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Post by fishon37 on Jan 28, 2011 16:56:09 GMT -6
Have always had our practice clothes and game game clothes purchased for the staff along with cold weather stuff(Texas)....you wear what was issued....did work for a guy that had everbody wear the same colored practice shirt for each day of the week...(mon black,tues red,weds white etc)...All the places I worked from varsity down to jr high was given the same practice clothes...
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Post by TMGPG on Jan 28, 2011 17:14:41 GMT -6
I like the idea of a dress code in a way. It shows that you are just as demanding on the staff as you are on the players. That no one gets a free pass and that we are all in this together. I think that it sends a good message.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 28, 2011 22:57:44 GMT -6
What if they wore a college shirt not one from your HS program? Good question. We have more than enough coaches gear (shirts, sweats, etc) to not have to wear a promotional shirt for another school, college or pro team. We have one day where we have "throwback" day during homecoming week when all of the players and coaches can whatever they choose to show support for a former school or program at practice. This gets it out of everyone's system and is pretty fun. Other than this day it's all our program 100% of the time when we are on the field.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 29, 2011 9:58:43 GMT -6
I like the idea of a dress code in a way. It shows that you are just as demanding on the staff as you are on the players. That no one gets a free pass and that we are all in this together. I think that it sends a good message. So, if your staff's attire isn't coordinated then they're getting a "free pass"? A "free pass" for what?? So, if they're wearing college gear because their alma mater is playing that week, they're getting a "free pass"? Yeah, I generally wear my school gear to practice and so do my assistants. BUT, it's out of simple convenience; we toss that stuff in our coaching lockers. I'm not going to make a conscious effort to enforce a "dress code" for practice. I think I'll focus on the important things; like actually coaching and preparing for that week's game.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 29, 2011 11:48:34 GMT -6
CB There is nothing wrong with setting a standard. Doesn't mean other things (like coaching) go out the door. I don't believe anybody has implied that at all.
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Post by champ93 on Jan 29, 2011 11:54:50 GMT -6
I've never had an issue with this. I provide many T-shirts and at least one pair of shorts/year. When in gets cold it's everyman for himself.
Not really an issue, but I do have one guy that constantly cuts his sleeves off his shirts. His gun show is nothing be impressed by unless you like hairy shoulders.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 29, 2011 13:43:44 GMT -6
CB There is nothing wrong with setting a standard. Doesn't mean other things (like coaching) go out the door. I don't believe anybody has implied that at all. There's an issue when said standard has nothing to do with the success of a program. And, when I, as the HC have to enforce uphold the standard and that involves unnecessary confrontations with the staff. It is a waste of time and energy to uphold a standard that isn't practical. Yeah, I prefer my staff wear our school gear but I'm sure as hell not going to put in my policy book and harp on them about it. I'm going to focus my time and energy on standards that are going to produce results. Before my current gig, I coached under an HC that didn't even have a firm dress code for games; he just expected us to use common sense, wear school colors and look respectable on the sidelines. That program hasn't had a losing season in 16 years. He wore jeans to a playoff game where we routed the winningest team in the history of the state. No one ever questioned the toughness of our kids or their commitment because didn't color-coordinate on the sidelines. He would have laughed at a dress code at practice. I do have expectations of my staff on game day; one of our three polos, slacks of some kind and tennis shoes. But, there is a big difference between game day and practice. One assistant showed up to a practice wearing open toed sandals and I sent him home. But it wasn't because I felt like playing Tyra Banks; he couldn't demonstrate the skills. It never happened again.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jan 29, 2011 15:29:17 GMT -6
One assistant showed up to a practice wearing open toed sandals and I sent him home. But it wasn't because I felt like playing Tyra Banks; he couldn't demonstrate the skills. It never happened again. Would you have had to send him home (and have a presumably lesser practice that day) had you communicated this before hand with such a policy?
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Post by coachcb on Jan 30, 2011 18:03:40 GMT -6
One assistant showed up to a practice wearing open toed sandals and I sent him home. But it wasn't because I felt like playing Tyra Banks; he couldn't demonstrate the skills. It never happened again. Would you have had to send him home (and have a presumably lesser practice that day) had you communicated this before hand with such a policy? It is in our policy and he knew before this happened. My staff knows that I expect them to wear athletic shoes and gear to practice. Maybe, in definition, it is a "dress code". But, to me, it's simple common sense. They need to be able to demonstrate skills and, as such, they need athletic attire on. A part of me takes an issue with the dress codes as describes above because I worked under an HC who was a hard a-- about this stuff. He's an officer in the Army Reserves and had a "dress code" policy that was a page long. He actually went so far as to suggest that we all get "high and tight", military style hair cuts in this policy. I understand wanting your staff to have their hair trimmed above their ears and have never taken an issue with this. He was even a royal pain about facial hair; three of us on staff had goatees or beards (well kept) and he demanded that we all shave. One guy had been coaching for about 20 years; he laughed at him and it was dropped. Wearing school colors wasn't good enough; he wanted us in school polos and we needed to "match". Needless to say, none of this sh-t lasted very long but there were a lot of needless conflicts over really small, issues. As an assistant, I didn't like having my time wasted in a "staff meeting" that revolved around his dress code. His entire staff quit on him after three years.
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Post by emptybackfield on Jan 30, 2011 18:22:45 GMT -6
I certainly didn't expect the thread to generate this much discussion, but I'm glad it did. I guess the word "code" might be better served changed to "expectations". I was just curious what the expectations were as far as what gear is worn at practice, etc. Sounds like most of you don't give much thought to it, but expect your coaches to wear something that promotes the program and use common sense when it comes to pants and shoes.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 30, 2011 23:05:09 GMT -6
CB There is nothing wrong with setting a standard. Doesn't mean other things (like coaching) go out the door. I don't believe anybody has implied that at all. There's an issue when said standard has nothing to do with the success of a program. And, when I, as the HC have to enforce uphold the standard and that involves unnecessary confrontations with the staff. It is a waste of time and energy to uphold a standard that isn't practical. Yeah, I prefer my staff wear our school gear but I'm sure as hell not going to put in my policy book and harp on them about it. I'm going to focus my time and energy on standards that are going to produce results. Before my current gig, I coached under an HC that didn't even have a firm dress code for games; he just expected us to use common sense, wear school colors and look respectable on the sidelines. That program hasn't had a losing season in 16 years. He wore jeans to a playoff game where we routed the winningest team in the history of the state. No one ever questioned the toughness of our kids or their commitment because didn't color-coordinate on the sidelines. He would have laughed at a dress code at practice. I do have expectations of my staff on game day; one of our three polos, slacks of some kind and tennis shoes. But, there is a big difference between game day and practice. One assistant showed up to a practice wearing open toed sandals and I sent him home. But it wasn't because I felt like playing Tyra Banks; he couldn't demonstrate the skills. It never happened again. That's fair. We can just agree to disagree and put our records up there to show we're both right. I've had two losing records in the last 20. LOL. For me it isn't a W-L thing at all. It's about doing all of the little things right. We don't have great talent and we have to do things exactly right to keep our post-season streak alive and to send our players (and coaches) the message we need to send.
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Post by coachcb on Jan 31, 2011 11:50:46 GMT -6
Touchdowng,
That works for me; to each their own.
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Post by Chris Clement on Jan 31, 2011 12:30:00 GMT -6
That was astonishingly mature... Seriously, on the internet that would usually descend into a petty squabble. Good for us coaches.
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Post by ajreaper on Jan 31, 2011 12:37:01 GMT -6
I believe in hooking up my coaches every opportunity I get- if I order for the kids I order for the coaches, if the kids are selling gear to earn their gear all the coaches can order for themselves and family at cost. I wish I could give them more then I already do but the way budgets have been lately we pretty much have to be damn near self funding so I am not able to give them more. As far as requiring it- if they have it they'll wear it on their own I don't need to "make them".
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 31, 2011 20:10:35 GMT -6
That was astonishingly mature... Seriously, on the internet that would usually descend into a petty squabble. Good for us coaches. coachcb is legit. He writes some great posts as do many of the regulars on this site. No reason to go beyond the debate. Thanks for acknowledging this.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 1, 2011 11:26:11 GMT -6
That was astonishingly mature... Seriously, on the internet that would usually descend into a petty squabble. Good for us coaches. coachcb is legit. He writes some great posts as do many of the regulars on this site. No reason to go beyond the debate. Thanks for acknowledging this. Thanks boss, but I don't even coach football. I'm a 59 year old house wife who read "Coaching Football For Dummies" and watches a lot of ESPN. But, in all seriousness, there are threads on here that turn into raging p-ssing matches and I'm as guilty as anyone else of instigating some of them. There is a point where you just concede to the fact that there's more than one way to skin a cat.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 1, 2011 11:31:57 GMT -6
I believe in hooking up my coaches every opportunity I get- if I order for the kids I order for the coaches, if the kids are selling gear to earn their gear all the coaches can order for themselves and family at cost. I wish I could give them more then I already do but the way budgets have been lately we pretty much have to be {censored} near self funding so I am not able to give them more. As far as requiring it- if they have it they'll wear it on their own I don't need to "make them". I hear you there... I need to talk to my AD about getting coaching gear right now. We've got extra cash because we didn't use one of our coaching stipends this last year and I need that money for stuff. I don't ask for much in terms of equipment but we need to pick up more clothing for the staff and the kids.
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Post by gulfcoastoffense on Feb 2, 2011 20:36:21 GMT -6
I'm seeing some interesting responses. More than I would have thought. Any time I've ever coached, we were provided new practice gear before each fall, so I would accumulate enough clothes to have team gear every practice. I'm a shortsleeve jacket wearing type guy. I always wear the shorts provided and the shortsleeve pullover and a visor. As far as cell phones, mine stays in my locker during practice and for home games. On away games, I keep it in my bag along with any other valuables and take it to and from the box with me.
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Post by dacoordinator on Feb 3, 2011 11:15:07 GMT -6
we do not have a specific dress code on the practice field but most of the coaches know to wear clothing that promotes the program. As far as college or professional teams we do not make a big deal out of that. Especially if its official team gear. The kids question and admire, the gear you have from programs and get want to get some official gear of their own. Promoting college programs can be good as well. But promoting other programs at the same level is not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 11:27:42 GMT -6
I agree with the above. I watched a little bit of that ESPN show that went "behind the scenes" with Saban and Alabama. If I recall correctly, the 'Bama coaches all wore 'Bama gear but not identical gear. If it works for their staff, good enough for my staff if I ever become a HC!
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Post by phantom on Feb 3, 2011 12:10:25 GMT -6
I agree with the above. I watched a little bit of that ESPN show that went "behind the scenes" with Saban and Alabama. If I recall correctly, the 'Bama coaches all wore 'Bama gear but not identical gear. If it works for their staff, good enough for my staff if I ever become a HC! Great idea if you can do it like "Bama does- have Nike provide new stuff in the coaches's lockers every day.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 12:37:01 GMT -6
That might be a potential stumbling block, but I'm sure my coaches won't mind using their stipend to purchase their own Nike gear
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Post by Defcord on Feb 3, 2011 20:26:37 GMT -6
My expectations for myself, my staff, and my kids is school attire or colors and black or gray so they get White, Green, Black, and Gray or any clothing within an organization (sometimes school clubs will have weird colors). Any item of clothing with a non-school logo bigger than 2inches squared has to be turned inside out. I am at an inner city school and have not had any problems. We also wear all t-shirts tucked in. Our kids love this and take pride in looking like a team.
After reading some of the posts here...I think my expectations seem a lot more stern than they are. My kids are in a school where team mates have bickered and argued with themselves and coaches. They feel like this keeps them together as a unit and I agree with them. I have discussed with my seniors if they would like to go away from this or change it and they do not want to. And to me I want to hold my coaches and myself to any standards or expectations I hold my kids to. I have never had to battle with any of this.
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Post by Coach Huey on Feb 3, 2011 21:57:34 GMT -6
That might be a potential stumbling block, but I'm sure my coaches won't mind using their stipend to purchase their own Nike gear well, every so often people have to buy clothes. at least my stuff eventually wears out, fades, gets stains, etc. I like russell brand shorts, shirts .. i like underarmour, etc. I'm going to buy a couple of things through the course of my life. so, when i go to academy or dicks or wherever looking for shirts -- shirts i need anyway -- i just buy school colors. now, i can wear a red underarmour shirt to practice. or i can wear some black russell shorts. these supplement our practice gear. note ... when buying for no purpose, stick to grey, white, black.... these colors will work at pretty much any school... lol
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Post by coachcb on Feb 4, 2011 8:50:56 GMT -6
That might be a potential stumbling block, but I'm sure my coaches won't mind using their stipend to purchase their own Nike gear well, every so often people have to buy clothes. at least my stuff eventually wears out, fades, gets stains, etc. I like russell brand shorts, shirts .. i like underarmour, etc. I'm going to buy a couple of things through the course of my life. so, when i go to academy or dicks or wherever looking for shirts -- shirts i need anyway -- i just buy school colors. now, i can wear a red underarmour shirt to practice. or i can wear some black russell shorts. these supplement our practice gear. note ... when buying for no purpose, stick to grey, white, black.... these colors will work at pretty much any school... lol Unless your school colors are purple (d-mn near pastel..) and gold (bright yellow). I kid you not; ugliest colors I've ever seen. All of our gear next year will be white or black with the school mascot on there some where.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Feb 7, 2011 19:40:27 GMT -6
We pretty much wore whatever for practice. I was usually in a polo and khaki shorts, or mesh shorts and tennis shoes. Games, ... we talked before the season and agree'd to wear Khaki Pants/shorts (if hot), and our Black Polo's which the Head Coach provided for us. That was it as far as how much effort we put into it. We were far more concerned with coaching up players than how we looked.
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Post by coachplaa on Feb 7, 2011 20:38:32 GMT -6
I always make sure to provide our coaches with extra practice t-shirts. I think most coaches have closets full of t-shirts from previous years, so I try to backfill a new coach's wardrobe. We share a staff polo, and will try to buy a jacket, or shoes, or sweatshirt; every other year. For games I only require our staff wear the staff polo, light colored pants or shorts, and light colored shoes. For practice, I just ask them to wear something for our school; or something collegiate, which I can't find anything wrong with promoting any university.
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Post by redbug on Feb 8, 2011 10:22:02 GMT -6
This is a good topic, kinda makes me laugh about some of the stuff I have worn. My first school the head coach got us all two pair of shorts had side pockets and a pocket in the back. We also received 4 school tee shirts as well as our two game shirts.
My current school we got 4 tee shirts our first two years then we started getting only 2 per year since. We have a small stock pile so I end up wearing a bobcat tee-shirt everyday whether under something or as my shirt for the day. We got one pair of shorts our first year with no pockets, the super stretchy mesh material from nike and to be honest I can't stand the stuff. We have gotten a total of 3 pair of shorts in the past 5 years so I rarely wear mine. I end up wearing khaki shorts more so than anything.
About the open toe sandals....in the summer I am up here by myself, I will wear something comfortable in the weight room which is generally a pair of flip-flops, when I get on the practice field I generally go bare footed. Even during season more often than not I am barefooted on the practice field. The exception is when there is a heavy rain because the fire ants come out.
As for my coaches, I have one who is a rabid hog fan and will wear a hog shirt once a week, then I have an old man who will wear a game shirt from previous years because he likes to have a collar, my last coach just graduated from UCA and will wear his bear stuff from time to time.
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Post by coachks on Feb 8, 2011 12:06:47 GMT -6
I find the idea of a "dress code" for practice almost laughable. Coaching a practice is a lot like manual labor. Show up in whatever you're willing to get sweaty and lets you get the job done. Half-way through a 2-a-day, clothes look like crap anyway.
As an aside, I'd be interested to see how people who replied in the coaching fitness thread had a similar view on dress codes (for both teaching, coaching and any other profession). To the point, do those that feel being over-weight is a non-issue have the same thoughts on wearing a tie and khakis, having facial hair, clean hair cuts ect. ect.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 8, 2011 12:30:43 GMT -6
As an aside, I'd be interested to see how people who replied in the coaching fitness thread had a similar view on dress codes (for both teaching, coaching and any other profession). To the point, do those that feel being over-weight is a non-issue have the same thoughts on wearing a tie and khakis, having facial hair, clean hair cuts ect. ect. I was interested in the same thing. But, I have yet to meet an over-weight coach who was anal about dress codes and what not. But, the laid back HC I described is well over fifty years old but he played LB in college and honestly looks like he could still play the game.
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