny, I had an algebra prof I couldn't understand at all. Maybe we should all have chipped in for an IPhone. And nobody actually calls me "entraineur Clement," It's just "Coach Chris." Entraineur is only used in formal written work. Yeah, I knew it was a pretty formal word but I figured "coach" was a decent shot at translation on this board. I don't speak Spanish well but I can read it; it translates over into French and Italian well. It's going to be necessary for teachers to learn some Spanish in today's society.
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Post by coachbrown3 on Feb 22, 2012 13:50:24 GMT -6
I volunteered last year (my decision) rather than go back to my old school and get paid. Made somewhat of a principled stand, but I will be getting paid this year. I will say this...choosing to volunteer was difficult to explain to the wife. Luckily, I have a good one and she kept the faith in me that things would work out. They did, so it's all good now, this was a tough year at home though.
If I were forced to lose my stipend, I would have probably looked elsewhere. I don't make that much (maybe $400 extra a month for Aug.-Nov. after taxes) but the stipend is in the family budget. Without it we lose the ability to pay for things like daycare, additional savings, Christmas gifts, etc.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Feb 22, 2012 14:14:21 GMT -6
NO STIPEND=NO COACHING.
I could train 5 kids per sports season and make triple my coaching salary (SAQ/S&C) working about 15 less hours a week. Heck, I even know I guy who I could use his facility if I give him a small percentage of earnings.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 22, 2012 14:18:39 GMT -6
This thread has been very educational. I was not aware that when you guys were talking about stipends, you meant 5, 10, god knows how many thousands of dollars. I never had a coach receive a dime when I was a player, I was a little stunned when my current school offered to put me on the "payroll."
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Post by coachcb on Feb 22, 2012 15:26:04 GMT -6
My stipend as an HC was $3500.00 this year. I actually needed the money this year; I always budget around it.
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Post by airman on Feb 22, 2012 19:40:45 GMT -6
I do not think a coach should coach without being paid unless the school is going to make coaching part of his teaching. where I come from they are two separate contracts. It is principle i think. if you have the sport then you should value the people coaching it by either reducing their teaching load or paying them a stipend.
I personally do not need the stipend as I am not a teacher. (no offense guys but I do not know how you do it with how little a teacher is paid). I was a teacher for a short period in life then got out and into the commercial real estate biz and apartment building landlord.
i take the stipend but I use it to help the program. I got $2500 last year so I bought books and videos at coaching clinics that our staff and head coach wanted.
I am buying a new blocking sled for the program this year and donating it. this is out of my own money. do not ask the hoops I had to jump through to do this. this is always that pissed of lesbian football hating female coach that throws a monkey wrench into things.
most people like the fact I am willing to donate in these tough times. I said if I ever won the power ball lottery we r getting an indoor football practice facility. I already have the plans drawn up. it will be one of a kid. two football fields sitting side by side in an indoor facility. no pro or college team has this.
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Post by John Knight on Feb 23, 2012 8:17:17 GMT -6
LOL!!!
Well they want us to teach for free, why not coach?
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Post by gdoggwr on Feb 23, 2012 10:29:27 GMT -6
This thread has been very educational. I was not aware that when you guys were talking about stipends, you meant 5, 10, god knows how many thousands of dollars. I never had a coach receive a dime when I was a player, I was a little stunned when my current school offered to put me on the "payroll." correct me if I'm wrong cclement, but in Canada there are NO coaching stipends (or at least very few, and then they're like yours and cover gas... sort of). For me its is principle thing. If I were in a situation where across the board nobody was getting stipends (like our Canadian brethren) I would have no problem coaching as a volunteer. However, if my district says they are going to cut coaching stipends, but everyone else we play still has them, then its kind of insulting. Especially since a year or two ago our district filled all three of the vacant assistant superintendent positions while simultaneously reducing staff throughout the district and increasing our class sizes by about 5 students per. We always hear that it is "for the kids" but the only staff that hasn't been cut recently are the ones farthest removed from the students... (I'll end my rant now). Cutting stipends would be like the state legislature reducing funding for education and every other social service and then voting themselves a raise...
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Post by John Knight on Feb 23, 2012 10:37:56 GMT -6
When I first started teaching, my first contract in 1984 was for $9100 and I coached 3 sports at $2000 per sport. Believe me, I did it for the money back then! I coached Girls Baskeball for 10 years as JV head or Var assistant, I did that for the money as well.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 23, 2012 10:45:21 GMT -6
Like I said, I never budget with my coaching stipends in mind. I put them towards student loans and other debt or go into savings when they do finally end up in my account.
The more I think about it, the less likely I am to coach if stipends were cut. Like people have pointed out, it's a principle issue. Also, most other coaches are going to quit and you'll be stuck with jagg-off daddies and sports writers in the program.
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 23, 2012 10:45:21 GMT -6
That's pretty much it. In Quebec everything is weird, so we have two full-time coaches, but they also deal with some of the players for half of the day, and assistants are community volunteers who get honoraria, but there's a disconnect with the real teachers, who don't participate in sports at all. The province puts tons of money into lots of dumb things.
In normal provinces, teachers don't get any extra money for picking up an extra-curricular activity, it's just an expectation of the job that you do something. Coaches at the club level (minor hockey, youth football, baseball, whatever) typically receive at most a small honorarium, but more often nothing.
I guess I can see the insult of having the stipend cut, but you guys operate on insane budgets.
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Post by blb on Feb 23, 2012 10:51:35 GMT -6
I do not coach Football for the money per se.
But I am a professional and my time, educational preparation, and experience are worth something - or should be.
I volunteered for a friend of mine one year (and to show how smart I am, drove 50 minutes one way to do so) with my wife's blessing. That paid off when he left for another job and I replaced him (including teaching position) - and my income increased $13,000.
If my current school were to eliminate coaching salaries, I would not coach.
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Post by gdoggwr on Feb 23, 2012 11:01:59 GMT -6
That's pretty much it. In Quebec everything is weird, so we have two full-time coaches, but they also deal with some of the players for half of the day, and assistants are community volunteers who get honoraria, but there's a disconnect with the real teachers, who don't participate in sports at all. The province puts tons of money into lots of dumb things. In normal provinces, teachers don't get any extra money for picking up an extra-curricular activity, it's just an expectation of the job that you do something. Coaches at the club level (minor hockey, youth football, baseball, whatever) typically receive at most a small honorarium, but more often nothing. I guess I can see the insult of having the stipend cut, but you guys operate on insane budgets. Out of curiosity, do you know what an average teachers salary is in Canada? Quebec or elsewhere?
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Post by John Knight on Feb 23, 2012 11:05:07 GMT -6
www.nucleuslearning.com/node/3158Province Salary Year Link British Columbia (Vancouver) $73,972 2011 BC's Local Collective Agreements (2006 - 2011) Alberta (Calgary) $87,954 2011 Alberta Teachers' Association Collective agreements (2006 - 2012) Saskatchewan $72,435 2010 Saskatchewan Teachers' Federation Collective Agreement (2007 - 2010) Teachers in Saskatchewan are currently trying to negotiate another contract. Manitoba (Winnipeg) $76,547 2010 MTS Collective Agreements Ontario (Toronto) $83,865 2011 OSSTF Collective Agreement (2008 - 2012) Quebec (Montreal) $52,435 2011 Montreal Teachers' Association Collective Agreement (2010-2011) New Brunswick $72,536 2011 New Brunswick Teachers' Federation Agreement (2008-2012) Nova Scotia $59,644 2010 NSTU Collective Agreement (2008-2010) P.E.I. $64,608 2011 PEI Teachers' Federation Agreement (2010 - 2013) Newfoundland $69,994 2011 NLTA Collective Agreement (2008-2012)
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Post by fantom on Feb 23, 2012 11:05:39 GMT -6
I guess I can see the insult of having the stipend cut, but you guys operate on insane budgets. If you're basing that on the fundraising threads where some guys talked about budgets in the $150,000-$300,000 range, forget that. Most of us aren't even remotely in that range.
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Post by blb on Feb 23, 2012 11:13:11 GMT -6
I don't know if it's state law or just common practice but around here you cannot use internal accounts (fund raising) for salaries of any kind, not even Summer camps.
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Post by gdoggwr on Feb 23, 2012 11:26:12 GMT -6
www.nucleuslearning.com/node/3158Province Salary Year Link British Columbia (Vancouver) $73,972 2011 BC's Local Collective Agreements (2006 - 2011) Alberta (Calgary) $87,954 2011 Alberta Teachers' Association Collective agreements (2006 - 2012) Saskatchewan $72,435 2010 Saskatchewan Teachers' Federation Collective Agreement (2007 - 2010) Teachers in Saskatchewan are currently trying to negotiate another contract. Manitoba (Winnipeg) $76,547 2010 MTS Collective Agreements Ontario (Toronto) $83,865 2011 OSSTF Collective Agreement (2008 - 2012) Quebec (Montreal) $52,435 2011 Montreal Teachers' Association Collective Agreement (2010-2011) New Brunswick $72,536 2011 New Brunswick Teachers' Federation Agreement (2008-2012) Nova Scotia $59,644 2010 NSTU Collective Agreement (2008-2010) P.E.I. $64,608 2011 PEI Teachers' Federation Agreement (2010 - 2013) Newfoundland $69,994 2011 NLTA Collective Agreement (2008-2012) thanks!
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Post by Chris Clement on Feb 23, 2012 13:06:08 GMT -6
I guess I can see the insult of having the stipend cut, but you guys operate on insane budgets. If you're basing that on the fundraising threads where some guys talked about budgets in the $150,000-$300,000 range, forget that. Most of us aren't even remotely in that range. No, no, I'm basing that off of: Stipends with 4 figures People who use words like: fieldhouse, practice field, stadium, and mean different places You freak out about having to share anything with "soccer" We had one field for the school to share for Jr/Sr/Boys/Girls Rugby/Football/Soccer/Whatever. If they had a game, you wwent to the nearest elementary school or park to practice, or squeezed into a corner of the field. Now there's one field for the HS, CEGEP, University, and several clubs You freak out at the thought of kids having to pay anything to play I paid about 100-150 for each season. Not exorbitant, but it sure wasn't free. If you couldn't afford it, you could work it off. You also had to provide your own cleats, socks, etc. You charge admission and people pay it. WTF? Games that involve more than a bus there and back immediately before and after. Your own changerooms. We used the ones attached to the gym. Your own weightrooms We used the one everyone else uses Pretty much everything that happens between January and August. Not trying to make a oe is me, just letting you guys know that you're pretty well off in that department.
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Post by airman on Feb 23, 2012 18:10:57 GMT -6
I do not think a coach should coach without being paid unless the school is going to make coaching part of his teaching. where I come from they are two separate contracts. It is principle i think. if you have the sport then you should value the people coaching it by either reducing their teaching load or paying them a stipend. I personally do not need the stipend as I am not a teacher. (no offense guys but I do not know how you do it with how little a teacher is paid). I was a teacher for a short period in life then got out and into the commercial real estate biz and apartment building landlord. i take the stipend but I use it to help the program. I got $2500 last year so I bought books and videos at coaching clinics that our staff and head coach wanted. I am buying a new blocking sled for the program this year and donating it. this is out of my own money. do not ask the hoops I had to jump through to do this. this is always that {censored} of lesbian football hating female coach that throws a monkey wrench into things. most people like the fact I am willing to donate in these tough times. I said if I ever won the power ball lottery we r getting an indoor football practice facility. I already have the plans drawn up. it will be one of a kid. two football fields sitting side by side in an indoor facility. no pro or college team has this. 2 things: 1. I agree. If you're going to have the sport then support it. And if you will coach for free, then why pay you. I agree we don't coach for the money, but it is the principle of things. 2. you use your stipend to buy things for the football program? A sled, $2500 worth of stuff at a clinic? - You want a job? yes, I use my stipend to buy things for the program. I do not need the money as I make plenty of money. I am in the 35% tax bracket.(not trying to brag or anything) we needed a new sled so I bought one and when we were at clinics I bought books and videos stuff like that. 500 of my stipend went to our 5 varsity managers. I gave them each 100 gift cards to best buy. another 1000 went for dinner for all the coaches and their wife or girlfriend from me for all football coaches 7th grade on up to varsity. I doubt your school could handle me as an assistant coach. they would not like the fact i do not take no for an answer. I would just go out into the business community and get what the football teams needs. for example most coaches do not have an attorney on speed dial. when I was a head coach I had my attorney negotiate contracts for all the coaches on the staff. this notion that you have to take what the school gives u is absurd. most people in life take what is given them unfortunately.
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Post by coachmph on Mar 5, 2012 12:16:37 GMT -6
I've taught and coached in both Canada and the US. In Canada, I've never been paid to coach, but I was lucky enough to be comped coaching wear every season.
In my three years in the US, I was never paid to coach football, thought in my second year, I coached boys' track at my middle school, and justified it as my pay for football. In my final year, I was offered to have my position made a paid one, but due to work visa paperwork taking too much time, I decided just to coach for free...and had the greatest season of my career.
This year, one of our assistants decided to keep track of the hours we put into coaching. By the end of the season, we had accumulated 149. Part of me wants to think that's a little low, but I know that I easily put in 30 hours per week down in the US (film sessions took up a fair bit of that, as did JV and Varsity travel time).
But I am a teacher in Canada, and I would still coach for free even if offered pay.
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Post by runandshoot1 on Mar 5, 2012 12:44:09 GMT -6
I would coach that first year but I would be on the horn the day after I found out working to find a different job for the next year...
Like everyone else said it isn't about the money it's about the principle!!
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