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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 28, 2011 12:57:51 GMT -6
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Post by the1mitch on Dec 28, 2011 13:38:32 GMT -6
We are a 1300 student school in the second largest classification in our state. As far as "different" goes we organize the squad in a unique way. We have a split practice ie, JV goes defense, varsity on offense, then reverse it. We do special teams in the prepractice and midway break, two segments daily. Our team splits up into 4 distinct groups for games. Varsity is divided into Red-Grey evenly by a draft. We do this in Spring thru preseason in order to be sure to get the #2's quality playing time. When the game is on the line, we call for the Bandits and the kids know who the Starters are. JV is the White team who plays on Mondays, and Frosh go Wednesdays. We don't tackle to the ground in scrimmage except for 5-10 full go plays. We run a clock with a horn that keeps us on schedule. Our whole program is committed to two platoon football until injuries make that unworkable. D 1 kids may go both ways however. This was a revelation for me coming here 4 years ago from a line em up knock em down hit em in the mouth how tough are you junior? program. We don't beat ourselves up and have had one season ending injury during practice in four years. At my old school we lost kids in practice all the time. Go light and go further!!
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Post by lionhart on Dec 28, 2011 14:14:13 GMT -6
we NEVER tackle live during the season. during 2 a days we will teach proper form and then smack a bit... let them get after it. once the season starts, we do 1 day a week full tackling drills, using drive sled and dummies, and a person holding a hand shield for hit/wrap drill. we never go to the ground during practice and are in shorts 90% of the time. we have 700-800 kids in the school and cant afford to lose kids to injury. we feel that this approach allows our kids to focus more on technique and body control. i know some people may criticize this method, but it has worked well for us.
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Post by scuba16 on Dec 28, 2011 14:24:49 GMT -6
Do you guys find that your kids get out physicalled early in the yr by these teams that smash each other around early? ? We don't have the #'s to lose kids by going all out during practice but we play some teams that have #'s and are real physcial early. We catch up and tend to be healthier later in the yr.... but getting your butt kicked early can have adverse effects.... What you guys think
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Post by emptybackfield on Dec 29, 2011 10:13:59 GMT -6
When the game is on the line, we call for the Bandits and the kids know who the Starters are. Interesting approach here coach. I'm kind of confused. You play two squads during a varsity game until the "game is on the line" then play your best?
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Post by coachplaa on Dec 29, 2011 11:37:30 GMT -6
I've already talked about this, but we started playing music over a loudspeaker this year during every practice. I don't know of any other high school that does it, but I know some colleges do. I thought it really improved our practices this year in terms of tempo and practicing fast.
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Post by Chris Clement on Dec 29, 2011 17:44:45 GMT -6
At the youth level, we hit more than anybody else and it really helps. At the HS level, we think and I think a lack of hitting is largely responsible. I think we run a more "pro-style" practice than anyone else because so many of our assistants are CEGEP players and as a result we often have trouble with basic stuff.
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Post by kwallis on Dec 29, 2011 20:26:38 GMT -6
I've already talked about this, but we started playing music over a loudspeaker this year during every practice. I don't know of any other high school that does it, but I know some colleges do. I thought it really improved our practices this year in terms of tempo and practicing fast. We started doing that this about week 5 this year, big time improvement in our practices. There's the school of thought that "if you need music to pump you up, you'll never get there". But after taking over a program that was 1-89 over the last 10 years, we had to find ways to keep them up for the type of practices we needed.
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Dec 29, 2011 21:53:09 GMT -6
coachpla, we did that too this year, cranked ac/dc ,megadeth, and metalicca all the time, even in our first scrimmage till the other coaches said their kids couldn;t hear the checks or they couldnt coach their kids on how to align, we never had the problem all year and i diffently think it was because we were used to it, the loud noise, so we didn;t get distracted...
on kinda the saem note, all our pregame warmup music was Johnny Cash's 16 greatest Hits!
you should see the looks of the opponents during warmup
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Post by runitupthemiddle on Dec 29, 2011 21:57:55 GMT -6
as far as htting, once season starts only tuesday is a real physical day, wednesday is physical but pro-pad look, nothing to the ground...and this will sound crazy but sometimes if practice was dragging or a kid said he wanted someone, we let'm get it on till the whistle blew, anything goes 'cept no groin punches, and no twisting, just straight up come out of the stance and hit each other and beat the crap out of one another. Made us a lot freaking tougher and brought the team closer together. Every team in the district said we were the most physical team they played or had seen in a long time. And this was after coming off a 2-28 stretch!! to 9-3 this year!
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Post by boxman70 on Dec 30, 2011 7:07:51 GMT -6
im a youth coach.we practice 2x weekly...we constantly hit.it definitely shows in the game.win or lose, we hit teams in the mouth and dont back down.i'm glad we are known as a physical team.
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Post by the1mitch on Dec 30, 2011 12:46:53 GMT -6
What I mean by "game on the line" is if we're in tough or the game counts and we need to get the win. Our goal is to platoon for as long as we can. We draft Red and Grey with the Red team getting three 1st picks, starting QB, best WR and best lineman.Grey gets the next 8 choices regardless of position and so we end up with one platoon that is more run oriented and one that passes more. We don't lose games over this concept, but we do perform subpar at camp and scrimmages. The trade off is bette depth and real playing time for the #2's. When we holler BANDIT DEFENSE, there is an expectation of a stop.
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Post by chi5hi on Dec 30, 2011 16:06:51 GMT -6
We have an incline on the practice field, perhaps 6 degrees in angle. We put the scout defense uphill and have our 1st offense execute our run plays upward on the hill. Keeps their pads low I'll tell you! We also reverse that with our defense against scout offense. Keep lateral runs to a minimum to avoid ankle injuries. Kind of unconventional.
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 31, 2011 8:12:12 GMT -6
What I mean by "game on the line" is if we're in tough or the game counts and we need to get the win. Our goal is to platoon for as long as we can. We draft Red and Grey with the Red team getting three 1st picks, starting QB, best WR and best lineman.Grey gets the next 8 choices regardless of position and so we end up with one platoon that is more run oriented and one that passes more. We don't lose games over this concept, but we do perform subpar at camp and scrimmages. The trade off is bette depth and real playing time for the #2's. When we holler BANDIT DEFENSE, there is an expectation of a stop. I'm a little confused. You platoon on offense? Like you have 2 separate offensive teams? Sorry, but to me that makes no sense whatsoever. Maybe I misunderstood your post. If you were to two-platoon (offense & defense) and take your best WR, QB, OL, and then your next best 8 athletes and put them on D then then that makes sense. Why wouldn't you put your best 11 offensive players from your Red&Grey groups and make one offense then supplement that with personnel groupings?
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Post by creid on Dec 31, 2011 9:02:04 GMT -6
We never go to the ground in practice...don't even wear practice pants. As far as unconventional, run lonesome polecat at times.
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Post by blb on Dec 31, 2011 9:10:12 GMT -6
I'm beginning to think we're "unconventional" because we don't run a Spread Offense, 4-2-5/3-3-5 Defense; we do Flexibility at beginning of some practices-work outs; etc.
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Post by fantom on Dec 31, 2011 9:22:57 GMT -6
I don't know how unconventional it is but as an OL coach we never do sled work. In fact we don't even have a 7-man or 5-man sled.
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Post by blb on Dec 31, 2011 9:40:13 GMT -6
I don't know how unconventional it is but as an OL coach we never do sled work. In fact we don't even have a 7-man or 5-man sled. Only time our Offensive Linemen hit the 7-man Sled is when we do "Team Take-off Drill" for Wednesday Warm-up. We block people (who have arms-hands and move), not sleds or bags.
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Post by rideanddecide on Dec 31, 2011 15:54:43 GMT -6
I know more teams are doing this now, but when I was a head coach we didn't warm up together. Players went directly to indy periods and did skill specific work to get loose. The only injuries that year were broken hands and concussions, no ankles, knees, or shoulders. 4
Same thing for game night. There was no team warmup period. Indy D, Indy O, Team O, Lockerroom, Play!
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Post by turney on Dec 31, 2011 16:27:56 GMT -6
I have always thought that taking notes of things that need to be addressed (throughout practice and film) and then covering those issues the following day in Indy would help pace, attention and overall be more effective. FYI we are not a no huddle team.
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Post by coachschro on Jan 7, 2012 13:40:07 GMT -6
Youth prgram: -No tackling to the ground -wear shorts with girdles under 90% of time -run spread -practice two nights a week for 1.5 hours -use hudl -don't stretch
From watching and talking to youth coaches all of these things are unconventinal, although we know at the high school and college level it isn't anymore...
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Post by fantom on Jan 7, 2012 14:35:35 GMT -6
Once a season, we have a competition day. From stuff like punt pass kick, fastest guy, last guy the drop a ball, bear crawls, last man standing fumble drills, and a lot of stupid games that a lot of us played growing up. It's not the greatest X's and O's practice but the guys all love it and gives us that extra little kick at the end of the season. We always end it with like 15 minutes of team and somehow our guys always run the plays to perfection and hard. I have to ask: is this HS varsity? Are there playoffs involved?
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Post by td4tc on Jan 7, 2012 14:59:41 GMT -6
followed the ballsy guy from Arkansas and tried the "No Punt" rule...except, occasionally, out of GUN , QB just dropped back three steps on cadence and quick kicked it if we didn't like what we called or if our DC was $hitting his pants...
pretty funny watching defenses try to get their punt return team out there only to have us get a first down on hurry up..led to a lot of extra possessions...and was fun for the kids...later on, when people caught on a bit, we would fake the quick kick and just throw out of GUN with the same routes , only the QB had dropped back 3 steps already...they would be scrambling back for the quick kick and we would throw underneath
not for everybody but what the heck.our punter wasn't that great anyway
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Post by gambler00 on Jan 7, 2012 20:07:46 GMT -6
In response to the Gundy Article I think the key to them only going two hours is filiming practice and watching practice the next day in meetings. They dont coach on the field. Also their style of offense lends itself to fast reps some run oriented personell offenses may take more time. Unconventional thing we do is no conditioning after practice.
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Post by morrisob on Jan 13, 2012 11:52:15 GMT -6
I heard of a team that actually splits their coaching staff into 3(O,D,Specialist)
They then rotate the Varsity JV and Freshman Players through the 3 areas during practice. Then one of the area coaches is the coordinator for with either the JV, Varsity or Freshman during the games.
I know they seemed to like the system and they were by far the best team in the conference in special teams.
Again this was not my team so I can't offer you any more information than that.
Our team: We crank music, never ever ever huddle.
The one that I like the most is that we lift before games. our weightroom is full of windows and the opposing team watches our guys lift as they walk in.
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Post by coachbags on Jan 13, 2012 12:59:13 GMT -6
We started doing Yoga this season. We did it twice a week, usually the day after a game and during the middle of the week. Our kids were really skeptical about it, but once they did it a few times, they really began to like it. We saw great improvments in their flexibility and we also had very few pulled muscles.
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Post by airman on Jan 13, 2012 17:07:44 GMT -6
we have the numbers to do it and the space to do it. on special teams we play exclusively backup. so special teams are a big deal for us.
one field 1 we have kick off going vs kickoff return
on field 2 we have punt vs punt return.
we do 45 minutes special teams 20 min drill work 25 min team work.
during special teams time our qbs are drilling and in class room. our oline and dline are working individual skills and then one on one pass rushes vs each other so our 1st oline is going vs 1 dline. this is how they do it in the pros. they get 45 minutes of this.
we end practice we field goal/pat this is the only special team that olineman/dlineman are on.
during team time we go 1 vs 1 , 2v2 3v3 all at the same time.
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Post by information on Jan 13, 2012 17:16:56 GMT -6
I have conditioning challenges: example: I pick an OL and DL kid and shoot the balls from our gun. Watching these kids try and catch punts to reduce their conditioning is hysterical. Both sides of the ball are competitive and want to have less gassers than the other. It is a good way to break up the same-old-same old of practice. I do this one about 2 times a year.....kids always get a kick out of it......oh, and the coaches do too!
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Post by zeroand24 on Feb 3, 2012 9:10:18 GMT -6
During the summer on a random day we have a toughness challenge. We are the smallest school around and play with 18-20 kids against much bigger teams. We pride ourselves on being tough. Instead of going to the weight room we go to the field and bear crawl continuously until all but one has quit or we reached 48 minutes. Each coach has a rack of water bottles and gives the kids as much water as possible. The kids are told to go as long as they can and that it is totally up to them. Every year we have had about 5 kids go the entire time. Back and forth, up and down the field (usually about 1,300 yds.) they just cant let their hands come up or their knees touch. It has worked out to be a good team bounding because the kids that stop early stay and give water and encouragement to the guys still going. At the end of it everyone can see who the BMF's are and they usually are the kids that work into captains spots.
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Post by redbug on Feb 23, 2012 0:23:18 GMT -6
Not sure this is unconventional or not. But when we first start the year(after we have done our walk throughs on how to hit and worked through 1/2 speed tackling) we do one on one's those who pin their ears back and will hit you will work defensive positions the second practice. I keep all the rest. All year long all we do is one on one head up tackling and running until you will pin your ears back and go. When this is achieved you can then go work on a defensive position. I think this helped our special teams more than anything we actually had 11 guys who were head hunting. I guess in my mind hitting is more mental than physical at some point in time it has to click in their head this isn't going to hurt I just have to go full speed and not stop my feet on contact.
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