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Post by k on Feb 8, 2011 14:40:44 GMT -6
But, I have yet to meet an over-weight coach who was anal about dress codes Yeah? Scroll up... =)
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Post by shamespiral on Feb 12, 2011 12:01:04 GMT -6
This thread is very interesting... Like many other threads, when you are not the head coach you dont really get it. When you become the guy in charge your whole perspective changes. I once worked for a guy who made every coach match every single day. I didnt get it. In fact I thought it was silly. He never provided a reason we just had to do it. Well... now I'm on the other side of the coin. And now I get it. We expect certain things from the kids. We expect a team first attitude. We want the individual to be minimized. We have to model that for the kids. One of the simplest ways to do that is in the coaches clothes.
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Post by k on Feb 12, 2011 15:43:45 GMT -6
This thread is very interesting... Like many other threads, when you are not the head coach you dont really get it. When you become the guy in charge your whole perspective changes. I once worked for a guy who made every coach match every single day. I didnt get it. In fact I thought it was silly. He never provided a reason we just had to do it. Well... now I'm on the other side of the coin. And now I get it. We expect certain things from the kids. We expect a team first attitude. We want the individual to be minimized. We have to model that for the kids. One of the simplest ways to do that is in the coaches clothes. I've been an assistant coach and I've been a head coach. At no time have I ever had the desire to tell people what to wear. "We want the individual to be minimized." Uggg. Someone got Confucius instead of the Enlightenment...
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Post by blb on Feb 12, 2011 16:21:38 GMT -6
If you have school T-shirts, pullovers, shorts, etc. - why wouldn't you wear them to practice?
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Post by larrymoe on Feb 13, 2011 11:57:33 GMT -6
nd I've been a head coach. At no time have I ever had the desire to tell people what to wear. "We want the individual to be minimized." Uggg. Someone got Confucius instead of the Enlightenment... Exactly. What you are wearing at practice (as long as it is not another program's gear) has ABSOLUTELY NO bearing on the success of your program or the actions of your kids. You may think it does, but it doesn't. In my experience, dress codes for coaches is done for only one reason- to please the head coach's ego that he's in charge. BTW- I am a HC.
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Post by shamespiral on Feb 13, 2011 14:20:32 GMT -6
That's the way I see it. I want the coaches to look the same. We ask the kids to all be dressed the same way. Just holding the adults to the same standard we hold the kids.
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Feb 15, 2011 10:39:42 GMT -6
CB, that's because once you get a little age on you, it's a little clearer what is important and NOT important. BTW, did y'all look like giant Easter eggs in those colors?
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Post by coachcb on Feb 15, 2011 10:53:19 GMT -6
CB, that's because once you get a little age on you, it's a little clearer what is important and NOT important. BTW, did y'all look like giant Easter eggs in those colors? You have no idea, my friend... The "gold" ones are particularly atrocious. We wore them once and looked like something out of a Sesame Street nightmare. Although, I will say that I do find the way we dress important. But, just not enough to confront my staff over. One guy graduated from Oregon and he's a die-hard Duck fan. I would have had a riot on my hands if I told him he couldn't wear his Duck gear to practice the week they played Stanford.
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Post by tractor on Feb 15, 2011 11:22:01 GMT -6
nd I've been a head coach. At no time have I ever had the desire to tell people what to wear. "We want the individual to be minimized." Uggg. Someone got Confucius instead of the Enlightenment... Exactly. What you are wearing at practice (as long as it is not another program's gear) has ABSOLUTELY NO bearing on the success of your program or the actions of your kids. You may think it does, but it doesn't. In my experience, dress codes for coaches is done for only one reason- to please the head coach's ego that he's in charge. BTW- I am a HC. Just wondering if anybody here has seen a gang? How did you identify them? What made them a "gang"? I don't think it is a stretch to say that a team, a gang, or a corporate "culture" are analogous. They all have identifiable characteristics that signal to an outsider that they are a collective. Now whether you find value in, or choose to prioritize these identifiers (appearance) within your program is another story. But to simply shout out a conclusion that they "ABSOLUTELY" have no purpose in the formation of a team seems inconsistent. Seriously, look up the definition of UNIFORM - of single form. Of single form? Sounds a heck of a lot like a great definition of TEAM. (Guy named Dorfman wrote a great book that included an essay on this concept).
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Post by coachcb on Feb 15, 2011 11:41:52 GMT -6
Exactly. What you are wearing at practice (as long as it is not another program's gear) has ABSOLUTELY NO bearing on the success of your program or the actions of your kids. You may think it does, but it doesn't. In my experience, dress codes for coaches is done for only one reason- to please the head coach's ego that he's in charge. BTW- I am a HC. Just wondering if anybody here has seen a gang? How did you identify them? What made them a "gang"? I don't think it is a stretch to say that a team, a gang, or a corporate "culture" are analogous. They all have identifiable characteristics that signal to an outsider that they are a collective. Now whether you find value in, or choose to prioritize these identifiers (appearance) within your program is another story. But to simply shout out a conclusion that they "ABSOLUTELY" have no purpose in the formation of a team seems inconsistent. Seriously, look up the definition of UNIFORM - of single form. Of single form? Sounds a heck of a lot like a great definition of TEAM. (Guy named Dorfman wrote a great book that included an essay on this concept). The major point of contention isn't whether or not it's important, but whether it's important enough to develop a policy. You've got the school coaching gear, then it makes sense to wear it to practice. IMO, putting a strict practice dress code in place would make my life harder as an HC. We do have a dress code but it's common sense; wear functional athletic gear so you can demonstrate and coach. But, I am practical. Honestly, I just won't buy anymore practice gear for the guys if they don't want to wear it to practice. I'll just buy enough for myself and the game polos. I won't waste the money.I doubt it would ever come to that, and if it did, they'd change their tunes.
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Post by tractor on Feb 15, 2011 11:56:30 GMT -6
Very much agree coach. There are bigger fish to fry first.
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Post by mattharris75 on Feb 15, 2011 20:41:15 GMT -6
"Don't major in the minors."
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Post by phantom on Feb 15, 2011 22:47:17 GMT -6
That's the way I see it. I want the coaches to look the same. We ask the kids to all be dressed the same way. Just holding the adults to the same standard we hold the kids. Not to pick a fight but I have an honest question: what do you do if your best, most experienced assistant doesn't have the uniform of the day? It's not a revolt. He grabbed the wrong shirt from home or it's in the laundry. What do you do?
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Post by coachcb on Feb 16, 2011 8:02:00 GMT -6
That's the way I see it. I want the coaches to look the same. We ask the kids to all be dressed the same way. Just holding the adults to the same standard we hold the kids. Not to pick a fight but I have an honest question: what do you do if your best, most experienced assistant doesn't have the uniform of the day? It's not a revolt. He grabbed the wrong shirt from home or it's in the laundry. What do you do? I've obviously never been in the situation you described above, but, as I posted earlier, I did have to send an assistant home to get his athletic shoes. Doing so was a pain in the a--, it screwed up practice and p-ssed me off because we had been over this in the limited(but specific) "dress code" policy I have. I would have had less of a problem had he been running late and had his dress shoes on from work (happened to me once, now I always carry tennis shoes in the car) but he was wearing flip-flops... So, I don't even want to attempt to enforce anything past what I already have in place.
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Post by shamespiral on Feb 17, 2011 21:51:48 GMT -6
That's the way I see it. I want the coaches to look the same. We ask the kids to all be dressed the same way. Just holding the adults to the same standard we hold the kids. Not to pick a fight but I have an honest question: what do you do if your best, most experienced assistant doesn't have the uniform of the day? It's not a revolt. He grabbed the wrong shirt from home or it's in the laundry. What do you do? mmmmm.... good question... hasnt come up yet. lol.
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Post by jm on Feb 18, 2011 8:14:42 GMT -6
Not to pick a fight but I have an honest question: what do you do if your best, most experienced assistant doesn't have the uniform of the day? It's not a revolt. He grabbed the wrong shirt from home or it's in the laundry. What do you do? I've obviously never been in the situation you described above, but, as I posted earlier, I did have to send an assistant home to get his athletic shoes. Doing so was a pain in the a--, it screwed up practice and p-ssed me off because we had been over this in the limited(but specific) "dress code" policy I have. I would have had less of a problem had he been running late and had his dress shoes on from work (happened to me once, now I always carry tennis shoes in the car) but he was wearing flip-flops... So, I don't even want to attempt to enforce anything past what I already have in place. Coach, With all due respect it sounds like your dress-code just f**ked up practice. Or, to put it another way, dress code trumps practice time.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 18, 2011 8:37:12 GMT -6
I've obviously never been in the situation you described above, but, as I posted earlier, I did have to send an assistant home to get his athletic shoes. Doing so was a pain in the a--, it screwed up practice and p-ssed me off because we had been over this in the limited(but specific) "dress code" policy I have. I would have had less of a problem had he been running late and had his dress shoes on from work (happened to me once, now I always carry tennis shoes in the car) but he was wearing flip-flops... So, I don't even want to attempt to enforce anything past what I already have in place. Coach, With all due respect it sounds like your dress-code just f**ked up practice. Or, to put it another way, dress code trumps practice time. It did in this instance and it's the reason why I don't have a strict dress code. But, I do demand that my guys wear athletic gear of some kind to practice. If he were wearing jeans and a tennis shoes, I would have let it slide and just reminded him that he needed to be in athletic gear. He can still demonstrate in jeans. But, flip-flops are an entirely different; you're not real functional when with sandals on.
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Post by newhc on Feb 20, 2011 14:14:38 GMT -6
I guess for coaches, I have the same rule as the kids. You must wear school colors. I did not require that it is an logoed shirt, but don't wear a green t-shirt when our colors are blue and orange. But that doesn't mean you can not wear white.
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Post by shamespiral on Feb 20, 2011 21:23:02 GMT -6
I guess it all comes down to what you make important in your program... For us, it matters... But I imgaine there are plenty of things in our program that we don't care about that other people put at the top of the priority list.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 20, 2011 21:57:27 GMT -6
I guess it all comes down to what you make important in your program... For us, it matters... But I imgaine there are plenty of things in our program that we don't care about that other people put at the top of the priority list. My philosophy might evolve, who knows. I am working with a VERY young staff right now and there's a lot of stress on them as is. I am a demanding HC in a lot of ways. When I want something done, I want it done now and I want it done correctly (i.e. my way). I'm not a dictator about things; my guys and I have a good relationship. But, I set the standards incredibly high when it comes to technique, practice time, practice efficiency, etc.. Especially for a green staff. It took my staff awhile to get used to the tempo at which I run practices; during ___ period, we have ___ minutes, and I demand ____ reps out of each kid. They used to look at me funny when I would tell them to find a way to double the amount of reps they were getting in a drill. So, I stay pretty laid back about a lot of other things. It's a lot of compromise. I don't feel that I could be the royal hard a-- I am during practice and then lay down a strict dress code.
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