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Post by blb on Jul 31, 2011 7:34:51 GMT -6
First, I'm going into my 37th year coaching, love HS Football. Still have my energy and enthusiasm for it, even after retiring from teaching.
But other day looking through some old stuff - my Senior year (1971) we played our first game September 17, last game November 13 (this was before Michigan began playoffs).
We had one week, maybe two of practice before Labor Day depending on calendar.
Now we start practice August 8, will have played two games before Labor Day and start of school.
Even disregarding conditioning, camps, 7-on-7 and other summer activities - is August 8 (or thereabouts) too early, take up too much of summer?
Or maybe it's just OA.
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Post by silkyice on Jul 31, 2011 7:41:00 GMT -6
I agree.
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Post by bobdoc78 on Jul 31, 2011 8:12:31 GMT -6
August 8th start is crazy. We planned a vacation and are getting back the 9th. I figured practice would start the 15th. I was wrong.
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Post by dc4goons on Jul 31, 2011 8:23:12 GMT -6
We start July 30 in NC. I dont know why they dont push everything back two weeks. All we hear about is player safety and yet we have to practice in 90 plus degree heat. We finished practice yesterday and the temp was near 100.
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Post by fantom on Jul 31, 2011 8:24:27 GMT -6
What can you do about it, though? In Virginia the state championship game was played December 11 last year. If I'm not mistaken there were states that played even later than that.
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jul 31, 2011 8:25:03 GMT -6
We start doubles on Monday, so the first of August. We play our first game on the 26th.
Personally I think that's too early for the start of practice. Three weeks of preseason practice is too much. Ohio used to mandate the first week in August as a "dead week" where you couldn't have anything mandatory for kids (camp days, etc). It was a nice little breather before things got rolling.
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Post by cqmiller on Jul 31, 2011 8:31:59 GMT -6
We play on August 19th... cannot start practices until tomorrow (Aug 1st). Cannot have contact until August 8th. We go 10 weeks plus a 4 game state playoff. 14 week season plus the 2 weeks of 2-a-days.
16 weeks and we are done.
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Post by blb on Jul 31, 2011 8:37:03 GMT -6
What can you do about it, though? In Virginia the state championship game was played December 11 last year. If I'm not mistaken there were states that played even later than that. Short answer, nothing. Whole calendar is based on Thanksgiving - Lions play that day so Ford Field is available Friday-Saturday for championship games. There are five weeks of playoffs (including finals). Teams must have 14 days of practice before first game. Only thing that could shorten season would be cutting back on playoffs and that's not going to happen - MHSAA makes nice chunk of change on each round. And apparently our Football Coaches' Association not in favor either. They were ones that pushed for expansion in 1999.
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Post by khalfie on Jul 31, 2011 8:42:02 GMT -6
Ummm...
Basketball starts in October, so we have to be done in time so they real athletes can play.
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Post by blb on Jul 31, 2011 8:49:09 GMT -6
Ummm... Basketball starts in October, so we have to be done in time so they real athletes can play. I assume you're in Kentucky or Indiana. At least hoops practice doesn't start until mid-November here. Now coaches trying to get kids to "open gyms" or "workouts" different story.
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Post by fantom on Jul 31, 2011 8:51:36 GMT -6
What can you do about it, though? In Virginia the state championship game was played December 11 last year. If I'm not mistaken there were states that played even later than that. Short answer, nothing. Whole calendar is based on Thanksgiving - Lions play that day so Ford Field is available Friday-Saturday for championship games. There are five weeks of playoffs (including finals). Teams must have 14 days of practice before first game. Only thing that could shorten season would be cutting back on playoffs and that's not going to happen - MHSAA makes nice chunk of change on each round. And apparently our Football Coaches' Association not in favor either. They were ones that pushed for expansion in 1999. I can't blame them. Before they expanded the playoffs here there was a team who didn't make it with a 9-1 record. They were talented. They had a legitimate shot of winning it all if they'd been in.
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Post by packattack on Jul 31, 2011 9:00:19 GMT -6
In Mississippi, Private schools started on July 25th with two-a-days! Public schools start tomorrow! First game is scheduled for August 19th! I absolutely think we start too early! Our season is way too long anyway; 11 games with an open date in there!! We get all these lectures about the heat and etc. , but they don't want to even discuss the idea of moving the season back because it messes with basketball season! If safety of the kids is the number one goal, then exhaust every avenue to make it happen!! Sadly, when it all comes down to it, making money is the main goal!
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Post by hamerhead on Jul 31, 2011 9:07:30 GMT -6
We start practice on august 8th, and play our first game on the 26th. Ten game season end the last week of October. Then playoffs are in November. Shortened practice time and a mid week game between rounds 2 and 3 means a state champion contender plays four games in three weeks, before taking the full week to prepare for the title game played either the Friday or Saturday after Thanksgiving.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jul 31, 2011 9:46:29 GMT -6
When do you start school? I'm only 27 but I remember starting school later than we do know, closer to Labor Day but some schools are starting Tuesday around here. I'm pretty sure we had 2 weeks of practice (2 a days) before school started, one week while in school then our first game so by that theory our school is right on track, we start 2 a days tomorrow and have our first game on the 19th. The answer may be in how early school is started now as well as how long playoffs are but to answer the question, yes it is earlier but I'm not sure it is too early. Would be interested to know how many weeks of practice you had before the first game then compared to now.
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Post by blb on Jul 31, 2011 10:03:39 GMT -6
By state law Michigan public schools cannot open until after Labor Day to aid the resort and tourism industry - although starting Football practice a month before and taking several hundred thousand kids, parents, coaches and their families out of the equation would seem counterproductive.
My Senior year was when first three days' practice in helmets and shorts only was mandated. Second week was outside scrimmage, third week first game - same as it is now.
There was a period of time - started in mid or late '80s up until most recent playoff expansion in 1999 - where had option of having the three no-pad days a week earlier followed by two weeks of pre-season (including two outside scrimmages if so chose) before first game week.
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Post by fballcoachg on Jul 31, 2011 11:56:24 GMT -6
We start tomorrow. August 1st. 5 days of no contact, full contact on Saturday, first scrimmage next tuesday. I do think it starts too early, but I give my kids the last week of July off, mandatory no football, no weights, etc. What sucks most about it is I know today is the last day of summer break. I see no reason it couldn't be pushed back 2 weeks. Basketball, baseball and track do not need a whole week between district games and state finals games. IMO anyway. I thought it was only 3 days of no contact but you would know better than me (maybe 3 with no pads, 2 getting used to pads?). If you pushed it back 2 weeks would you have to push the other sports back? Realistically, very few teams run deep into basketball season and not so much down here but when I went to school in Ohio (so I'm assuming the same for Michigan) you would get baseball and other spring sports events canceled or rescheduled anyway because of the weather. The only concern with that would be if the end of spring sports then went into summer. I am a big fan of 3 weeks of practice pre-first game especially when you factor in the no contact days, so 2 weeks to put your system in and 1 "gameday" week but maybe that's because that's what I've always experienced.
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Post by wingtol on Jul 31, 2011 15:28:03 GMT -6
We start Aug 15th full pads First game Sept 2nd. It's about one week before teachers go back in most schools around here and kids start up last week in Aug. The thing everyone is going crazy about here is the length of the season, 16 games if you get to states which is ohhhhhh the week before Christmas! PIAA is looking to loop a week off and shorten the season.
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Post by blb on Jul 31, 2011 16:03:00 GMT -6
In Michigan, if you get to Championship game, season has been 17 weeks (1st day of practice until last game).
Even without summer stuff, that seems a lot for HS kids.
Only eight teams-players-coaches finish season happy out of about 620 - everyone else lost last game or didn't make playoffs.
Not to mention "fans" and their opinion of coaches.
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Post by sandstorm on Jul 31, 2011 18:51:49 GMT -6
No, I don't believe HS Football starts too early. We start August 1st, and have the potential of playing until the week before Xmas. That, at the most, is 4 months of football. For the majority however, they get far more less than that. Football is truly a sport that truly demands year round dedication, i.e. offseason, spring ball, summer work, 7 on 7, ect. Just like with anything, the more you put into it...the more you will get out of it. I would think the better question is.....does HS baseball last too long.
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Post by coachbdud on Jul 31, 2011 20:22:26 GMT -6
Football here in Norcal is pretty much year round... everyone starts off season weights as soon as the season ends.
We have 2 weeks pf spring ball here , mid may-end of may
and in NCS (North Coast Section) there are no rules for practicing, we practice 4 days a week in full gear... but you could practice 10 times a day everyday if you wanted to
No rules until the "official start date" This year that date is August 15th... nothing can be mandatory until then ... but everyone knows it is really mandatory... Do I think it is too much?
Yes.
Is it going to get any better? No, it will only get worse. We get so much practice time and yet teams still cheat... local schools often start spring practice weeks ahead of time... technically no football drills can be done until spring ball starts , it is only supposed to be lifting/running... but this is hard to enforce.
I have even seen some teams recently get AAU football membership for their athletes so they can get away with practicing year round
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Post by Coach Vint on Jul 31, 2011 20:54:47 GMT -6
We start middle school camp tomorrow and our high school kids will start August 8th. Our teacher in-service days start August 10th, but school doesn't start until August 22nd. We have 9 in-service days and only two days of two-a-days.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 31, 2011 21:32:37 GMT -6
We start middle school camp tomorrow and our high school kids will start August 8th. Our teacher in-service days start August 10th, but school doesn't start until August 22nd. We have 9 in-service days and only two days of two-a-days. 9 consecutive days of inservice? 9 7-hour days of inservices?? What is the suicide rate in your district?
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Post by IronmanFootball on Aug 1, 2011 9:29:06 GMT -6
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Post by IronmanFootball on Aug 1, 2011 9:29:45 GMT -6
"Yesterday at 9:54pm, athletic4423 wrote: We start middle school camp tomorrow and our high school kids will start August 8th. Our teacher in-service days start August 10th, but school doesn't start until August 22nd. We have 9 in-service days and only two days of two-a-days. 9 consecutive days of inservice? 9 7-hour days of inservices?? What is the suicide rate in your district? NICE!!
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Post by superpower on Aug 1, 2011 9:43:16 GMT -6
Our first practice will be Aug 15, and our first game will be Sept 2. Final regular season game (9 games) will be Oct 27. Playoffs begin Nov 1, and state championship games are Nov 26.
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Post by pvogel on Aug 1, 2011 10:34:24 GMT -6
I have a couple of buddies startin today. we start wednesday. My problem with this sate (well, one of em. I dont got the time to list everything) is that it goes on too late. Especially for a state without a real state championship. section championships are december 10th or so and the "state chapionship" games are played the weekend before christmas... everyone makes playoffs, it becomes way too long, and at the end you still have the never ending debate of which teams got snubbed. And at a small school like the one im at the sports for next season gets screwed. basketball is missing most of their team until christmas time. Then track gets screwed from basketball playoffs. its a mess.
So i'd way rather have the system like cqmiller does in Utah. He'll be able to come see my teams 1st playoff game this yr after the Utah State champioships have been played! haha
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Post by fantom on Aug 1, 2011 10:53:48 GMT -6
And at a small school like the one im at the sports for next season gets screwed. basketball is missing most of their team until christmas time. Then track gets screwed from basketball playoffs. its a mess. In our area-I'm not sure if the whole state does this- a team can postpone its winter sports until the fall playoffs are done.
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 1, 2011 12:51:59 GMT -6
I used to think you guys were lunatics with your crazy long seasons. It's nice to see that most of you have taken the first step.
In Ontario when I played not so long ago, You started the 2nd day of school, so 2 days after Labour Day, and the entire season lasted 10 weeks. It was just short enough to leave you wanting more, without impinging on every other sport out there.
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Post by fantom on Aug 1, 2011 13:25:24 GMT -6
I used to think you guys were lunatics with your crazy long seasons.quote] LOL. Doesn't mean we're not lunatics.
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Post by Chris Clement on Aug 1, 2011 15:46:00 GMT -6
Certainly not, but at least you can admit it.
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