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Post by nichols101 on Nov 26, 2010 0:41:13 GMT -6
Hey I am a DC for a junior football program. This year our team ended up winning finished the year 6-2 great year and a great group of players on both sides of the ball. So this is my story i played football for 8 years growing up through minor football all the way up to senior ball in high school i wasn't the greatest linebacker but i knew the game and i didn't get that much respect as a player cuz i was not the top athlete. So i got asked to coach minor football my team dominted and we won the championship then i got asked to caoch defense at a high school and we did ok we won every game except 2 and it was against the same team and i didn't get that much respect from him because I am a 21 year old high school coach and he is a legend sure i had some players that were athletes but his team was unstoppable having a 7-0 record up to the championship game. but i came out on top because i shut his offense down with my knowledge and the hours i put in the prior 2 weeks preparing for that battle after i won the championship i got no respect at all because of how young i was and tha tthing im here to ask is. IS THAT RIGHT?. i've studied the game inside out im not a legend at any means but i know enough in preparing and game film and practicing and then putting it all together come game dayi just think i deserved more respect after that game i've dominated every level i've coached at the past 3 years in being a defensive coach
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Post by nichols101 on Nov 26, 2010 2:23:19 GMT -6
Does anyone have any comments?
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 26, 2010 5:43:08 GMT -6
I'm a little confused on your post. If I understand correctly you are 21 years old and have coached some underlevel teams for a while. Now you want to be part of the varsity program and the HC told you no. Is this accurate?
Why did he tell you no?
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Post by julien on Nov 26, 2010 5:49:46 GMT -6
A few comments and please don't take any offense: 1. What do you mean exactly by i didn't get that much respect ? I assume "Him"/"the legend" is the HC of your program, right? What did he do or don't do to you that make you so upset? 2. If you are coaching in order to earn respect, you are not on the right track kid. Just my 2cents.
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Post by seagull73 on Nov 26, 2010 7:54:12 GMT -6
I'm a little confused too but here's my take:
Coaching is filled with ups and downs. You may have had your ups early but trust me your downs are coming no matter how good you are. I was a head coach at a young age (27) and didn't get much respect nor did I deserve it. I believe I am a well respected coach now because I have 7 years of HC behind me with a pretty good record and some county, region, & a state championship. That being said when a guy who has been coaching 20+ years speaks I shut up and listen regardless of his success.
You can't bypass paying your dues. A little success is just that a little success. Coach football because you love it not to get respect.
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Post by phantom on Nov 26, 2010 8:02:30 GMT -6
OK, I'll bite. Please take this as it's intended- as constructive criticism:
If you want to be taken seriously don't post rambling, error-filled messages late at night then compound it by wondering an hour and a half later why nobody has answered. I don't usually approve of the Spelling/Grammar Police but it has to be mentioned when it pertains to a post like this.
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Post by larrymoe on Nov 26, 2010 8:03:43 GMT -6
Does anyone have any comments? Punctuation and complete sentences are your friend.
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Post by wingtol on Nov 26, 2010 8:23:33 GMT -6
If your post is any indication of how you represent yourself to the rest of the staff maybe you have answered your own question right there.
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Post by phantom on Nov 26, 2010 8:28:20 GMT -6
Hey I am a DC for a junior football program. This year our team ended up winning finished the year 6-2 great year and a great group of players on both sides of the ball. So this is my story i played football for 8 years growing up through minor football all the way up to senior ball in high school i wasn't the greatest linebacker but i knew the game and i didn't get that much respect as a player cuz i was not the top athlete. So i got asked to coach minor football my team dominted and we won the championship then i got asked to caoch defense at a high school and we did ok we won every game except 2 and it was against the same team and i didn't get that much respect from him because I am a 21 year old high school coach and he is a legend sure i had some players that were athletes but his team was unstoppable having a 7-0 record up to the championship game. but i came out on top because i shut his offense down with my knowledge and the hours i put in the prior 2 weeks preparing for that battle after i won the championship i got no respect at all because of how young i was and tha tthing im here to ask is. IS THAT RIGHT?. i've studied the game inside out im not a legend at any means but i know enough in preparing and game film and practicing and then putting it all together come game dayi just think i deserved more respect after that game i've dominated every level i've coached at the past 3 years in being a defensive coach Coach, given the time and tone of the post I suspect Typing While Impaired. I've done it myself. A lot of us have. If you want-given the fact that this is a public forum open to everyone (including The Legend)- I'll delete the thread so that you can fashion a more suitable message.
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Post by lochness on Nov 26, 2010 8:32:59 GMT -6
Hey I am a DC for a junior football program. This year our team ended up winning finished the year 6-2 great year and a great group of players on both sides of the ball. So this is my story i played football for 8 years growing up through minor football all the way up to senior ball in high school i wasn't the greatest linebacker but i knew the game and i didn't get that much respect as a player cuz i was not the top athlete. So i got asked to coach minor football my team dominted and we won the championship then i got asked to caoch defense at a high school and we did ok we won every game except 2 and it was against the same team and i didn't get that much respect from him because I am a 21 year old high school coach and he is a legend sure i had some players that were athletes but his team was unstoppable having a 7-0 record up to the championship game. but i came out on top because i shut his offense down with my knowledge and the hours i put in the prior 2 weeks preparing for that battle after i won the championship i got no respect at all because of how young i was and tha tthing im here to ask is. IS THAT RIGHT?. i've studied the game inside out im not a legend at any means but i know enough in preparing and game film and practicing and then putting it all together come game dayi just think i deserved more respect after that game i've dominated every level i've coached at the past 3 years in being a defensive coach Coach, given the time and tone of the post I suspect Typing While Impaired. I've done it myself. A lot of us have. If you want-given the fact that this is a public forum open to everyone (including The Legend)- I'll delete the thread so that you can fashion a more suitable message. Please do.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 26, 2010 8:42:06 GMT -6
Lets wait until he replies before deleting. I, like the rest of you are a little confused as well and and would like some clarification so we can give some better advice/insight.
Couple things that are confusing: Who is "the legend"? Almost sounds like you are talking about the opposing coach and not your head coach. And also, what do you mean about not getting respect? What are they saying, doing, lack their of, etc that makes you think this. And what in your opinion is receiving proper respect?
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Post by Coach.A on Nov 26, 2010 8:44:45 GMT -6
i came out on top because i shut his offense down with my knowledge and the hours i put in the prior 2 weeks preparing for that battle after i won the championship i deserved more respect after that game i've dominated every level i've coached at the past 3 years in being a defensive coach Too much "i", not enough we. When you win it's because of your players. When you lose you take the blame. Learn to be humble and give credit to you players, parents, admin, fans, and other coaches...once you start doing that I think you will start to earn some respect.
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Post by cc on Nov 26, 2010 9:53:23 GMT -6
Your 21. Most coaches were still playing ball then. So yeah it does work against you a bit. Also, 3 years of coaching is not that much. You have to put in your time. Work your way up, prove yourself (just like in most business). Sometimes you will have to bite your tongue. "Maket the Big Time where you are." People will see your work and quality over time and by networking politely you will get your chance eventually. But yeah it's an Old Boys network at times.
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 26, 2010 10:07:03 GMT -6
lack of respect may be related to comments such as these... i came out on top because i shut his offense down with my knowledge. i've dominated every level i've coached at
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 26, 2010 10:30:57 GMT -6
Coach, given the time and tone of the post I suspect Typing While Impaired. I've done it myself. A lot of us have. If you want-given the fact that this is a public forum open to everyone (including The Legend)- I'll delete the thread so that you can fashion a more suitable message. Or perhaps he is not from the USA.
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Post by rpetrie on Nov 26, 2010 10:32:04 GMT -6
It's all about the "I" factor...
I have a young man on staff this year. 23 years old..lot's of football knowledge, actually played for me, played full-scholarship 1-AA football (5 years), father was a great assistant coach...to a legend in our area, former professional player...and also helped out on our staff during his son's playing years. Enthusiastic and wants to contribute...but is overly vocal about moving up...NOW. Doesn't take criticism well and has shown difficulty in working withing the constuct of staff hierarchy. A little bit of the entitlement issue I believe...point is movement can't happen at this point because of current staff structure. Also...doesn't know how to communicate well enough to be on varsity staff. I'm loyal to who is loyal to me...continue to work and he will earn his shot. SO...he is running our weight room and being a great influence with our kids during the offseason. We will include him and input during our offseason meetings and see what he brings to the table. Again though HE'S 23...and doesn't even have a teaching job in the district...is working as a permanent sub. Don't know where he will even be next year? Too many questions on his status at this point...but he's heading in the right direction.
My point is that there are way too many factors involved besides wins/losses and what you appear to know about X's & O's. Most know their schemes...perhaps it is how you teach them and communicate. What boundaries are you setting between you and players? What parental interactions do you have and how would you handle them. Remember you represent the HC at every moment and perhaps he's not sold on your ability to represent him as a 21 year old. THE BEST scenario is to do the little things, continue to learn the game...be a scout, do the dirty work and develop a philosophy to apply when your time comes. You're never as good as you think you are...always work to get better.
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Post by phantom on Nov 26, 2010 11:04:06 GMT -6
Coach, given the time and tone of the post I suspect Typing While Impaired. I've done it myself. A lot of us have. If you want-given the fact that this is a public forum open to everyone (including The Legend)- I'll delete the thread so that you can fashion a more suitable message. Or perhaps he is not from the USA. I thought about that especially given some of the terminology that sounds off for US HS ball ("minors" for example) and the unusual record (6-2). I also considered that English may not be his language. I also don't want to run the guy off. I know how easy it is for a young guy to get impatient. Maybe he can use a reality check or maybe he just wants the post to go away.
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 26, 2010 13:16:48 GMT -6
God dammit. I had a nicely worded response typed up and the browser ate it. Here's the short version:
I'm 25, which is pretty young in the this game/profession/hobby, and I've been doing this for 6 seasons. What makes me (and you) good for the program I'm in will also at times make me bad for the program I'm in. It's important that I have the right people around me or I turn into mini-Rex Ryan (with less profanity). But those same people need me to bring what they can't so that we complement one another.
Slow down, check your ego at the door. It's never as bad as it seems, it's never as good as it seems.
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Post by nichols101 on Nov 26, 2010 14:37:08 GMT -6
Reading what everyone said really smartened me up and I apologize. Their was alot of "I's" in that horrific paragraph and i Would first like to say that i don't have an ego and nor have I ever. I always put my players first, there the main reason why we are on this site am I right? If we didn't have them we would not be coaching. What I was trying to say was my team won the championship and I wasn't even given the time of day by the opposing coach. He shook my hand for briefly and took off without even saying a word and i just wanted your guys input was that proper of him. YES he has a billion years coaching over me and he thought that game was going to be a cake walk because he killed us in regular season play. The main thing i'm asking is do you think thats fair to me on the hard work my players and coaching staff did during the year to earn such a low congrats
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Post by brophy on Nov 26, 2010 14:45:08 GMT -6
my team won the championship and I wasn't even given the time of day by the opposing coach. F him. Who cares what he thinks so long as your team showed up, amirite?
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Post by nichols101 on Nov 26, 2010 14:48:13 GMT -6
YES sir
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Post by coachcb on Nov 26, 2010 14:54:52 GMT -6
You really aren't respected in any profession unless you can learn to keep your trap shut, do your job to the best of your ability, accept criticism, and to only pipe up if you have something well thought out and productive to say.
And, I learned this lesson early on in my career.
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Post by spos21ram on Nov 26, 2010 14:57:17 GMT -6
I don't really know what you expected from him. Some coaches just arn't the type to just stand around and talk to the opposing coach unless they have a history and are friends. The most I would have expected from the opposing coach seeing he is a veteran would be a quick word of advice or something. I really wouldn't expect anything more than "you guys played hard today, it was a great game by your players". But I wouldn't be all up in arms about a hand shake and a "good game" or "good luck" the rest of the way.
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Post by bluedevil4 on Nov 26, 2010 15:03:38 GMT -6
I have only been coaching for three years. I have coached 7th and 8th grade. Next year, I will be coaching the freshmen team at my high school. The past two years, we have gone 10-1 (the first years was a debockle of scrimmages and cancelled games). Semms succesful, but it is just a middle school record, which I'll probably forget in about five years. I understand how you feel when you say you aren't respected, but here's my perspective:
I am 20 years old. I know I coach with guys who have been coaching before I was born. I have coached with the guys that coached me when I was playing. The lack of respect comes naturally, because most of the coaches still look at me as a player, and talk to me as one. It is also a little harder for the players to be respectful, because we are so close in age, that there is no difference in our social life (we like the same things, follow the same pop culture, know the same people/friends, etc.). There are also those parents who complain that there kids aren't playing enough or aren't the star. A few of those parents have complained to our AD that I was not qualified and that I didn't know how to coach. I can see how it would be hard for a community to see a college kid as a respectable coach, but it's just something I gotta deal with.
Here's the positive note though... While I don't feel as respected as I want too, I know I am qualified, and so do the coaches and players. I know that over time, this will change. Each year has gotten easier and the reward has been greater in terms of respect as well as success.
I LOVE THIS GAME! That is the main drive. I love the game too much to care about how other people think or view me. I know how good or how bad of a job I am doing. The respect will come over time, and I just need to be patient for that. Right now I am going to do all that I can.
Think of this also, you are 21 and you are already a DC (I am an OC at 20, and I also teach OLB's and DB's as well as kickers). If the coaches are giving you that job, they must respect you and be confident in you right?
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Post by nichols101 on Nov 26, 2010 15:05:05 GMT -6
I guess I should of said that I played Linebacker for that Coach the previous 3 years
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Post by Coach Huey on Nov 26, 2010 15:09:33 GMT -6
so the coach didn't really speak to you much at the post-game handshake? they just lost - don't read anything into it .... they lost, he's upset, and you are an assistant coach on the other team. he simply was going through the motions of hand-shaking each of the assistants. he may have had more words to say to your head coach but you are one of several assistants and he was just going through a process in auto-pilot. and, again, he's still upset he lost so likely more focused on that.
if it were a month after the season and you ran into the guy and he was still being that way, then maybe you could be on to something. but, immediately after the game? don't sweat it....
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Post by nichols101 on Nov 26, 2010 15:13:24 GMT -6
alright thank you coach this is an amazing site by the way, i've been looking around for forums for quite sometime and finally found somehting that I can better myself with because I am so young and there is a world of oppurtunities for myself and coaching staff to get better
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Post by calkayne on Nov 26, 2010 15:36:00 GMT -6
I guess I should of said that I played Linebacker for that Coach the previous 3 years Not according to your first post: I dont get it, even if you played for that Coach 6 years ago, expecting a HC to spend time with you seems extremely egotistical to me. Especially if your are comparing the effort you put it. If anyone should be patting you on your back that should be your own Coaching Peers. The workload belongs to the job. Respect comes later, built a positive reputation first.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 26, 2010 15:50:00 GMT -6
Reading what everyone said really smartened me up and I apologize. Their was alot of "I's" in that horrific paragraph and i Would first like to say that i don't have an ego and nor have I ever. I always put my players first, there the main reason why we are on this site am I right? If we didn't have them we would not be coaching. What I was trying to say was my team won the championship and I wasn't even given the time of day by the opposing coach. He shook my hand for briefly and took off without even saying a word and i just wanted your guys input was that proper of him. YES he has a billion years coaching over me and he thought that game was going to be a cake walk because he killed us in regular season play. The main thing i'm asking is do you think thats fair to me on the hard work my players and coaching staff did during the year to earn such a low congrats I nteresting topic, but who cares what he thnks. Seems like there are bigger fish to fry.
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Post by blb on Nov 26, 2010 15:50:42 GMT -6
If you got into coaching for any reason other than serving those whom you work with (the kids) - you got into it for the wrong reason(s).
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