caseys8527
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Post by caseys8527 on Dec 12, 2011 10:49:01 GMT -6
Being a 1st year coach in a new program I thought it was vital to have a playbook for my kids. However I have read on this board in many threads that many coaches don't give out playbooks.
What are your thoughts FOR handing out playbooks, and for not?
I can see both sides of the coin - but there are many smarter then me on this board.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Dec 12, 2011 10:56:23 GMT -6
DO NOT GIVE PLAYBOOKS TO YOUR PLAYERS!
1. 99% of those you give it too will look at it for no more than 10 minutes. I never did when my coach gave me a cheat sheet.
2. You run the risk of opponents seeing it (yes, I've heard of players giving it to the other team). We found a playbook from one of our opponents just laying out in front of their HS when we arrived for a game.
3. A majority of teens do what they do best next to lying: losing things
4. You give "football dad's" something else to use against you (they'll find a way).
5. It's just another little stressor you'll have to be on top of and monitor.
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Post by fantom on Dec 12, 2011 10:56:30 GMT -6
We hand one out but not to everybody.
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Post by dwbish67 on Dec 12, 2011 10:59:54 GMT -6
WE dont hand them out but if we did, they would be like a textbook, they must be returned at the end of the year. We also count this towards their lettering.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Dec 12, 2011 11:00:11 GMT -6
We hand one out but not to everybody. If a player asks for one, or a particular player is struggling, we'll give him a cheat sheet (just covering what he's having trouble with). I'm not against giving players any kind of visual aid. I would just be very hesitant about giving players the "system" on a silver platter.
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Post by fantom on Dec 12, 2011 11:07:48 GMT -6
I've never seen these negatives on handing out playbooks. I understand that a lot of kids won't look at them. That's ahy we only give them to those who ask. The "Dad" thing is something that I've never considered and never will. Is there a chance that our opponents will get one? Hell, it's better than a chance. Kids around here move so I know that our opponents have ours. Who cares? There are no state secrets in there. Anybody who watches us on film can see what's in the playbook anyway.
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Post by John Knight on Dec 12, 2011 11:25:33 GMT -6
Mike Leach doesn't hand out playbooks and he practice 1.5 hours max.
I could coach for him.
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Post by flexoption91 on Dec 12, 2011 11:28:05 GMT -6
I agree with fantom, give it to the kids that ask for one.
Providing playbooks also give you another leg to stand on when a dad wants to know why his son is not playing and you tell him he does not know any of his plays.
Also for those dads that act like they have a clue about your schemes, it is a great chance to show them what it is supposed to look like. If little johnny is blows an assignment or a play blows up, maybe it is because he ran the play or front wrong and not because the coach is an idiot.
In regard to our opponents, I want teams to try and defend our entire playbook. Like fantom said with the amount of tape and ease of access to it, there are secrets. We had 8 tapes on one team last year, knew their schemes inside and out. We put together what we thought was a soild game plan. They came out and thumped us by 28 because we had two key injuries, 5 turnovers (including 2 returned for touchdown), and they physically beat the crap out of us.
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 12, 2011 11:29:28 GMT -6
The method I like best is for every player to given a folder at the beginning of the season and as plays are installed they are given a handout (insert from playbook). At the HS level I don't think I like the idea of just handing out play books for reasons stated above.
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Post by blb on Dec 12, 2011 11:36:04 GMT -6
Mike Leach doesn't hand out playbooks and he practice 1.5 hours max. I could coach for him. Just so long as you don't "cross swords." Does that 1.5 include Pre-Practice, Warm-up, Conditioning?
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Post by coachplaa on Dec 12, 2011 11:39:12 GMT -6
We do playbooks for our coaches. We do cheat sheets for our players....one page "mini-playbooks" that say just what their position does on each play. We also are using Hudl presentations (slides and video) more and more for each play concept.
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Post by hsrose on Dec 12, 2011 12:01:05 GMT -6
I think generating a playbook is absolutely essential - the process of going through the plays/schemes vs. the defense, when to use it, etc., is much more important than the circles and lines.
We haven't given out playbooks to the players but it is available to those that need to learn from pictures. The coaches are expected to have the playbook and understand it.
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Post by fasterthanthefly on Dec 12, 2011 13:00:14 GMT -6
We also are using Hudl presentations (slides and video) more and more for each play concept. This has always been a question I have meant to ask. How many of you utilize Hudl Presentation Maker for an online playbook?? -No hand outs to lose. -Kids would always know where to look for answers if they had questions. -Suppose it could be compromised if a kid gave a kid from another team his log-in/password?
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Post by whitneymr1 on Dec 12, 2011 13:04:41 GMT -6
We give full playbooks to the QB's only. Other than that, we provide blocking scheme sheets for the o-line.
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Post by 42falcon on Dec 12, 2011 13:18:51 GMT -6
We hand out playbooks and keep them numbered to the kids so we know who has what and if we see them laying around they get picked up.
It is a huge thing for us. We do not give kids scrimmage reps in practice if they don't know their playbook not just their spot but the players around them. It is amazing how fast a kid learns the playbook and uses it when he sits on the sideline while the rest of the guys practice.
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Post by CoachCP on Dec 12, 2011 13:43:01 GMT -6
I think the presentation combined with a workbook is good. Give a presentation, the kids are responsible for filling out the X's and O's for every position. Show them an example with notes and stuff showing them the detail they can put into it if they wish.
Then, quiz them (just parts at a time, not the whole thing). To be on the first string, they need to pass the quiz. To pass the quiz, the day of the quiz they need to turn in their notes and show a good understanding of the plays (I wouldn't use a percentage, just b/c some kids are visual some are not, it's your discretion as the coach depending on the kid).
It's quick. It's simply. It's in their language. On return of the quiz, you can see where everyone is struggling, and see if it was something you did/said based on the notes and such.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Dec 12, 2011 13:51:41 GMT -6
We also are using Hudl presentations (slides and video) more and more for each play concept. This has always been a question I have meant to ask. How many of you utilize Hudl Presentation Maker for an online playbook?? -No hand outs to lose. -Kids would always know where to look for answers if they had questions. -Suppose it could be compromised if a kid gave a kid from another team his log-in/password? We do. I have never been a big hand-out-the-playbook to everyone on the team, although I am very meticulous about having an updated one on file for the coaches. I tend to think of it as a database of possibilities for us...somethign to refer back to when installing things. There are terms and concepts that you may not touch for 10yrs in these playbooks, but on the 11th year you won't have to reinvent the wheel as it's already in there. We currently use Hudl presentations for our playbook concepts. I started by creating an IZ install presentation for RB's and OL, showing clips of my college running it with the different reads etc. It helped GREATLY. I have also created ones for pass pro, OZ, and drill work. The kids actually watch this stuff, I'll show them during meetings, and it has reflected on the field. Of course it could be compromised by exchanging log-ins/passwords with the enemy. Never really worried about that. I would be concerned if you made a presentation about our signals and showed video of them though...
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Post by coachfd on Dec 12, 2011 14:29:45 GMT -6
I think it works well if you give out a playbook with the all the basic information: formations, personnel gourps, blocking schemes, base runs/passes/screens, and also information on Specific Situations, Audibles, etc.
Then, as you go through the season, all the weekly game-planning that you might go over with the team (in a classroom) the players would just take notes of the new plays and new calls, etc.
I think you have to have something tangible, that players can take home and study. It also puts the onus on them, as far as learning the information. That can't say "Well hey, I don't have a playbook, Coach... I can't remember everything just by hearing it once."
What I've done in the past is just have each position-group coach put together a playbook for their position players, put it in a 3-ring notebook, and put loose-leaf paper in it. The quarterbacks get the whole playbook, the receivers get the passing game aspects, the OL/RB's/TE's get the whole run game and parts of the pass game that involve them.
Just like with school, students who have a "textbook" to reference as a resource will have something tangible to look at, whenever they need to, in order to learn the information.
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Post by k on Dec 12, 2011 15:02:37 GMT -6
No one gets the full playbook. In fact there is only one copy of it and it sits in my office at home. The reason? Huge waste of paper. We use only a small fraction of the playbook. Coaches get a shrunken down playbook with our three core series on them and playsheets for all positions. Players get their position's play sheet. QBs get the coach's shrunken playbook minus the technique pages except for the QB one (and whatever other position they play).
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Post by dazzleox on Dec 12, 2011 15:29:16 GMT -6
I've found (adults, not HS students FWIW) that some people actually learn from the playbook while many others don't. Some people are just visual learners. For that reason, I still have a printed playbook for those people even if they may be a minority vs. those who learn better through practice alone.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 12, 2011 16:55:54 GMT -6
I have the students develop their own playbooks through chalk sessions at the beginning of the season. We give them each a folder with formation sheets in it and they jot down everything that we go through in those chalk sessions. This is a far more effective way for the kids to get the information anyway.
I have never handed out playbooks because it's a waste of my energy; the kids leave them laying around or lose them. I don't care about another team getting their hands on it because they will have seen it all on film anyway. Any dad that has an issue can pick up a clipboard and join us. They may end up losing the playbook they develop but at least I know they got SOMETHING out of it by writing it all down.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Dec 12, 2011 17:11:18 GMT -6
I have the students develop their own playbooks through chalk sessions at the beginning of the season. We give them each a folder with formation sheets in it and they jot down everything that we go through in those chalk sessions. This is a far more effective way for the kids to get the information anyway. I have never handed out playbooks because it's a waste of my energy; the kids leave them laying around or lose them. I don't care about another team getting their hands on it because they will have seen it all on film anyway. Any dad that has an issue can pick up a clipboard and join us. They may end up losing the playbook they develop but at least I know they got SOMETHING out of it by writing it all down. How big a difference has this made? I really like the idea of giving the kids a notebook or folder, and have them add to it as we go through the season. Does it significantly increase the "usability" of your not so good players? How much more in rhythm does it put everyone?
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Post by dacoachmo on Dec 13, 2011 6:16:27 GMT -6
The method I like best is for every player to given a folder at the beginning of the season and as plays are installed they are given a handout (insert from playbook). At the HS level I don't think I like the idea of just handing out play books for reasons stated above. We do something similar...make the folder has the binder tab in the middle. If you give the plays a few at a time then it won't overwhelm the players. I have also used notebooks . The players write a play down that has been diagrammed. (writing down information has direct influence on the learning process) Using HUDL and watchgamefilm.com are also a great way to deliver materials without spending type at the copy machine.
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Post by groundchuck on Dec 13, 2011 6:23:36 GMT -6
Some years I do, some years I don't. Some of my assistants are big into handing out playbooks. We seem to get the same results either way. It has more to do with kids getting reps on the field and applying themselves than seeing it on paper IMO.
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 13, 2011 6:52:04 GMT -6
Some years I do, some years I don't. Some of my assistants are big into handing out playbooks. We seem to get the same results either way. It has more to do with kids getting reps on the field and applying themselves than seeing it on paper IMO. I agree. Repping them out in practice is how they learn the plays. Playbooks are really just supplemental for the players. In college, when my coach was installing the plays, he had a very good method. We would first have a "chalk talk" about it like it was Math class. He'd put stuff on the board and describe the play while we looked at that play in our playbooks. He'd show cut ups of the play as well. Then in practice during indy there were a couple periods of position specific work that correlated with that play that each position would do. Then when we got to team time we'd rep the play as a whole unit. I liked how he tied in every possible method of learning, visual, audio, kinesthetic, etc.
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Post by erat76 on Dec 13, 2011 8:15:02 GMT -6
I tried something new this year. I did not give the OL playbooks. I had them copy the plays and their assignments in their own notebook. When we had meetings I went through the plays with them and had them write it down. They were more engaged during the meetings and they asked several good questions. The HC then gave everyone playbooks a week later, but my OL didn't need them. They already had their own.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 13, 2011 8:21:10 GMT -6
I have the students develop their own playbooks through chalk sessions at the beginning of the season. We give them each a folder with formation sheets in it and they jot down everything that we go through in those chalk sessions. This is a far more effective way for the kids to get the information anyway. I have never handed out playbooks because it's a waste of my energy; the kids leave them laying around or lose them. I don't care about another team getting their hands on it because they will have seen it all on film anyway. Any dad that has an issue can pick up a clipboard and join us. They may end up losing the playbook they develop but at least I know they got SOMETHING out of it by writing it all down. How big a difference has this made? I really like the idea of giving the kids a notebook or folder, and have them add to it as we go through the season. Does it significantly increase the "usability" of your not so good players? How much more in rhythm does it put everyone? Yes, it forces them to pay attention during the chalk sessions. Also, they have a decent understanding about what everyone else is doing within a play and that helps.
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Post by Baron55 on Dec 13, 2011 9:53:44 GMT -6
Before we got Hudl I made our defensive playbook on Powerpoint. Not a whole lot of funds to print out a playbook for everyone, plus, as some said, they rarely look at it or lose it. So I just emailed the Powerpoint to all the players to they at least had it on their computer. If they wanted to print it out, fine with me.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 13, 2011 10:27:36 GMT -6
Before we got Hudl I made our defensive playbook on Powerpoint. Not a whole lot of funds to print out a playbook for everyone, plus, as some said, they rarely look at it or lose it. So I just emailed the Powerpoint to all the players to they at least had it on their computer. If they wanted to print it out, fine with me. I hear that... I coached under an HC who handed out playbooks with the understanding that the kids would be punished if they didn't hold on to their playbook. We gave out quizzes to the guys every Thursday and would check to see if they had their playbook. What a PITA. Got really tired of running kids.
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Post by coachtut on Dec 13, 2011 10:29:53 GMT -6
DO NOT GIVE PLAYBOOKS TO YOUR PLAYERS! 1. 99% of those you give it too will look at it for no more than 10 minutes. I never did when my coach gave me a cheat sheet. 2. You run the risk of opponents seeing it (yes, I've heard of players giving it to the other team). We found a playbook from one of our opponents just laying out in front of their HS when we arrived for a game. 3. A majority of teens do what they do best next to lying: losing things 4. You give "football dad's" something else to use against you (they'll find a way). 5. It's just another little stressor you'll have to be on top of and monitor. Number 4 is huge.
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