63razor
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Post by 63razor on Dec 14, 2010 13:38:08 GMT -6
Going to talk with someone this week about this position at another school. Anybody got some ideas about what this position means or what it means at your school? From a smaller school so our HC has done it all unless not present and that was not to often.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 14, 2010 13:42:17 GMT -6
It means whatever they want it to mean. Just depends on how they set up the program.
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63razor
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Post by 63razor on Dec 14, 2010 13:44:06 GMT -6
What roles would you give an asst head coach?
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 14, 2010 13:50:10 GMT -6
Usually the Asst. HC is either the OC or DC. If your not either you mine as well be the HC's errand boy.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 14, 2010 13:50:52 GMT -6
You've already filled one of your roles by asking WHAT your role will entail.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 14:13:18 GMT -6
Usually the Asst. HC is either the OC or DC. If your not either you mine as well be the HC's errand boy. I agree it would make sense that the Assistant Head Coach be either the OC or DC. I also imagine this position would be someone the Head Coach could delegate some of their duties to in preparation for a head coaching position of their own. I do not agree, however, that if you are not one of those positions that you are the HC's errand boy. If you take pride in coaching your position group as well as you possibly can, that is certainly not being an errand boy.
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Post by coachwoodall on Dec 14, 2010 14:19:57 GMT -6
When I was the AHC, I basically did what I would have normally done without the title. Not to sound cynical, but I suspect it was a paper title b/c the HC was the new guy and I had applied and for various reason didn't get the job. We had a lot of turnover and he had no wiggle room to replace anyone who didn't coach, but stayed in the school building.
Basically I was the 'trasition coordinator'. He used me as a sounding board and I helped him understand the culture of the school/community.
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Post by blb on Dec 14, 2010 14:27:31 GMT -6
Frankly I have never heard of or had an "Assistant Head Coach" at HS level.
But most everything Pros and Colleges do, good or bad, eventually filters down to HS level.
As much as possible, I would like all of us to work together, not for the head coach. However, someone must make decisions and be ultimately responsible.
All of our coaches have collateral, or off the field, duties. If someone thinks they're above doing them, that they make them an "errand boy", they can coach elsewhere.
This is not just a 3-5 PM and Friday nights for few months, blow a whistle and call plays job.
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Post by phantom on Dec 14, 2010 14:34:42 GMT -6
If it means more money, great. If it looks good on the resume when you're looking for a HC job, even better. Otherwise, who knows?
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 14:44:41 GMT -6
Frankly I have never heard of or had an "Assistant Head Coach" at HS level. As much as possible I would like to have us all work together, not for the head coach. However, someone must make decisions and be ultimately responsible. But most everything Pros and Colleges do, good or bad, eventually filters down to HS level. I'm with you Coach..."work with" NOT "work for". But you're right, someone has to have the final say and be responsible for it...that's the Head Coach. You're right also, about everything the Pros and Colleges do, good or bad, eventually filtering it's way down to the high school level. Some things are appropriate to have filter down to the high school level and some not. The Assistant Head Coach concept is one that I believe could stay at those levels as far as I'm concerned. If you cannot distinctly define the responsibilities of the position, then chances are it doesn't need to exist. The Pros and Colleges are really big on titles and the high school staffs I've been a part of were not. They've been more concerned with responsibility and helping young men accomplish their goals regardless of titles. All of our coaches have collateral, or off the field, duties. If someone thinks they're above doing them, that they make them an "errand boy", they can coach elsewhere. This is not just a 3-5 PM and Friday nights for few months, blow a whistle and call plays job. Now that's what I call "dropping the hammer." Boom!!! Case closed. I love it Coach.
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Post by blb on Dec 14, 2010 14:54:45 GMT -6
My impression is that everybody in NFL or CFB wants a title, whether it gets them more money or helps with getting a head job.
And head coaches are afraid to promote one guy over another for fear of losing the latter.
That's why there are "Assistant Head Coaches" and "Co-Coordinators" now.
Nobody is happy just to be a Coach anymore.
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Post by superpower on Dec 14, 2010 15:07:36 GMT -6
I agree with blb!
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Post by lochness on Dec 14, 2010 20:23:16 GMT -6
Actually,
Amazingly (and nothing I'd advertise), I was actually given the title of Assistant HC this season. The HC and AD agreed upon it. Essentially, besides being the OC and coaching an O and D position, it's basically just like being a "first officer" in terms of the chain-of-command.
If the head coach is unavailable for a practice or portion of practice, I would be in charge or running practice (happened once or twice this season). If for some unknown reason, the HC was unavailable for a game (suspension, family emergency, had to leave with an injured kid), I would take responsibility for running the team.
That's really it. I DID get more $$$, but it's more of a chain-of-command / delegation of authority thing.
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 14, 2010 20:23:59 GMT -6
I dunno, I kinda see it as OC or DC with more autonomy and a few of the 'unpleasant' tasks that the HC wants to delegate. I'm sure it's a nice hat to wear if you're serious about your advancement, but not sure how necessary it is at the HS level.
That said, if our HC wanted to name me AHC, I'd be in favor of it. He's going to holler at me either way, at least with one there's a title that's a bit fancier.
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Post by coachweav88 on Dec 14, 2010 20:27:35 GMT -6
Assistant Head Coach or Assistant TO THE Head Coach?
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 21:21:10 GMT -6
Actually, Amazingly (and nothing I'd advertise), I was actually given the title of Assistant HC this season. The HC and AD agreed upon it. Essentially, besides being the OC and coaching an O and D position, it's basically just like being a "first officer" in terms of the chain-of-command. If the head coach is unavailable for a practice or portion of practice, I would be in charge or running practice (happened once or twice this season). If for some unknown reason, the HC was unavailable for a game (suspension, family emergency, had to leave with an injured kid), I would take responsibility for running the team. That's really it. I DID get more $$$, but it's more of a chain-of-command / delegation of authority thing. I can somewhat understand the chain-of-command bit. If I'm reading this right though, other than that, there was no other change except for more money for you. Is that correct? Is having an AHC absolutely vital to the program? Was this a suggestion you made? Or did it come from the HC and AD?
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 21:23:22 GMT -6
My impression is that everybody in NFL or CFB wants a title, whether it gets them more money or helps with getting a head job. And head coaches are afraid to promote one guy over another for fear of losing the latter. That's why there are "Assistant Head Coaches" and "Co-Coordinators" now. Nobody is happy just to be a Coach anymore. Why is this happening? Is it purely an ego thing or what?
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 21:25:51 GMT -6
Assistant Head Coach or Assistant TO THE Head Coach? LOL!!! ;D
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 21:28:38 GMT -6
That said, if our HC wanted to name me AHC, I'd be in favor of it. He's going to holler at me either way, at least with one there's a title that's a bit fancier. Is your header going to yell "hey...Assistant Head Coach (name)" in order to get your attention?
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Post by lochness on Dec 14, 2010 21:38:47 GMT -6
Actually, Amazingly (and nothing I'd advertise), I was actually given the title of Assistant HC this season. The HC and AD agreed upon it. Essentially, besides being the OC and coaching an O and D position, it's basically just like being a "first officer" in terms of the chain-of-command. If the head coach is unavailable for a practice or portion of practice, I would be in charge or running practice (happened once or twice this season). If for some unknown reason, the HC was unavailable for a game (suspension, family emergency, had to leave with an injured kid), I would take responsibility for running the team. That's really it. I DID get more $$$, but it's more of a chain-of-command / delegation of authority thing. I can somewhat understand the chain-of-command bit. If I'm reading this right though, other than that, there was no other change except for more money for you. Is that correct? Is having an AHC absolutely vital to the program? Was this a suggestion you made? Or did it come from the HC and AD? I demanded it, or I would have taken my Anniahilator offense and gone home. No, it wasn't anything I ever suggested or even knew was an option. They simply asked if I would be willing to do it and outlined to me the responsibilities I've shared above. It's not like I got a frigging business card and an announcement in the local paper. Is it "absolutely vital?" No, but then again neither is my left ball. That doesn't mean I'm better off without it though. Does it help everyone understand the pecking order? I guess so. Why the big deal?
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Post by 63razor on Dec 14, 2010 21:40:02 GMT -6
The EGO thing makes the most since - maybe for him but not me...all I want to do is coach. Knowing that he already has a DC and OC and wants to add coaches this may be the ole bait and switch.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 22:10:38 GMT -6
I can somewhat understand the chain-of-command bit. If I'm reading this right though, other than that, there was no other change except for more money for you. Is that correct? Is having an AHC absolutely vital to the program? Was this a suggestion you made? Or did it come from the HC and AD? I demanded it, or I would have taken my Anniahilator offense and gone home. No, it wasn't anything I ever suggested or even knew was an option. They simply asked if I would be willing to do it and outlined to me the responsibilities I've shared above. It's not like I got a frigging business card and an announcement in the local paper. Is it "absolutely vital?" No, but then again neither is my left ball. That doesn't mean I'm better off without it though. Does it help everyone understand the pecking order? I guess so. Why the big deal? Come on loch, nobody...and I mean nobody in their right mind would let you leave and take your "Annihilator" offense with you. It would slap them silly. We all know that. I'm not trying to make a big deal here at all. Just wondering...is a hierarchy or "pecking order" necessary? I could see the most serious of circumstances for the HC (suspension, family emergency, leaving with an injured kid) warranting someone else being in charge. These are not situations that are just now popping up for HCs. They've been dealing with these issues for years. Why now is the position of the Assistant Head Coach becoming prevalent? Now you didn't make the suggestion in your situation. But I'm sure there have been coaches that have. Why? The only explanation I have is ego across the board and a new generation of coaches concerned entirely too much with titles and less about responsibility. I feel confident speaking on behalf of the entire forum when I say nobody wants to hear about any body parts you've determined are not absolutely vital...gross!
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Post by mariner42 on Dec 14, 2010 22:15:36 GMT -6
Is your header going to yell "hey...Assistant Head Coach (name)" in order to get your attention? Heh, the more likely exchange: "GET THE **** OUT OF MY WAY! GOD**** WORST ASSISTANT HEAD COACH I'VE EVER HAD!" "Coach, I'm the first AHC you've had..." (I'm snarky as hell...) "AND AFTER TONIGHT, THE LAST!" But really, he's a sweet man. When his grandson is within 15 feet. I think Loch's example is probably the most logical and certainly most reasonable use of the title.
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Post by davishfc on Dec 14, 2010 22:19:39 GMT -6
"GET THE **** OUT OF MY WAY! GOD**** WORST ASSISTANT HEAD COACH I'VE EVER HAD!""Coach, I'm the first AHC you've had..." (I'm snarky as hell...)". Hilarious exchange ;D You sound like you've rehearsed this in your mind a few times. Well at least you're prepared Coach. Hopefully his grandson is around more often.
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Post by lochness on Dec 15, 2010 7:45:37 GMT -6
I demanded it, or I would have taken my Anniahilator offense and gone home. No, it wasn't anything I ever suggested or even knew was an option. They simply asked if I would be willing to do it and outlined to me the responsibilities I've shared above. It's not like I got a frigging business card and an announcement in the local paper. Is it "absolutely vital?" No, but then again neither is my left ball. That doesn't mean I'm better off without it though. Does it help everyone understand the pecking order? I guess so. Why the big deal? Come on loch, nobody...and I mean nobody in their right mind would let you leave and take your "Annihilator" offense with you. It would slap them silly. We all know that. I'm not trying to make a big deal here at all. Just wondering...is a hierarchy or "pecking order" necessary? I could see the most serious of circumstances for the HC (suspension, family emergency, leaving with an injured kid) warranting someone else being in charge. These are not situations that are just now popping up for HCs. They've been dealing with these issues for years. Why now is the position of the Assistant Head Coach becoming prevalent? Now you didn't make the suggestion in your situation. But I'm sure there have been coaches that have. Why? The only explanation I have is ego across the board and a new generation of coaches concerned entirely too much with titles and less about responsibility. I feel confident speaking on behalf of the entire forum when I say nobody wants to hear about any body parts you've determined are not absolutely vital...gross! I also think that they may have wanted to "incentivize" me. I am not a teacher in the school, so it's harder for me to coach (in theory) and I end up sacrificing vacation time and even base salary / career opportunity to continue. I think, in a way, they just wanted to "do something nice." I know it sounds goofy, but that's the only other logical reason I can come up with. It's funny, because I'd pay THEM to coach, even if my role was coaching the wing protectors on the extra point team! If that was my role, I'd demand to be called "Senior Executive Vice President of Coaching PAT Wings," because it would make me feel important...!
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Post by spos21ram on Dec 15, 2010 7:59:41 GMT -6
The EGO thing makes the most since - maybe for him but not me...all I want to do is coach. Knowing that he already has a DC and OC and wants to add coaches this may be the ole bait and switch. As the High School level if you're not going to be the OC or DC then I have no idea what the job description of the Asst. HC would be. So would you be above the OC and DC in the chain of command or like someone mentioned earlier, would you be the Asst. TO THE head coach which means you are pretty much lowest on the totem pole.
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Post by 63razor on Dec 15, 2010 8:32:55 GMT -6
The EGO thing makes the most since - maybe for him but not me...all I want to do is coach. Knowing that he already has a DC and OC and wants to add coaches this may be the ole bait and switch. As the High School level if you're not going to be the OC or DC then I have no idea what the job description of the Asst. HC would be. So would you be above the OC and DC in the chain of command or like someone mentioned earlier, would you be the Asst. TO THE head coach which means you are pretty much lowest on the totem pole. Heck I don't know what it means and sounds like a BS title which is why I was asking for others thoughts on it...I was thinking the Asst Head Coach would be the guy to go get Coach's Coffee and turn his shower on for him so the water would be hot. I may ask if the Senior Executive Wing Coach Title is open and let you know Lochness although this may cut me out of Asst Head Coach.
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Post by blb on Dec 15, 2010 8:53:15 GMT -6
When I've finally had enough of being the big cheese, I want the title and responsibility of being Assistant Second String Freshman Left Guard Coach.
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Post by dx51173 on Dec 15, 2010 8:56:35 GMT -6
For the past 2 years I have served as the assistant Head Coach during games mostly as our head coach was also the OC and wanted to be in the booth for a better view. I serve as the d-line and special teams coach. It was a natural fit as the QB coach could handle the offense while on the sideline and and the same for the DC. I was always with both during the game to call for punt or return, thus it was easy for me to help relay the HC instructions/info to both as well as to officials as needed. I have previously been a HC so that also played into the Asst HC title.
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Post by dx51173 on Dec 15, 2010 8:59:51 GMT -6
I had asked for tight ends coach in our spread offense- didn't get it !!
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