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Post by banditgsk on Aug 18, 2011 22:23:38 GMT -6
I need your help and comments please. How do you get a coach to calm down during individual and Oklahoma drills when he is trying to get the kids to perform better? This guy is very dedicated, studies the game, and is a line coach. However, when the hitting starts, sometimes he gets very loud and excited as he is instructing the kids on proper technique like how to "move the line of scrimmage" or "get both hands on their breast plate" and "drive, drive, drive your feet". So, how do you teach with great enthusiasm and passion, but stay calm and not yell, hollar, and scream like crazy to get your point across. I would be very interested in learning more on changing this coaching style. Thanks.
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Post by fantom on Aug 18, 2011 22:29:03 GMT -6
Why would you want to change it? I don't think that you have to be loud but some guys are and it works for them. Coaches have to be who they are. If you're not a loud guy that's fine. I don't see why it's a problem if this guy is.
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Post by coachbuck on Aug 18, 2011 22:31:25 GMT -6
I agree fantom sounds like a good coach to me.
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Post by Coach Unk on Aug 18, 2011 23:14:39 GMT -6
Sounds good to me. If that is him being himself, it will never change.
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Post by coachbdud on Aug 19, 2011 0:27:22 GMT -6
To me that is an amazing coach... I am at my best as a coach when I am crazy with energy and as loud as I can be all practice... my team (especially my OL) feed off of it and we play at our best when I am jacked up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2011 6:27:51 GMT -6
I need your help and comments please. How do you get a coach to calm down during individual and Oklahoma drills when he is trying to get the kids to perform better? This guy is very dedicated, studies the game, and is a line coach. However, when the hitting starts, sometimes he gets very loud and excited as he is instructing the kids on proper technique like how to "move the line of scrimmage" or "get both hands on their breast plate" and "drive, drive, drive your feet". So, how do you teach with great enthusiasm and passion, but stay calm and not yell, hollar, and scream like crazy to get your point across. I would be very interested in learning more on changing this coaching style. Thanks. Leave him the he!! alone... Ditto what others said, if you want a dead body out there, then you shouldn't have hired him. I want energy and enthusiasm. How is this negative?  Duece |
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Post by blb on Aug 19, 2011 6:29:03 GMT -6
Coaches obviously need to "be themselves" so long as that doesn't mean being abusive or ineffective.
Enthusiasm is great, essential, contagious.
However if a coach is always yelling and screaming - especially if it's negative - kids will hear only the volume and not the message, i.e. they will tune you out.
We need to think about what we do and say, not be robots. Being cool and calm as opposed to constantly raised voice can be more efficient way of instructing and motivating.
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Post by 19delta on Aug 19, 2011 7:06:16 GMT -6
Enthusiasm = productive
Out of control = counterproductive
There has to be a happy medium.
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Post by fantom on Aug 19, 2011 7:19:16 GMT -6
I agree that constant negative screaming is counterproductive but the OP gave no indication that that was the case with his guy. If that's true I don't see what the problem is.
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Post by blb on Aug 19, 2011 7:26:06 GMT -6
I agree that constant negative screaming is counterproductive but the OP gave no indication that that was the case with his guy. If that's true I don't see what the problem is. I agree too but over the years I have come to realize that it's a long season for everybody and while "nothing is accomplished without enthusiasm," I don't want to leave it on the practice field or be emotionally exhausted by mid-season, either. |
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Post by fantom on Aug 19, 2011 7:35:53 GMT -6
I agree that constant negative screaming is counterproductive but the OP gave no indication that that was the case with his guy. If that's true I don't see what the problem is. I agree too but over the years I have come to realize that it's a long season for everybody and while "nothing is accomplished without enthusiasm," I don't want to leave it on the practice field or be emotionally exhausted by mid-season, either. Yeah, it remains to be seen whether he'll still be hooting and hollering by Columbus Day. |
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Post by casec11 on Aug 19, 2011 9:27:20 GMT -6
he is instructing the kids on proper technique like how to "move the line of scrimmage" or "get both hands on their breast plate" and "drive, drive, drive your feet". Sounds like he is doing his job... with some fire, but the main thing is he is instructing... I see a enthused coach, which is a good thing. |
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Post by cwaltsmith on Aug 19, 2011 9:40:28 GMT -6
I like it. Again as long as he isnt negative, and his intruction is correct, I dont see the problem. Remember, different isnt always wrong.
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Post by fballcoachg on Aug 19, 2011 10:00:08 GMT -6
I can't speak for the OP but I know that even if the "yeller" is mainly positive kids can start to tune them out or get annoyed with it. In some scenarios it fits like hitting drills but if it is all the time it may become counterproductive. The scenario described sounds ok though especially during oklahomas and such.
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Post by John Knight on Aug 19, 2011 10:38:59 GMT -6
WTF?
Maybe we should text the coaching, don't use all caps though!
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by brophy on Aug 19, 2011 10:45:21 GMT -6
while no one can honestly say they would "calm" the coach down, its a matter of message efficiency, maybe
The coach in question
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Post by ajreaper on Aug 19, 2011 12:11:41 GMT -6
I wonder if the coach in question is posting in some other coaches forum asking how to breath some life into the meek and quiet staff he finds himself coaching with.
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Post by Defcord on Aug 19, 2011 12:34:25 GMT -6
I think it is good to have a diverse coaching staff. I think Bear Bryant said that he didn't ever want to hire a coach like him because it would be a waste because he is already that way. We don't all have to be the same on a staff. There is no right way and I think coaches sometimes think that if something is different it is bad (the older I get the more I see this). I would rather err on the side of enthusiasm and excitement than laid back and low key. It sounds as if the coach described is giving good advise so I like a lot of the others don't see the problem.
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Post by silkyice on Aug 19, 2011 12:47:53 GMT -6
I need your help and comments please. How do you get a coach to calm down during individual and Oklahoma drills when he is trying to get the kids to perform better? This guy is very dedicated, studies the game, and is a line coach. However, when the hitting starts, sometimes he gets very loud and excited as he is instructing the kids on proper technique like how to "move the line of scrimmage" or "get both hands on their breast plate" and "drive, drive, drive your feet". So, how do you teach with great enthusiasm and passion, but stay calm and not yell, hollar, and scream like crazy to get your point across. I would be very interested in learning more on changing this coaching style. Thanks. Send him to me! |
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Post by coachguy83 on Aug 19, 2011 14:29:32 GMT -6
while no one can honestly say they would "calm" the coach down, its a matter of message efficiency, maybe The coach in question That guy is a tennis racket away from being the fat Jim Cornette. |
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Post by blb on Aug 19, 2011 14:39:46 GMT -6
If a coach is merely yelling the same phrases when you're in Team he did during Individual (and also not praising) then that is ineffectual coaching.
If a player at POA especially was beaten physically the coach must give him SPECIFIC feedback to construct an improved performance.
Yelling at OL as a Group will not "Get 'er done."
Also, he should be making sure assignments are correct - if players do not know WHO to block, how becomes inconsequential, and "move the line of scrimmage," "get both hands on their breast plate", etc. means little.
Frankly from my experience most OL problems have to do with footwork and knowing assignments.
"Moving the line of scrimmage," etc. will be accomplished if they have good footwork and confidence in where they're going to get it done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2011 15:53:15 GMT -6
while no one can honestly say they would "calm" the coach down, its a matter of message efficiency, maybe The coach in question Nice to see that Sloth from Goonies found a job after his flop as an actor.... Seriously, brophy where do you come up with this sh!t!!!! Duece |
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Post by jlt on Aug 22, 2011 5:24:20 GMT -6
Just to sound like another member of the group.
So long as he is talking to the boys in the right way, and coaching them the right things..... he cant do that as loud or excited as he wants. {censored} he can even do a dance if need be.
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Post by casec11 on Aug 22, 2011 9:40:14 GMT -6
while no one can honestly say they would "calm" the coach down, its a matter of message efficiency, maybe The coach in question Nice to see that Sloth from Goonies found a job after his flop as an actor.... Seriously, brophy where do you come up with this sh!t!!!! Duece I agree, how do you seach for that? lol this guys got a bad case of neck sweat. |
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Post by Coach Bennett on Aug 22, 2011 11:20:42 GMT -6
However, when the hitting starts, sometimes he gets very loud and excited as he is instructing the kids on proper technique like how to "move the line of scrimmage" or "get both hands on their breast plate" and "drive, drive, drive your feet". So, how do you teach with great enthusiasm and passion, but stay calm and not yell, hollar, and scream like crazy to get your point across. I would be very interested in learning more on changing this coaching style. Thanks. Maybe you could have him have a sub ready to go, pull the kid he's overzealously "coaching up" aside, and school him up so the coach isn't a distraction to others out there? |
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Post by airman on Aug 22, 2011 20:21:39 GMT -6
I have found these kind of guys make the best oline coaches. these guys make olineman take pride in what they do. as long as he is not neg all the time I see no problem. to me there is a big difference between a yeller and someone who is just enthusiastic
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Post by airman on Aug 22, 2011 20:24:10 GMT -6
Nice to see that Sloth from Goonies found a job after his flop as an actor.... Seriously, brophy where do you come up with this sh!t!!!! Duece I agree, how do you seach for that? lol this guys got a bad case of neck sweat. He has bad british tell as well. I guess they do not have dental insurance in the south. |
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Post by gdn56 on Aug 22, 2011 21:00:04 GMT -6
Kids can tune out a guy who is even-keel the same way they can tune out a yeller. Comes down to what is being taught. If he is teaching the right stuff and even one kid gets it from him who wouldn't have gotten it presented by someone else, then the guy is worth having around. Also, is he doing this only during one on one type drills, or throughout the day? I could agree that having someone scream for the entirity of my team period while I am trying to call plays could be frustrating, but situationally, I think it would be great!
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Post by jlt on Aug 23, 2011 9:25:09 GMT -6
Hey Air! You do realise that the whole British having bad teeth thing is {censored} right? We have free access to dentists over here.
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Post by flingt on Aug 24, 2011 6:12:02 GMT -6
Maybe he just really likes this quote.
"If you're not fired with enthusiasm, you'll be fired with enthusiasm."
— Vince Lombardi
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