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Post by coachk007 on Apr 6, 2007 11:01:54 GMT -6
What position should the OC coach? OL? QB? What ever is most comfortable to him?
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Post by crl on Apr 6, 2007 11:26:18 GMT -6
IMHO QB with work with WR/ if passing is number 1---QB/RB if running is what you do best Pass Coordinator/ Run Coordinator added to some teams really helps- The OC- explains the concept he wants and these two do it. Place these two in the Box and then run it from the field. Or Oc and run/pass what ever is the OC strength have the other signal in the call the Run/Pass cord.
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Post by tog on Apr 6, 2007 11:56:31 GMT -6
OL guy. It all starts with what is going on up front. To be up in the box you have to have a good second OL guy on the field that can communicate to the OL though.
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Post by coachsky on Apr 6, 2007 12:14:05 GMT -6
I agree with TOG.
When I was Head Coach / OC of a freshman team a couple years back. I coached line and had 2 others work with Backs, Recievers, and QB.
If you have trouble up front - you have trouble everywhere! Conversely, if things are getting done well up front, you don't need superstars in the backfield to be successful.
I am also most comfortable and knowlegable coaching the Big Guys. That helps.
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Post by CoachJohnsonMN on Apr 6, 2007 14:26:13 GMT -6
I will echo the same believes as TOG & Sky. My feelings are that the best OL guy should coach the OL.
Example: I have been the most knowledgeable OL coach on our staff since I have been here (5 years). We hired a guy after my second year who had no college experience and had played OL in high school. He was not comfortable coaching any other offensive position beside OL, so I had him coach OL and I took the RB's. For the three years that he coached OL, we did not get it done upfront. Once he left, I took the OL and we informed all potential candidates that they would coach RB's. Our running game improved greatly this past season.
Now the moral of the story: Your best OL coach MUST coach the OL. If you, as the offensive coordinator, is the best OL coach, you MUST do it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 15:09:06 GMT -6
I think the OC should simply coach the position he is most comfortable with. It's up the the HC (if different than the OC) to hire the best people for the other spots.
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Post by jjkuenzel on Apr 6, 2007 16:31:38 GMT -6
OC should coach what he is comfortable with. If it is not OL, then you had better have a good OL coach.
Just a personal aside, but if the OC is going to coach the OL because that is what he knows and is best at then he had better know his sh!t about QB play too. I played for a guy like that and there was nothing more frustrating than him being unable to communicate and teach exactly what he wanted.
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Post by patrice on Apr 6, 2007 16:45:57 GMT -6
I like to coach the Q.B. when I'm the O.C. because I'm the person ke talk first when he's at the bench.I know how he fell, what he see... Since he's the coach on the field I want to be sure what's going to happen .
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Post by coachjblair on Apr 6, 2007 17:44:55 GMT -6
I personlt think the OC should have a somewhat easy postion to coach or no postion at all that way he can keep his eye on the entier offense.
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Post by information on Apr 6, 2007 18:53:38 GMT -6
OC...shouldn't coach a position but oversee the whole process....know a few schools that do this.....if he has to Coach a Position QB or OL....
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 6, 2007 18:55:41 GMT -6
Let's breakdown the duties of the "offensive coordinator":
1> plan practices 2> play caller on game days
3> we could list several others .... but NONE of them are so dependent on a guy coaching one specific position. don't read too much into what position a guy coaches vs his "ability" to coordinate an offense.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2007 19:39:16 GMT -6
For most small schools, having an OC not coach a specific position would be hard to do. I do like that option/situation the best though.
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Post by coachdawhip on Apr 6, 2007 19:49:27 GMT -6
because I believe that in my system OL is the most important position, If I don't have one it's me. If so then WB's
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Post by coachf on Apr 6, 2007 20:05:38 GMT -6
Everywhere around here the OC is usually the HC and a position coach. We are way to poor to pay such specialization.
Last year as OC, I coached the OL. I will move back to my natural place with QB&RB this year. I don't think there is a specific spot for an OC. I basically move where I feel the biggest need is. In a perfect world, I wouldn't coach a position, I would mill around to each area throughout practice.
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Post by warrior53 on Apr 7, 2007 6:29:00 GMT -6
If the OC is running a system that is pass happy he should be with the quarterbacks - he wants him to think a certain way - like him!! He needs to be around him. If the quarterback is not making that many decisions then it really doesn't matter.
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Post by coachcalande on Apr 7, 2007 8:58:48 GMT -6
oline, not a question in my mind about that. if the schemes arent coached up right up front...doesnt matter what else is going on...
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Post by Coach Huey on Apr 7, 2007 9:11:57 GMT -6
seems like people are under the assumption that the offensive coordinator is the best coach (teacher of skills/schemes) on the staff. perhaps, but not necessarily true. the coordinating duties are not to be the guru of the offense, but to coordinate the offense. what does that mean? plan, delegate, script, call plays. heck, where does it say he needs to coach a specific position?
example: team A's oc coaches oline (because that is what the HC believes). he leaves to take a hc job with team B. Who's the new oc for team A? hire a new OL coach and give him the oc title? give the oc job to the long-time qb coach? make the qb coach go coach the OL (which he's never done) because he's gonna be the new oc?
when deciding "who" your coordinator should be, don't look at what position he coaches. look at what skills he has.
who can be a leader?
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Post by coachbw on Apr 7, 2007 9:25:22 GMT -6
I agree with what many have said. I would like to have the OC coach O-Line if he is the best line coach we have. Otherwise I really like to have him with the QB's because he is then a part of both the inside hull and skelly periods which I think is important.
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Post by cbrown18 on Apr 7, 2007 13:33:29 GMT -6
Its been my experience the OC, and DC for that matter, should understand each position fundamentally and technically and be able to support coach with the positional coach based on experience in coaching the majority of the positions if not all at some point during their career.
Just as importantly, the coordinator should be able to effectively develop a game plan based on the combination of offensive philosophy and what the opponent presents. Then develop a practice plan to further hone the final game plan as seen in practice and further film study. The coordinator needs to be a master at the game of strategy, a leader and effective communicator finally but not least, a motivator to all on the team, in every position.
Long of it is, the coordinator should be able to coach every position... if given a choice obviously which ever they are most comfortable with. I don't believe they have to coach one position over another based on philosophy, although I can certainly understand that. But I want my coordinators to be able to "guide" and "add value" as a coach 1st during indy, small and large group and team periods outside of their given position.
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Post by flycoach on Apr 7, 2007 14:14:31 GMT -6
Not to say the OC shouldn't know the fundamentals because he should, but I coached with two people who have a combined 40+ years of experience in coaching football last year. Both of these fine gentlemen know how to coach the fundys but neither one of them "got it" when it came to game planning and calling a game. By the end of the year the Head Coach pulled me aside and I was calling plays for the last two games and he has committed to me that I am his O.C. for at least the next couple of years (I'll be 25 when the season starts). I work REALLY hard at reviewing game tape, books, whatever...... so that I understand "what moves the football with the personnel we have".
So in closing the O.C. shouldn't necessarily have to coach or specialize in one position. I believe it is more important that he "GETS IT" if you know what I mean.
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Post by touchdowng on Apr 8, 2007 19:17:40 GMT -6
coachbw hits it on the head. The OC needs to see enough group practice that he can oversee that things are going the way he wants them to before getting to team period.
If your OC is your best OL coach, that's a pretty good set up and your OLINE will have some attitude. No doubt about it.
I'm HC/OC and coach QB's but I can get to all phases of practice but can see some really great advantages of being the OL guy. I have a great OL guy so I'll stay put for now.
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Post by midlineqb on Apr 8, 2007 21:19:17 GMT -6
Coach Huey has the correct answer imho. the coordinator does more than just coach a position. He has a great responsibility in game planning, setting up practice schedules, etc.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 8, 2007 21:43:31 GMT -6
Coach Huey is correct. Position is pretty irrelevant in coordinating. What I DO think is important is that the coordinator should be able to coach each position fundamentally, and scheme wise.
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Post by spreadattack on Apr 10, 2007 17:31:23 GMT -6
One thing that bears noting that if you say OL is the most important position, maybe that means that your OC (or HC) should NOT coach OL because they necessarily will be distracted by other duties and positions. During team practice the OC has to focus on the whole offense, and may not be able to always closely watch his OL.
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Post by dcwar on Apr 10, 2007 20:58:19 GMT -6
I think it depends on what level and system you coach. There arent that many college coordinators that coach the oline. The reason for this is that it is hard to do both. If they are one of these OC/OL guys then they most assuredly have an assistant line coach. Keeping track of upwards of 15 players and coordinating an offense? In high school I think being a OC/OL is preferable if that is where your comfort level is because most HS teams are run oriented. If they are a spread team I would say the OC should be the QB coach if that is where his comfort level is.
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Post by nkcoach on Apr 11, 2007 8:54:46 GMT -6
O-line. If you have a good O-line coach, or anyone that can coach the o-line well, put them there. You best O-line coach might be coaching WR's right now. Move him to O-line coach! You gotta get it done up front or everything else falls apart.
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Post by optionguy on Apr 11, 2007 11:32:12 GMT -6
Depends on the other o-coaches, who should cooach the position they best know, and you, the OC, should coach what they don't.
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Post by splitricky5 on Apr 11, 2007 12:11:36 GMT -6
IMO has to be the QB coach. Everything is going through the QB on the field. I want my signal caller communicating with the QB on every play. My opinion
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Post by begreat on Apr 12, 2007 22:15:30 GMT -6
Our OC will do OLine or have no exact position. I will coach QB's but i'm pretty much the passing game coordinator with him controlling what happens with the run. I do think the OC should do OLine or QB because thats where it starts...
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Post by lsrood on Apr 13, 2007 6:25:39 GMT -6
I'm the HC & OC and don't coach a position because I am fortunate enough to have enough quality coaches to handle the individual positions. This allows me to float during practice and check on how everything is going. To me that is the ideal way to do it, but if I had to coach a position I would choose QB or OL.
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